ARC170 comes to x-wing...

By Gottmituns205, in Star Wars: Armada

From a realistic point of view we should also remember that the rebellion is largely driven by ideology, not salary. They are fanatics, so the expenses a fighter might create will only come down in terms of supplies or items which the rebellion cannot generate on its own, or in terms of opportunity costs. Other costs for maintenance etc. might be disregardable as your workforce largely works for free.

Opportunity costs are irrelevant as long as your fighter rooster has not reached a size where your fighters outnumber your pilots. Till that point, you will be happy about any fly-able spacetrailer with onbolted blasters which you can get, as it increases your fighting value.

FFG should ask Disney to create more ships in their movies so we have new material to work with...

What do you think the re-shoots on "Rogue One" are for? ;)

Also, to be honest it is more of a practical problem. When 1-3 were created they wanted to show new ships/worlds/weapons, so invariably 4-6 will be devoid of most of those ships because of movie chronology. Lucas often enjoyed the creative styling over continuity.

I would think the Rebels would take something like an old ARC-170 and retrofit it to reduce crew size. When you're taking on swarms of TIE Fighters, it doesn't make sense to put three people into a single craft. You'd rather have three people in three fighters to even the numbers up a little bit. So replacing crew area with extra fuel, power supplies or shield generators, and maybe adding in an astromech, would make perfect sense. Kind of how pirates used to take smaller vessels and cut a bunch of holes in the hull to shove in more cannons, because they couldn't build/steal ships big enough to fight naval vessels, or intimidate the really big merchant ships.

I've always wondered why the Rebels didn't use more clone war stuff. If you consider it, any insurgent force has to fight with what it can get its hands on. Clone war era equipment reconditioned in whatever quantity should seems like a natural fit.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rebel_One

Legends, yes, but it's a possibility.

I'll be surprised if Rebels using Clone Wars era ships does not make it into the new canon. It's not like you can keep picking up Nebulon-Bs from Imperial shipyards whenever you please.

The Tarkin Novel also had a providence that had been scrapped together by a rebel cell along with droid fighters used to attack a base. I do not remember the details but I do know that at least 1 rebel cell used a Providence at least once in Canon.

  • Slow - so's a B-Wing
  • Three-crew - certainly not the Rebelion's perfect general purpose solution, but a situational concern
  • Shieling - also a positive
  • X-Wing - doesn't have all the same capabilities. The ARC is tougher, can take crew, has a rear gun, and from the sounds of it may handle better at lower speeds

So You just gave me a thought. Rebel Arc 170 squadrons.

Escort

Counter 1

4 Blue dice anti-squadron

1 Black Dice anti-Ship

5 Hull points

Speed 2.

Not a great squadron but a perfect escort for B-Wings

When you compare it to the Escort, Counter, 3 Blue / 1 blue of the YT-1300 for 13pts... This thing is probably more expensive than a B-Wing, but not by much...

When you compare it to the Escort, Counter, 3 Blue / 1 blue of the YT-1300 for 13pts... This thing is probably more expensive than a B-Wing, but not by much...

Your right it probably is a little too close to the YT-1300.

I was going for something slow but tough. With a tail gunner I thought counter would make sense. It would need escort to be useful.

FFG should ask Disney to create more ships in their movies so we have new material to work with...

What do you think the re-shoots on "Rogue One" are for? ;)

From the rumors to add a fan favorite character and to tone down the more intense scenes. Apparently the film has/had a D-day like scene and a scene where Vader just mowed down tons of Rebels like something out of a slasher. But those are rumors too...so you know they could be full of BS anyways.

FFG should ask Disney to create more ships in their movies so we have new material to work with...

What do you think the re-shoots on "Rogue One" are for? ;)

From the rumors to add a fan favorite character and to tone down the more intense scenes. Apparently the film has/had a D-day like scene and a scene where Vader just mowed down tons of Rebels like something out of a slasher. But those are rumors too...so you know they could be full of BS anyways.

No, no. Rumors on the internet are always true. I read it on a Facebook post someone's grandmother shared.

FFG should ask Disney to create more ships in their movies so we have new material to work with...

What do you think the re-shoots on "Rogue One" are for? ;)

From the rumors to add a fan favorite character and to tone down the more intense scenes. Apparently the film has/had a D-day like scene and a scene where Vader just mowed down tons of Rebels like something out of a slasher. But those are rumors too...so you know they could be full of BS anyways.

Those scenes sound awesome. They really need to stop putting so many Americans in their test screening audiences, if that causes the need for re-filming.

FFG should ask Disney to create more ships in their movies so we have new material to work with...

What do you think the re-shoots on "Rogue One" are for? ;)

From the rumors to add a fan favorite character and to tone down the more intense scenes. Apparently the film has/had a D-day like scene and a scene where Vader just mowed down tons of Rebels like something out of a slasher. But those are rumors too...so you know they could be full of BS anyways.

Those scenes sound awesome. They really need to stop putting so many Americans in their test screening audiences, if that causes the need for re-filming.

From the rumors I read about the film was made as a very real war movie, with an ending you might expect a crew of people trying to get a desperate message to the Tantive IV as best they could with the might of the Empire against them, and the so claimed Vader scene where apparently it was night and the rebels were trading rumor about some Imperial space wizard boogyman, just before Vader showed up and goes all Jason on them. For the reshoots they wanted to have the film have more of a Star Wars like feel to it rather than being a film set in the Star Wars universe. But again this is all just rumors so it could be just what some fans have dreamed up and been spreading around with the news of the reshoots, we will only know how the film turns out come December and regardless I'm eagerly looking forward to it.

A few things about the rumors:

1: No test audiences have seen the film. Test footage of all scenes was shown to CEO level people and they askedfor reshoots. This is actually extremely common and similar things happened to TFA.

2: The script was almost entirely rewritten during shooting, and scenes at the start of filming and at the end were for tonally very different movies with similar plots. This is also common.

3: The only thing actually confirmed to anyone is that the film didn't have a sense of fun or adventure, and with the ending officially acknowledged as being "ten minutes before the start of A New Hope" that lead to a jarring disconnect between the two films. The new reshoots are an effort to bridge that feeling.

4: The film was never going to go beyond PG13. It sounds like they may be trying to reduce the bleakness from the level of The Dark Knight to The Winter Soldier.

5: It's a movie about soldiers stealing the Death Star plans ending bare minutes before A New Hope directed specifically by the guy who made Black Hawk Down. This is not going to be a feel good movie no matter how many reshoots are ordered.

A few things about the rumors:

1: No test audiences have seen the film. Test footage of all scenes was shown to CEO level people and they askedfor reshoots. This is actually extremely common and similar things happened to TFA.

2: The script was almost entirely rewritten during shooting, and scenes at the start of filming and at the end were for tonally very different movies with similar plots. This is also common.

3: The only thing actually confirmed to anyone is that the film didn't have a sense of fun or adventure, and with the ending officially acknowledged as being "ten minutes before the start of A New Hope" that lead to a jarring disconnect between the two films. The new reshoots are an effort to bridge that feeling.

4: The film was never going to go beyond PG13. It sounds like they may be trying to reduce the bleakness from the level of The Dark Knight to The Winter Soldier.

5: It's a movie about soldiers stealing the Death Star plans ending bare minutes before A New Hope directed specifically by the guy who made Black Hawk Down. This is not going to be a feel good movie no matter how many reshoots are ordered.

I hope you're right about 5. Most people's favourite Star Wars film is the least jolly one.

A few things about the rumors:

1: No test audiences have seen the film. Test footage of all scenes was shown to CEO level people and they askedfor reshoots. This is actually extremely common and similar things happened to TFA.

2: The script was almost entirely rewritten during shooting, and scenes at the start of filming and at the end were for tonally very different movies with similar plots. This is also common.

3: The only thing actually confirmed to anyone is that the film didn't have a sense of fun or adventure, and with the ending officially acknowledged as being "ten minutes before the start of A New Hope" that lead to a jarring disconnect between the two films. The new reshoots are an effort to bridge that feeling.

4: The film was never going to go beyond PG13. It sounds like they may be trying to reduce the bleakness from the level of The Dark Knight to The Winter Soldier.

5: It's a movie about soldiers stealing the Death Star plans ending bare minutes before A New Hope directed specifically by the guy who made Black Hawk Down. This is not going to be a feel good movie no matter how many reshoots are ordered.

All good points.

For my sake, I wouldn't mind a dark Black-Hawk-Down Star Wars movie, but I do think that Disney is justified in wanting to keep it PG-13 (if not G) in order to harness the post-millennial generation (do they have a name yet?). Star Wars is supposed to cross the generations, and not leave the post-millennials scarred (even if it might be good for them from a tough-love perspective).

*Looks at the original topic.*

How did we get on this tangent?

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A few things about the rumors:

1: No test audiences have seen the film. Test footage of all scenes was shown to CEO level people and they askedfor reshoots. This is actually extremely common and similar things happened to TFA.

2: The script was almost entirely rewritten during shooting, and scenes at the start of filming and at the end were for tonally very different movies with similar plots. This is also common.

3: The only thing actually confirmed to anyone is that the film didn't have a sense of fun or adventure, and with the ending officially acknowledged as being "ten minutes before the start of A New Hope" that lead to a jarring disconnect between the two films. The new reshoots are an effort to bridge that feeling.

4: The film was never going to go beyond PG13. It sounds like they may be trying to reduce the bleakness from the level of The Dark Knight to The Winter Soldier.

5: It's a movie about soldiers stealing the Death Star plans ending bare minutes before A New Hope directed specifically by the guy who made Black Hawk Down. This is not going to be a feel good movie no matter how many reshoots are ordered.

All good points.

For my sake, I wouldn't mind a dark Black-Hawk-Down Star Wars movie, but I do think that Disney is justified in wanting to keep it PG-13 (if not G) in order to harness the post-millennial generation (do they have a name yet?). Star Wars is supposed to cross the generations, and not leave the post-millennials scarred (even if it might be good for them from a tough-love perspective).

*Looks at the original topic.*

How did we get on this tangent?

Someone mentioning adding more ships for the game via the films, with someone cheekily pointing out the fact that Rogue One was having reshoots.

A few things about the rumors:

1: No test audiences have seen the film. Test footage of all scenes was shown to CEO level people and they askedfor reshoots. This is actually extremely common and similar things happened to TFA.

2: The script was almost entirely rewritten during shooting, and scenes at the start of filming and at the end were for tonally very different movies with similar plots. This is also common.

3: The only thing actually confirmed to anyone is that the film didn't have a sense of fun or adventure, and with the ending officially acknowledged as being "ten minutes before the start of A New Hope" that lead to a jarring disconnect between the two films. The new reshoots are an effort to bridge that feeling.

4: The film was never going to go beyond PG13. It sounds like they may be trying to reduce the bleakness from the level of The Dark Knight to The Winter Soldier.

5: It's a movie about soldiers stealing the Death Star plans ending bare minutes before A New Hope directed specifically by the guy who made Black Hawk Down. This is not going to be a feel good movie no matter how many reshoots are ordered.

All good points.

For my sake, I wouldn't mind a dark Black-Hawk-Down Star Wars movie, but I do think that Disney is justified in wanting to keep it PG-13 (if not G) in order to harness the post-millennial generation (do they have a name yet?). Star Wars is supposed to cross the generations, and not leave the post-millennials scarred (even if it might be good for them from a tough-love perspective).

*Looks at the original topic.*

How did we get on this tangent?

Someone mentioning adding more ships for the game via the films, with someone cheekily pointing out the fact that Rogue One was having reshoots.

Ah, I see.

Just throw in some Gungans, Ewoks, and droids saying "roger, roger," and it will be back to normal.

Maybe also a super precocious child, to interact with all of the above.

Just throw in some Gungans, Ewoks, and droids saying "roger, roger," and it will be back to normal.

Maybe also a super precocious child, to interact with all of the above.

Whoopee!!!