We're talking about 15 years of separation from her parents.

So? I've seen parents reunited with kids that they've been separated for longer and were younger and they still knew who they were.

Quite simply if Rey is Han and Leia's daughter you have a plot hole so large you could drive a SSD though it. It will quite honestly be enough to make me seriously consider walking out.

IMO, she is related to Leia. She is Leia's father. Rey is born unto the force much like Anakin, thus Anakin and Rey are basically the same person.

And yet, even when Leia is reminiscing about Ben away training with Luke during Bloodline, there is no mention of some long lost daughter she gave up.

As if they would allow a book to further the story in such a way. That's reserved for the movies.

And once again, Rian Johnson, director of Episode VIII, had input into Bloodlines.

SO what? Lying to the audience to keep the mystery box for the movie is en vogue. They still would not reveal something like this in a silly expanded universe book.

Also the child actor and adult actor playing as Ray dont really look alike. I am not going to pretend they do. There lots of people that dont look like themselves when compared to their younger self.

You're all wrong. Rey is another Midichondrial spawning of the force (virgin birth) just like Aniakin Skywalker was. The connection/spark both Luke and Leia had were the fact they were both force-wielders that recognized someone totally in tuned with the force, just like their father was.

.Quite simply if Rey is Han and Leia's daughter you have a plot hole so large you could drive a SSD though it. It will quite honestly be enough to make me seriously consider walking out.

About as large a plot hole as Han being completely estranged from Leia in a period of only a few years, going back to smuggling as the only thing he knew while he was a successful racing coach and Leia going back to leading a resistance due to the fall and their separation instead of the rise of the First Order?

Bloodline is not the best book, canon wise, though I do like it. I think that the 'everything is canon' stance will come back to bite them if they publish stories about characters and periods that still need to be addressed by the movies.

But we will see next year who was right. .

About as large a plot hole as Han being completely estranged from Leia in a period of only a few years

There's nothing about this that's even remotely far fetched, it actually happens quite often when a child is lost.

Well...Darth Vader didn't know he had a son and a daughter, right?

He wasn't there when they were born, he may not of even known she was pregnant at all, let alone that there were twins. This is a completely different thing then someone giving birth and having that child with them for 12 or so years.

I guess I just took it for granted that Luke was Rey's father. -shrug- Oh, well. I guess I'll just be extra surprised when the real truth is revealed.

About as large a plot hole as Han being completely estranged from Leia in a period of only a few years

There's nothing about this that's even remotely far fetched, it actually happens quite often when a child is lost.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess. I'm obviously not going to convince you, in fact, you come across rather aggravated that someone even dares to suggest it, and that is not my intention.

And you are not going to convince me either, to me it makes too much sense. Storywise in a traditional sense, as an adaptation of the Jacen/Jaina story out of Legends with Anakin being merged with Jaina and from what I pick up out of the movie (the parrallel of her abandoned on Jakku, and coincidentally with the same being who also took possession of the Millennium Falcon?). I'm not convinced she is Luke's, as then they'll need to introduce and remove a love interest for him as part of a movie storyline (you can't leave her parentage out of the movie after all) and there's too much of current stuff to focus on to give that the attention it deserves, and her being a random Forcewielder, a Force-baby or the child of some other Jedi seems unlikely.

So come next year, if you're right I will gladly say I was wrong. .

About as large a plot hole as Han being completely estranged from Leia in a period of only a few years

There's nothing about this that's even remotely far fetched, it actually happens quite often when a child is lost.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess. I'm obviously not going to convince you, in fact, you come across rather aggravated that someone even dares to suggest it, and that is not my intention.

And you are not going to convince me either, to me it makes too much sense. Storywise in a traditional sense, as an adaptation of the Jacen/Jaina story out of Legends with Anakin being merged with Jaina and from what I pick up out of the movie (the parrallel of her abandoned on Jakku, and coincidentally with the same being who also took possession of the Millennium Falcon?). I'm not convinced she is Luke's, as then they'll need to introduce and remove a love interest for him as part of a movie storyline (you can't leave her parentage out of the movie after all) and there's too much of current stuff to focus on to give that the attention it deserves, and her being a random Forcewielder, a Force-baby or the child of some other Jedi seems unlikely.

So come next year, if you're right I will gladly say I was wrong. .

That makes sense, but I'm not sure about the whole "love interest" aspect. In the original trilogy, Luke's mom was only mentioned once, I think (Luke asked Leia about her mother and says he didn't remember his), and it'd be rather easy to just have a scene of Luke talking about his wife and then her getting killed, kind of like how Obi-Wan talked about Luke's father before the big reveal.

I'm not saying they can't do it. Only it makes no sense that Han wouldn't recognize her. The idea that she's young to be recognized as an adult is simply preposterous unless Han had almost no contact with her prior to her being left on Jakku, as in she was removed from them when she was an infant and he never saw her again.

But he knew who Ben was even though he would of been part of Luke's academy, so he was involved in his son's life. Depending on how you look at the force vision Rey had, she may of been there when the Knights of Ren killed everyone. So her family would of had some contact with her until least then. There are very few plausible reasons why Han wouldn't know who Rey was when he saw her. She would have to have been removed from his life somewhere before she was even two or three years old for that to make sense.

From a story point of view, having a love interest for Luke who was also killed when the Knights of Ren attacked makes a great deal of sense. Having a love interest and his daughter killed would be the perfect reason for him to go into seclusion.

The thing about making sense in Star Wars (or really any fantasy/Sci-Fi) is that it doesn't need to. I'm sure we can all name dozens of situations (just from the original trilogy) where doing certain things you can do with the Force would have made things a lot easier...BUT they also would have ended the movie or ruined the story, so the characters didn't use the Force.

Three examples from each movie that makes no sense in the world of Force:

Episode IV: Why does Obi-Wan even need to bring his light saber out in the Cantina? Even if the Jedi-mind trick doesn't work on those two, then just take the blaster from him using the Force or literally suspend him and his friend in the air because...well...you can. Obi-wan, however, needed to use the light saber to introduce the weapon and also to show a silent respect for the old ways. Nobody even thinks about joining in the bar fight once a light saber comes out. Cinematically, using the Force here would not move the plot like it needed to be moved.

Episode V: Why does Yoda have to fall when Luke is training? He's been a Jedi Master for CENTURIES. Oh, Luke lost focus? I'll just float to the ground, thank you. But, if Yoda just keeps floating to the ground, then whiny Luke doesn't start to feel bad about screwing up his training. What we see there is a preview of the later conflict between Luke and Yoda (and Obi-wan) about how rushing into things will potentially do more harm than good. Again, cinema, not Force.

Episode VI: Why does Luke need to chase people on speeder bikes? Just force push them away from the troopers (or force push the troopers). Or better yet, make the "weak minded" storm troopers decide they don't need to report back to base." He needed to chase them for cinematic reasons, not for making sense.

Literally dozens of other instances exist (for example, why doesn't Darth Vader just Force grab Luke instead of letting him fall after cutting off his hand?). Anything can make sense in Science Fiction or Fantasy, especially in the combination of the two. Han doesn't remember his daughter at all? Sure, maybe Luke wiped everyone's memory. Why, because cinema! These are movies, so we'll all come close to figuring out Rey's parentage if we just look at what makes the best cinematic reveal. I think the Luke argument is too obvious (but then again, these aren't movies that are really breaking any ground save for special effects...maybe), but that doesn't mean that the Solo argument is off the table.

If you wanted to make a movie that got everyone talking about it (because that's how you make money), and you have an element in the story-world called "the Force" that can pretty much do anything or absolutely nothing (dependent on what needs to happen plot-wise), then ANYTHING is possible and ANYTHING makes sense.

Would I not recognize my daughter after however many years? No. Of course I would. But I am a real person and my daughter is real person. I am not a character in a science fiction film with an omnipotent thing that just does what it needs to do when it needs to do it so the story can continue. This happens all the time in sci-fi/fantasy literature as well, which is why the literary community tends to look down at authors in that genre as hacks or whatever. Oops, I wrote myself into a corner...hmmm...I know! Magic! or Technology! or Alien Powers!

What really doesn't make sense is saying that things in Science Fiction don't make sense. Do we need to start with why things are making sounds in space? I'll agree that there is no possible way that Rey can be a Solo when I get answers to the first one hundred thousand logical and scientific fallacies in Star Wars.

What really doesn't make sense is saying that things in Science Fiction don't make sense.

I take it you're unfamiliar with internal consistency.

I'm not saying they can't do it. Only it makes no sense that Han wouldn't recognize her. The idea that she's young to be recognized as an adult is simply preposterous unless Han had almost no contact with her prior to her being left on Jakku, as in she was removed from them when she was an infant and he never saw her again.

I think that is exactly what happened, I think she was aboard the Falcon when it got stolen and she and the ship were left with Unkar Plutt (that is him holding her, as you can surely tell). She is what, all of four?

Why is it so impossible that if you think someone is dead or gone at an infants age you will instantly recognize them 15 years later? You might begin to hope, possibly, but know, instantly?

But he knew who Ben was even though he would of been part of Luke's academy, so he was involved in his son's life. Depending on how you look at the force vision Rey had, she may of been there when the Knights of Ren killed everyone.

Of course he knew who Ben was, he was in irregular contact with his parents even while with Luke. But Rey was 4 when she was left on Jakku, while the slaughter by the Knights of Ren was at the earliest 5 years before the movie (Bloodline starting 6 years prior), when Kylo was in his early twenties. It is impossible for her to have been present.

The thing about making sense in Star Wars (or really any fantasy/Sci-Fi) is that it doesn't need to. I'm sure we can all name dozens of situations (just from the original trilogy) where doing certain things you can do with the Force would have made things a lot easier...BUT they also would have ended the movie or ruined the story, so the characters didn't use the Force.

While I agree with your main point - cinematic storytelling trumps in-universe physics, you also need to remember that in the original trilogy, the force was not that powerful. It mostly provided guidance and foresight, with even the most powerful users only enable create much more mundane physical effects than seen in the EU and prequels.

Yoda, most powerful force dude, can slowly lift the xwing. He can't fly, or force leap. Vader can throw 100kg bits of metal a few meters, but can't levitate his opponent or even force-push him.

Even the dreaded emperor can only create lightning which takes minutes to kill.

All the superpowers came much later than 1983.

The thing about making sense in Star Wars (or really any fantasy/Sci-Fi) is that it doesn't need to. I'm sure we can all name dozens of situations (just from the original trilogy) where doing certain things you can do with the Force would have made things a lot easier...BUT they also would have ended the movie or ruined the story, so the characters didn't use the Force.

While I agree with your main point - cinematic storytelling trumps in-universe physics, you also need to remember that in the original trilogy, the force was not that powerful. It mostly provided guidance and foresight, with even the most powerful users only enable create much more mundane physical effects than seen in the EU and prequels.

Yoda, most powerful force dude, can slowly lift the xwing. He can't fly, or force leap. Vader can throw 100kg bits of metal a few meters, but can't levitate his opponent or even force-push him.

Even the dreaded emperor can only create lightning which takes minutes to kill.

All the superpowers came much later than 1983.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. To be brief, Rey could be anyone's daughter in the universe and when you have a cinematic tool like the Force, it can always be explained even if it doesn't make sense based on previous scenes in previous movies.

You're all wrong. Rey is another Midichondrial spawning of the force (virgin birth) just like Aniakin Skywalker was. The connection/spark both Luke and Leia had were the fact they were both force-wielders that recognized someone totally in tuned with the force, just like their father was.

Maybe, however i saw the "leaked script" that has that plot point in it, its definitely fake since Frank Oz is in it.

The thing about making sense in Star Wars (or really any fantasy/Sci-Fi) is that it doesn't need to. I'm sure we can all name dozens of situations (just from the original trilogy) where doing certain things you can do with the Force would have made things a lot easier...BUT they also would have ended the movie or ruined the story, so the characters didn't use the Force.

Three examples from each movie that makes no sense in the world of Force:

Episode IV: Why does Obi-Wan even need to bring his light saber out in the Cantina? Even if the Jedi-mind trick doesn't work on those two, then just take the blaster from him using the Force or literally suspend him and his friend in the air because...well...you can.

Suspending them in the air wouldn't help since one has a gun.

Obi-wan, however, needed to use the light saber to introduce the weapon and also to show a silent respect for the old ways. Nobody even thinks about joining in the bar fight once a light saber comes out. Cinematically, using the Force here would not move the plot like it needed to be moved.

Out of universe yes. In universe he may have chosen to permanently damage the guy so he would be less of a threat. I suppose killing him would be breaking jedi code since he really isnt that much of a danger in the grand scheme of things.

Episode V: Why does Yoda have to fall when Luke is training? He's been a Jedi Master for CENTURIES. Oh, Luke lost focus? I'll just float to the ground, thank you. But, if Yoda just keeps floating to the ground, then whiny Luke doesn't start to feel bad about screwing up his training. What we see there is a preview of the later conflict between Luke and Yoda (and Obi-wan) about how rushing into things will potentially do more harm than good. Again, cinema, not Force.

In universe they were linked in the force i believe.

Episode VI: Why does Luke need to chase people on speeder bikes? Just force push them away from the troopers (or force push the troopers). Or better yet, make the "weak minded" storm troopers decide they don't need to report back to base." He needed to chase them for cinematic reasons, not for making sense.

In universe hes not shown being able to force push, hence picking up the skull and throwing it at the big red button in the Rancor pit. He can force kick though... his most powerful abilities at this time are force stealth and force cloak.

Literally dozens of other instances exist (for example, why doesn't Darth Vader just Force grab Luke instead of letting him fall after cutting off his hand?).

This is the easiest one to explain in universe. He had just given Luke an ultimatum. Join him or die. He made this clear when he cut his hand off and warned him not to make him destroy Luke. Luke had two options he could make at this point. What do think Vader would have been left with as a response if Luke had said no to joining him but had not tried to commit suicide? Vader said earlier to his master "he will join us or die." Not "he will join us or... be captured and forced to figure out the hidden messages and their meanings in the movies 2001 and 2010 in their original Klingon format. Then we will ask him to join us again. If he says no, he will be forced to work at hooters, alone and with no pay."

Anything can make sense in Science Fiction or Fantasy, especially in the combination of the two. Han doesn't remember his daughter at all? Sure, maybe Luke wiped everyone's memory. Why, because cinema! These are movies, so we'll all come close to figuring out Rey's parentage if we just look at what makes the best cinematic reveal. I think the Luke argument is too obvious (but then again, these aren't movies that are really breaking any ground save for special effects...maybe), but that doesn't mean that the Solo argument is off the table.

She could be a Solo, im 80%sure shes not Lukes because she doesnt look a thing like Mara, although she has tbe accent, wbich is the only reason why i cant be 100% sure shes not his.

I do think theirs a good chance she is Galens and Junos daughter, on account she does look alot like them, has the right eye cool to be related to them, has Junos accent, has similar scenes as Galens.

What really doesn't make sense is saying that things in Science Fiction

The thing about making sense in Star Wars (or really any fantasy/Sci-Fi) is that it doesn't need to. I'm sure we can all name dozens of situations (just from the original trilogy) where doing certain things you can do with the Force would have made things a lot easier...BUT they also would have ended the movie or ruined the story, so the characters didn't use the Force.

While I agree with your main point - cinematic storytelling trumps in-universe physics, you also need to remember that in the original trilogy, the force was not that powerful. It mostly provided guidance and foresight, with even the most powerful users only enable create much more mundane physical effects than seen in the EU and prequels.

Yoda, most powerful force dude, can slowly lift the xwing. He can't fly, or force leap. Vader can throw 100kg bits of metal a few meters, but can't levitate his opponent or even force-push him.

Even the dreaded emperor can only create lightning which takes minutes to kill.

All the superpowers came much later than 1983.

The force was always all powerful, if it had limits yoda wouldn't be lecturing luke for limiting himself by being "realistic" in the capabilities of the force, force powers hes using.

Ray Bridger i think she is

About as large a plot hole as Han being completely estranged from Leia in a period of only a few years, going back to smuggling as the only thing he knew while he was a successful racing coach and Leia going back to leading a resistance due to the fall and their separation instead of the rise of the First Order?

Bloodline is not the best book, canon wise, though I do like it. I think that the 'everything is canon' stance will come back to bite them if they publish stories about characters and periods that still need to be addressed by the movies.

But we will see next year who was right. .

Most of the issues I had with Bloodlines stemmed from what seemed like a need to fit a pre-determined endpoint into a structure that couldn't quite contain it. For instance: the politics in that book were even more unrealistic than the physics typical to the Star Wars universe.

I think any storyteller was going to have a problem with the story constraints Claudia Gray was given, and she did a perfectly serviceable job.

I think Rey is the daughter of:

dun dun duuuuuuun

somebody from somewhere who has no major relevance to anyone or anything

Hope I'm wrong.

But The Force Awakens was so hyped that it wasn't as BIG as the hype. Which is why, despite enjoying the movie, I'm not offended by people who hated it. Perhaps they would've loved the movie were it not for the barrage of hyped up awesomeness.

That's why I believe we're getting all this excitement and hype and wow about Rey only to find out

her parents are two people we've never heard of and are completely unimportant.

But I want to be wrong.

I want to quibble a tiny bit.

We may never have heard of Rey's parents, but! Whoever they are, they left Rey on Jakku deliberately. That abandonment is central to Rey's sense of identity, Knowing who left her and why is going to be important to her regardless of how we the audience react.

Rey isn't a Solo.

I'll never understand how anyone could think she's a solo, unless she's like their niece or something, and Han's bother Lan was the father...Because I simply can not accept that someone wouldn't recognize their own child even if they hadn't seen them for 10 or so years. I mean if they were separated when the child was an infant sure, but that isn't what happened.So there's no way Han wouldn't of known who she was, if she wasn't his daughter.

That was a rather young girl that got left behind. Chewie likes her, she's instantly at home on the Falcon and Han was definitely feeling paternal. And then there's the Rey/Leia connection at the end.

Bloodline makes a point of mentioning how much Han and Leia have instinctively been mentoring a lot of the youngsters they come across, as a way to deal with their parental impulses while Ben is being raised by Luke.

The fact that she is super competent and clearly looking for a place to belong would send that impulse into overdrive.

While I appreciate the "in universe" explanations, that was not my point. My point was to say that it is cinematically possible for anything to be possible. The Force acts as the story dictates (hence all the other Force powers in the prequels). So, if the Force needed to erase all memory of Han's daughter for the story to work as the writers intend, then that is a Force power that exists in the sequels. Most of those questions were rhetorical, but I did get a little carried away.

The Force could do exactly what it could do in the original trilogy. Because that's what Lucas needed it to do. I'm pretty sure he didn't think that the force would need to have jumpy twirly fighting powers in the past for the future prequels.

I suppose the easiest way to say it is this: "What do the writers need the Force to be able to do for their intentions with the plot and cinematic reveal?" In this case, the Force is, indeed, all powerful.

Has anybody surmised she is related to Obi Wan?

And... Luke in Episode VI was not a full Jedi Knight. His training was not that of Jedia if he old republic. But yes, the force was stronger in the old republic apparently.

Has anybody surmised she is related to Obi Wan?

Yes.