So I had this come up against Ginkapo but does using Slicer Tools let you see the dial to adjust it?

I think it does so, it has the same wording as Comm Noise.

I think k it does so center it has the same wording as Commander Noise.

Does so center?

Commander noise?

Mobile phones change our splling to all sorts of cravy.

You may choose a new command on its top command dial. Now, how would you change it's command without being given the dial to begin with?

Mobile phones change our splling to all sorts of cravy.

There we go, all fixed.

It says choose a new command. you look at dials when setting commands, I dunno how you can argue, you do not get to see the command dial.

The effect reveals the dial, you set a new command.

There we go, all fixed.

And I haven't Found anything for or against It, however I would say yes you can look though.

No you can't look through, that seems to imply to me that you want to look at command 2/3 on the stack. You get the top command, I hand it to you and you change it and then hand it back.

No you can't look through, that seems to imply to me that you want to look at command 2/3 on the stack. You get the top command, I hand it to you and you change it and then hand it back.

So I had this come up against Ginkapo but does using Slicer Tools let you see the dial to adjust it?

I think it does so, it has the same wording as Comm Noise.

You mean, as in you get to see the original command before the dial is set to the new one? As opposed to your opponent just setting a new?

• I assume I can pick up my opponents top dial and look at it.

just to point out.... RRG, Command Dials, 4th bullet point

A player can look at his ships’ facedown command dials at any time. When a player looks at a ship’s command dials, he must preserve the order in which the command dials are stacked

So yes as soon as you've set the opponents dial they can check what you've set it to

So I had this come up against Ginkapo but does using Slicer Tools let you see the dial to adjust it?

I think it does so, it has the same wording as Comm Noise.

You mean, as in you get to see the original command before the dial is set to the new one? As opposed to your opponent just setting a new?

Well, remember that the top dial is not the one that was already used (if the ship has activated) it is the highest unused dial on the stack.

So I had this come up against Ginkapo but does using Slicer Tools let you see the dial to adjust it?

I think it does so, it has the same wording as Comm Noise.

You mean, as in you get to see the original command before the dial is set to the new one? As opposed to your opponent just setting a new?

Well, remember that the top dial is not the one that was already used (if the ship has activated) it is the highest unused dial on the stack.

Of course. If you're on vassal, just have him reveal it, set it, and then conceal it.

Sort of academic, isn't it? How much does knowing what he had previously set effect your decision?

Sort of academic, isn't it? How much does knowing what he had previously set effect your decision?

I thought the same thing initially, but I can certainly imagine situations where it would matter.

Example: I used to run AF2 carrier fleets with excess activation capacity so that I could rotate the squadron commands through my ships, keeping my opponent from being able to predict which one(s) would be commanding squadrons and which would have navs. Knowing whether you nuked his squadron activation for the turn would certainly be helpful in combating something like that.

.... That's what Isard is for.

Because its a gamble, not knowing beforehand.... So Mitigate that, like you do everything else you don't like...

.... That's what Isard is for.

Because its a gamble, not knowing beforehand.... So Mitigate that, like you do everything else you don't like...

You're not wrong, but the question was not "how can I get to see the other guy's command dials?", it was "why does it matter whether we can see a command dial before changing it?"

Well, to be honest... I feel I dismissed answering the original question on two grounds:

1) It was already handled ably.

2) I firmly believe that, in order to change a dial, you need to pick it up, turn it over, and look at it, in order to know *where* to change the dial to. Since you change it. You don't get your opponent to change it for you... If you choose to leave it on what appears to be an incorrectly set dial in the first place (let's face it, we all do it), then so be it.

Technically, i could pick it up and spin it as I hand it over. Set whatever you want.

I dont like people knowing what my plans were. In both cases in our game, Lyraeus chose to set the same command as was already at the top (without being able to see my dials).

(Incidentally this kinda shows how powerful slicer tools are.....)

Technically, i could pick it up and spin it as I hand it over. Set whatever you want.

Then technically, you would be cheating, as you would be "Setting a Dial" outside of the Rules allowance of setting a dial during the command phase, without some other game rule effect to let you do it.

Technically, i could pick it up and spin it as I hand it over.

Ehhh... that would constitute changing your command dials outside of the command phase.

I dont like people knowing what my plans were.

That's really not relevant to the discussion, though. I mean, I don't like people shooting at my ships, but that doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not they're allowed to.

I've not seen a rules reference that answers this, but it seems to me that looking at the dial is pretty intrinsic to setting it Remember, the rules are written for the physical game, not Vassal--the technical ability to do this on Vassal should be disregarded for the purpose of the discussion.

I've not seen a rules reference that answers this, but it seems to me that looking at the dial is pretty intrinsic to setting it Remember, the rules are written for the physical game, not Vassal--the technical ability to do this on Vassal should be disregarded for the purpose of the discussion.

I was going to string this together:

LTP, Page 7:

PHASE 1: COMMAND PHASE

During this phase, players secretly and simultaneously use their command dials to choose commands for each of their ships.

When revealed, each command provides that ship with a powerful bonus.

To choose a command, rotate the command dial so that the desired command icon is framed by the dial’s fastener. Then place that command dial facedown next to the ship’s ship card, placing it under any other command dials already assigned to that ship.

Since command dials are placed facedown, each player can secretly plan his strategy and keep his commands hidden from his opponent.

(PREVIOUS) Tournament FAQ:

"The Player cannot mark the command dials in such a way as to make known which command is set."

That line was removed from the current Tournament Rules, when everything got tidied up... So, I would of course recommend to not take that as advice that you totally can do that now , as I feel its against the Spirit, if not against the total letter of the rules.

With that rule in place, you would HAVE to look at the Dial in order to Set it. There's no other way of doing it, because otherwise, you're blindly changing it, and thus, cannot rotate it until the desired one is framed... You're doing so blindly. Even if you do frame any of them with pure luck.

So there's background at least

Technically, i could pick it up and spin it as I hand it over. Set whatever you want.

I dont like people knowing what my plans were. In both cases in our game, Lyraeus chose to set the same command as was already at the top (without being able to see my dials).

(Incidentally this kinda shows how powerful slicer tools are.....)

I had no way of knowing that and you would not show me so I had to take that chance. Either way they were the commands least suited for you (an ISD with Capacitor Failure and Power Failure and no shields - yay Dodonna - and an Insidious I did not want to slow down or get an extra click). The simple fact that Slicer Tools can use its effect while barely in blue range is amazing imho.