So, it's closed?

Waiting for results for the semi-final 4,

(still wondering if it's going to be 8 with uniques)

then some time to upload upgrades that are relevant.

This should say edited at 2:25 AM

It's just 4 ships. For the pilot voting is just voting on uniques for the 4 custom ships that were voted in (and possibly uniques for existing ships as well? Not sure how that part works). No more new custom ships though.

I hope there is a new CCL soon.

The plan from my understanding is for it to be a continuing thing (we vote on the ships/pilots/ugprades, then do a tournament. After the tournament, we go back to voting on new ships/pilots/upgrades to add for the next round, while keeping the ones that are already added).

I'll probably do this sometime on Monday, if ever; the changes are fairly minor

The changes actually cascade. You didn't refresh so you missed the chart I added.

I should have asked this before, but if you are only taking 4 ships from the generics, then are you going to add another 4 ships from the unique pilots, or are you pitting the generics against the unique submissions?

We now have the 4 ships that will be implemented in the eventual vassal extension. The ship entries themselves consist of generic pilots + dial. Those are the base ships that are going into vassal. On top of that, unique pilots for those four ships will be accepted as submissions, and I'm going to reserve 2 unique pilot slots for each of the four custom ships, so they are guaranteed to have some unique pilots.

There won't be any other new ship classes until a hypothetical second season of the CCL.

So, it's closed?

Waiting for results for the semi-final 4,

(still wondering if it's going to be 8 with uniques)

then some time to upload upgrades that are relevant.

This should say edited at 2:25 AM

It's just 4 ships. For the pilot voting is just voting on uniques for the 4 custom ships that were voted in (and possibly uniques for existing ships as well? Not sure how that part works). No more new custom ships though.

I hope there is a new CCL soon.

The plan from my understanding is for it to be a continuing thing (we vote on the ships/pilots/ugprades, then do a tournament. After the tournament, we go back to voting on new ships/pilots/upgrades to add for the next round, while keeping the ones that are already added).

Pilots (both unique and new generics) are being accepted for the new custom ships AND the old official ships. I probably won't accept new pilots for wave 9 stuff because we don't know enough about them.

I think I would probably also allow tweaking of the existing custom ships and cards in a second season, in addition to adding new stuff.

So, it's closed?

Waiting for results for the semi-final 4,

(still wondering if it's going to be 8 with uniques)

then some time to upload upgrades that are relevant.

This should say edited at 2:25 AM

It's just 4 ships. For the pilot voting is just voting on uniques for the 4 custom ships that were voted in (and possibly uniques for existing ships as well? Not sure how that part works). No more new custom ships though.

I hope there is a new CCL soon.

The plan from my understanding is for it to be a continuing thing (we vote on the ships/pilots/ugprades, then do a tournament. After the tournament, we go back to voting on new ships/pilots/upgrades to add for the next round, while keeping the ones that are already added).

I think I would probably also allow tweaking of the existing custom ships and cards, in addition to adding new stuff.

Makes sense. If any of them are over- or under-powered, be able to tweak them to be more balanced

So which 4 ships won?

These 4 ships won:

Assault Gunboat

SoroSuub 3000

V-Wing (mangipan's entry)

TIE Avenger

You probably mistook this in an earlier post for your own chart,

but it is not the same chart.

This is a suggestion, but I don't know how long you are actually holding off?

Also I don't see the point in having submitted unique pilots if they were never going to be voted on.

If your counting the four generics as the only ship types being voted then your own X-wing

submission isn't going to get voted on. Neither is my Scum YT-1300 or Scum VT-49 Decimator

You probably mistook this in an earlier post for your own chart,

but it is not the same chart.

This is a suggestion, but I don't know how long you are actually holding off?

Also I don't see the point in having submitted unique pilots if they were never going to be voted on.

If you counting the four generics as the only ship types being voted then your own X-wing

submission isn't going to get voted on. Neither is my Scum YT-1300 or Scum VT-49 Decimator

Those are custom PILOTS, not custom ships. The question being whether we will be voting on pilots/upgrades for existing ships or just for the custom ones.

Those are custom PILOTS, not custom ships. The question being whether we will be voting on pilots/upgrades for existing ships or just for the custom ones.

Only pilots for ships that will be in the final product will be accepted as submissions, for obvious reasons. Since X-wings are already in vassal, my unique x-wing pilot is guaranteed to be a legal submission, as are many other pilots submitted here, including the Horton Salm card everyone should be voting for (the only card I will be openly endorsing), as well as many others, including cross-factional versions such as your Vuffi Raa card. Since there is a generic version of the YT-1300 in the game, I'm not requiring a new scum generic to allow a unique pilot in the scum faction.

I can only guess that means the next round of voting will include all unique pilots whether they are the custom ships or the custom pilots for existing ships. And so I'm still left wondering are the custom ships going to have a minimum for unique pilots and bump out unique pilots for existing ships or is there going to be 2 unique pilots per custom ship or 32 unique pilots overall.

You probably mistook this in an earlier post for your own chart,

but it is not the same chart.

This is a suggestion, but I don't know how long you are actually holding off?

Also I don't see the point in having submitted unique pilots if they were never going to be voted on.

If your counting the four generics as the only ship types being voted then your own X-wing

submission isn't going to get voted on. Neither is my Scum YT-1300 or Scum VT-49 Decimator

Oh, you're right I didn't notice that the chart was updated. Thanks! I'll swap it out for the original. Thanks a bunch, that's very helpful.

If it hasn't been made clear somewhere already (I feel like I explained this somewhere), custom pilots for existing ships are totally valid submissions and will be voted on in the upcoming vote.

The only cards that were made that will not be accepted as submissions are custom pilots and upgrades specific to custom ships that did not make the cut. So, for example, if I had submitted a unique pilot for my Scimitar Assault Bomber entry, it would not be accepted as a submission because there will not be a Scimitar in the final vassal extension. Same goes for a card that would have the text Scimitar Assault Bomber only. All other custom pilots and upgrades are legal entries, including your decimator and YT-1300 pilots, and my X-wing.

You probably mistook this in an earlier post for your own chart,

but it is not the same chart.

This is a suggestion, but I don't know how long you are actually holding off?

Also I don't see the point in having submitted unique pilots if they were never going to be voted on.

If your counting the four generics as the only ship types being voted then your own X-wing

submission isn't going to get voted on. Neither is my Scum YT-1300 or Scum VT-49 Decimator

Oh, you're right I didn't notice that the chart was updated. Thanks! I'll swap it out for the original. Thanks a bunch, that's very helpful.

If it hasn't been made clear somewhere already (I feel like I explained this somewhere), custom pilots for existing ships are totally valid submissions and will be voted on in the upcoming vote.

The only cards that were made that will not be accepted as submissions are custom pilots and upgrades specific to custom ships that did not make the cut. So, for example, if I had submitted a unique pilot for my Scimitar Assault Bomber entry, it would not be accepted as a submission because there will not be a Scimitar in the final vassal extension. Same goes for a card that would have the text Scimitar Assault Bomber only. All other custom pilots and upgrades are legal entries, including your decimator and YT-1300 pilots, and my X-wing.

@Babaganoosh

That chart was a suggestion, but if you want to take it as is that's fine,

I can only assume then you're okay with that staggering of dates.

@Babaganoosh

You did answer half of my question, which is better then not at all.

I still can't seem to wrap my mind around the total, possibly just because I'm tired.

Probably the best way to ask this is: If there are 4 custom ship,

how many of the 15 unique pilot spots are guaranteed to them?

Eg. 2 each would leave room for 7 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

Eg. 3 each would leave room for 3 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

You did answer half of my question, which is better then not at all.

I still can't seem to wrap my mind around the total, possibly just because I'm tired.

Probably the best way to ask this is: If there are 4 custom ship,

how many of the 15 unique pilot spots are guaranteed to them?

Eg. 2 each would leave room for 7 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

Eg. 3 each would leave room for 3 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

My assumption would be probably 2 uniques per pilot to match a normal expansion, then beyond that the remaining pilots could be for existing ships or new ones, either way

You did answer half of my question, which is better then not at all.

I still can't seem to wrap my mind around the total, possibly just because I'm tired.

Probably the best way to ask this is: If there are 4 custom ship,

how many of the 15 unique pilot spots are guaranteed to them?

Eg. 2 each would leave room for 7 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

Eg. 3 each would leave room for 3 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

My assumption would be probably 2 uniques per pilot to match a normal expansion, then beyond that the remaining pilots could be for existing ships or new ones, either way

I don't know where you're getting normal expansions, I'm noticing it varies a lot,

the first two I checked, one had 6 pilots (3 unique), the other just had 4 unique only...

• The TIE fighter expansion is also 6 and 3.
• The Falcon is 4 and 3.
• Slave 1 is 4 and 3.
• TIE Interceptor 6 and 3
• HWK-290 is 4 and 3
• VT-49 Decimator is 4 and 3
• YT-2400 is 4 and 3
• IG-2000 another 4 unique only
• Hound's Tooth is 5 and 4
• VCX-100 is 4 and 3
• Attack Shuttle is 4 unique only
• Punishing One is 4 and 3
• TIE/fo Fighter is 6 and 3
• Shadow Caster is 4 and 3

You did answer half of my question, which is better then not at all.

I still can't seem to wrap my mind around the total, possibly just because I'm tired.

Probably the best way to ask this is: If there are 4 custom ship,

how many of the 15 unique pilot spots are guaranteed to them?

Eg. 2 each would leave room for 7 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

Eg. 3 each would leave room for 3 unique pilots total from already existing ship types.

My assumption would be probably 2 uniques per pilot to match a normal expansion, then beyond that the remaining pilots could be for existing ships or new ones, either way

I don't know where you're getting normal expansions, I'm noticing it varies a lot,

the first two I checked, one had 6 pilots (3 unique), the other just had 4 unique only...

• The TIE fighter expansion is also 6 and 3.
• The Falcon is 4 and 3.
• Slave 1 is 4 and 3.
• TIE Interceptor 6 and 3
• HWK-290 is 4 and 3
• VT-49 Decimator is 4 and 3
• YT-2400 is 4 and 3
• IG-2000 another 4 unique only
• Hound's Tooth is 5 and 4
• VCX-100 is 4 and 3
• Attack Shuttle is 4 unique only
• Punishing One is 4 and 3
• TIE/fo Fighter is 6 and 3
• Shadow Caster is 4 and 3

Large ships are a separate standard from what I was talking about (though I suppose the sorosuub yacht would be 3 uniques and a generic standard. Someone mentioned that hondo flew one in the clone wars). The standard large ship expansion is 3 named pilots. There's only a few small ship expansions with 6 pilots (the tie fighter, tie interceptor, tie/fo and now the fang fighter). Maybe an argument could be made that the avenger should have 6 pilots and 3 uniques as another tie and similar in some ways to an interceptor or the fang fighter. The ARC-170 and attack shuttle are exceptions where the ships aren't in regular use and are just used by a few specific pilots. The vast majority of small ships are 2 generics and 2 uniques. The hwk is the only one I can think of with 3 named pilots in a small ship (that wasn't 6 pilots).

Either way, if you look at all the small ship expansions, even with the outliers, 4:2 is still the most common and "normal".

2 each. Giving them more guaranteed slots makes it too hard to get a pilot in for other ships. 2 each gives each custom ship enough functionality to be a full-fledged ship in the tournament. They can also get more than two if the pilots get enough votes, but I expect that each custom ship will end up with two unique pilots.

2 each. Giving them more guaranteed slots makes it too hard to get a pilot in for other ships. 2 each gives each custom ship enough functionality to be a full-fledged ship in the tournament. They can also get more than two if the pilots get enough votes, but I expect that each custom ship will end up with two unique pilots.

A hate to be the one to tell you this but I notice that there are 73 votes missing:

The previous chart is sorted by Totals. This one is sorted by Likes.

2 each. Giving them more guaranteed slots makes it too hard to get a pilot in for other ships. 2 each gives each custom ship enough functionality to be a full-fledged ship in the tournament. They can also get more than two if the pilots get enough votes, but I expect that each custom ship will end up with two unique pilots.

A hate to be the one to tell you this but I notice that there are 73 votes missing:

73 votes as in 73 votes for ships, yeah. Looking at the spreadsheet with the individual votes, it's clear that 3 or so voters left a lot of responses blank, which is weird, but whatever. I don't think it affected the voting in any meaningful way.

Checking through the individual votes and looking for recurring patterns, it's pretty clear that there was no bald attempt to tamper with the voting outcome, like with a bunch of smurf accounts for example. Maybe one or two odd-looking votes, but nothing that changed the outcome in any meaningful way. I'm satisfied that the vote reflected the opinions of the respondents reasonably well, which is all that matters.

73 votes as in 73 votes for ships, yeah. Looking at the spreadsheet with the individual votes, it's clear that 3 or so voters left a lot of responses blank, which is weird, but whatever. I don't think it affected the voting in any meaningful way.

I could be wrong but I don't remember it that way.

It wouldn't let me move on to the next question without selecting an answer.

If I remember that correctly then it couldn't just be skipped questions.

Also if you were doing your division by the total 149 instead of their respective totals you got results that were off as well.

73 votes as in 73 votes for ships, yeah. Looking at the spreadsheet with the individual votes, it's clear that 3 or so voters left a lot of responses blank, which is weird, but whatever. I don't think it affected the voting in any meaningful way.

I could be wrong but I don't remember it that way.It wouldn't let me move on to the next question without selecting an answer.If I remember that correctly then it couldn't just be skipped questions.

I know when i went back to edit, one of my responses was blank. Maybe that happened elsewhere as well? Even if you make all the missing votes likes it doesnt change anything. Looks like the next closes (non-DQed) ship would be another vwing (of which we already have a higher voted one) and wouldnt have caught the avenger anyway (adding 4 likes puts it at a net +13)

I'm curious what you think of this sort,

based on the idea that No Opinion isn't as bad as Dislike,

but it isn't positive either.

Whats wrong with no opinion just being neutral? Thats how i was treating it when i voted. And whats TT?

Edit: also, based on the header at least you didnt weight no opinions different from dislikes like you said. ((L-D)-N)/TT is exactly the same as (L-D-N)/TT, ad treats dislikes and no opinions identically

No opinion was an odd option for the voting, but it didn't take away from anything. All of this is fine from what I can see. I hope you can find peace with it.

Whats wrong with no opinion just being neutral? Thats how i was treating it when i voted. And whats TT?

Edit: also, based on the header at least you didnt weight no opinions different from dislikes like you said. ((L-D)-N)/TT is exactly the same as (L-D-N)/TT, ad treats dislikes and no opinions identically

Your two statements contradict each other. You think in the first statement that I wasn't treating No Opinion as neutral.

Then in the second statement you're telling me I the formula doesn't treat No Opinion as neutral, as though you forgot.

TT is the Total of all the votes for the ship, it's the formula here.

What I said was for that sort I wasn't treating No Opinion as positive, implying treatment as negative.

By the way, I think the missing votes for the ARC-170s might have put them in third place.

Which is of course moot now.

The missing votes for the ones above them would have had to have been negative.