No opinion was an odd option for the voting, but it didn't take away from anything. All of this is fine from what I can see. I hope you can find peace with it.

Would people have been happier if itd been called abstain (or just had option not to vote either way on a ship) instead of

No opinion?

Whats wrong with no opinion just being neutral? Thats how i was treating it when i voted. And whats TT?

Edit: also, based on the header at least you didnt weight no opinions different from dislikes like you said. ((L-D)-N)/TT is exactly the same as (L-D-N)/TT, ad treats dislikes and no opinions identically

Your two statements contradict each other. You think in the first statement that I wasn't treating No Opinion as neutral.

Then in the second statement you're telling me I the formula doesn't treat No Opinion as neutral, as though you forgot.

TT is the Total of all the votes for the ship, it's the formula here.

What I said was for that sort I wasn't treating No Opinion as positive, implying treatment as negative.

By the way, I think the missing votes for the ARC-170s might have put them in third place.

Which is of course moot now.

The missing votes for the ones above them would have had to have been negative.

The first statement wasnt about your formula. I asked why you have an issue with treating no opinion as neitral, as you keep trying to suggest different ways to rate the results, when the way babaganoosh did it works just fine and the results have already been announced.

The second statement wasnt about treating no opinion as not neutral. It was about weighting it the same as dislike. Your post talked about rating it with no opinion as bad, but not as bad as dislike. Your formula on the other hand treats it exactly the same as a dislike.

As for an arc making it in with a different ranking system, I specifically talked about non-disqualified ships. Even ignoring that, the arcs wouldnt have made it since my fang fighter beat out both of them. The top 3 wouldnt have changed regardless.

I call this my "Devil's Advocate" sort.

If the top vote getter's missing votes had been negative and the rest of the missing votes positive.

I'm just looking at it from different angles, that's all. I rotate things an look at the different sides.

The first statement wasnt about your formula. I asked why you have an issue with treating no opinion as neitral, as you keep trying to suggest different ways to rate the results, when the way babaganoosh did it works just fine and the results have already been announced.

That's not what he says in this post requesting suggestions.

The second statement wasnt about treating no opinion as not neutral. It was about weighting it the same as dislike. Your post talked about rating it with no opinion as bad, but not as bad as dislike. Your formula on the other hand treats it exactly the same as a dislike.

I did what I said I was going to do, you just misunderstood.

If you thought I meant something else and you want to see it, then post the formula.

As for an arc making it in with a different ranking system, I specifically talked about non-disqualified ships. Even ignoring that, the arcs wouldnt have made it since my fang fighter beat out both of them. The top 3 wouldnt have changed regardless.

That is what i showed in my last sort.

Checking through the individual votes and looking for recurring patterns, it's pretty clear that there was no bald attempt to tamper with the voting outcome, like with a bunch of smurf accounts for example. Maybe one or two odd-looking votes, but nothing that changed the outcome in any meaningful way. I'm satisfied that the vote reflected the opinions of the respondents reasonably well, which is all that matters.

Funny you should mention that, because you can't really know that. Anyone could have made 20 google accounts and swayed the votes. All they had to do is spread them around and you wouldn't see the pattern you're looking for. By the way, did you notice the spreadsheet has 154 vote entries of 33 votes not 149 entries of 33 votes?

I personally don't trust polls that are removed from this forum. I don't see a sufficiently good reason the risk should be taken. I've seen survey's on other sites get hacked. I know it can happen. When I did the survey for the Scum Epic ships the admins of that site had to remove a ridiculous number of votes from one particular IP address that had made all the entries have the same result. If it hadn't been that easy the results would have been invalid.

I know that on this forum all a person can do is like an post, but if you had opened a thread and made 33 blank posts and then transferred over each of the 33 entries to each of those individual posts (just copy and paste 33 times) and left people to like the separate/individual posts, then I believe the like column of the graph would have looked much different. Which would have made for very different final results in the first round.

The first statement wasnt about your formula. I asked why you have an issue with treating no opinion as neitral, as you keep trying to suggest different ways to rate the results, when the way babaganoosh did it works just fine and the results have already been announced.

That's not what he says in this post requesting suggestions.

Not sure what post you're talking about since the url is missing so it just redirects back to this page. If you mean this post, he says the score will be (upvotes - downvotes) / total. You know what that means? No opinion votes are neutral (becuase they're not positive or negative). If you mean the part about taking suggestions, there was plenty of time to do that during the voting process, not after the winners had been announced.

The second statement wasnt about treating no opinion as not neutral. It was about weighting it the same as dislike. Your post talked about rating it with no opinion as bad, but not as bad as dislike. Your formula on the other hand treats it exactly the same as a dislike.

I did what I said I was going to do, you just misunderstood.

If you thought I meant something else and you want to see it, then post the formula.

What you said in the post was:

I'm curious what you think of this sort,

based on the idea that No Opinion isn't as bad as Dislike,

but it isn't positive either.

If No Opinion isn't as bad as dislike, then 1 No != 1 Dislike. It would have to be some smaller negative number. In your chart, 1 No = 1 Dislike. And I don't feel the need for some different formula because I'm perfectly happy with 1 dislike cancelling out 1 like with No Opinions being neutral (abstains).

Checking through the individual votes and looking for recurring patterns, it's pretty clear that there was no bald attempt to tamper with the voting outcome, like with a bunch of smurf accounts for example. Maybe one or two odd-looking votes, but nothing that changed the outcome in any meaningful way. I'm satisfied that the vote reflected the opinions of the respondents reasonably well, which is all that matters.

Funny you should mention that, because you can't really know that. Anyone could have made 20 google accounts and swayed the votes. All they had to do is spread them around and you wouldn't see the pattern you're looking for.

What's to stop someone from making 20 forum counts to do the same thing?

By the way, did you notice the spreadsheet has 154 vote entries of 33 votes not 149 entries of 33 votes?

I personally don't trust polls that are removed from this forum. I don't see a sufficiently good reason the risk should be taken. I've seen survey's on other sites get hacked. I know it can happen.

And 4 of those 154 have all blank results with no votes for any ship, so they hardly change the result. Just means you have to add an extra 1 to each ship's number of missing votes. Still don't think it's gonna change the results.