Just brainstorming ideas for the older X-Wings.
This may look OP but it would make them only slightly better than the T-70's, balanced by the fact that the title is also restrictive.
Title: Rogue Squadron
Your Squadron May ONLY contain Luke Skywalker, Wedge Antilles, Wes Janson, and "Hobbie" Klivian.
Reduce their Point cost by 5 and add +1 to their Pilot skill Value.
Thoughts?
PS: If this is the wrong place for this post please let me know or move it.
I am really wondering about missing sense of some people here for balancing. Your suggestion is MASSIVELY exaggerated
Edited by IG88EWhile the idea is great thematically, it has no room to be used in any other way than that of the 3/4 ship build.
Some other times Rogue squadron has been raised as an Idea is as a title or set of titles.
Eg
*Rogue 1 - Title - X-wing Only, Attaches to Wedge without Cost - Add some Elite Pilot Ability Unique to wedges X-wing like When performing a K-turn you may change it into a 3 Tallon Roll
Rogue Squadron - Title - X wing Only - +1 Pilot skill if there is another Rogue Squadron in your squad, Your action bar gains Barrel Roll.
I would like to see a reversible title card some thing to do with s-foils open or closed don't know exactly what it will do maybe affect range bonus of primary weapon e.g
This would let you set up as a ranged attacker or a close quarters fighter. Wedge getting in close range 1 or Biggs out at range 3.
Just let Rogue Squadron die... I get it, I do. I loved the books, enjoyed the games. But, as the new movie, Rogue One, is seemingly taking the Rogue title, and coupled with the fact that Empire Strikes Back had a group of T-47 Snowspeeders as Rogue GROUP, the new fiction seems to paint the Elite X-wing squad of the movies as only being titled RED squadron.
A Rogue Squad title is NEVER going to happen. Yes, whe have Legends ships in the game, but a ROGUE title that doesn't relate to any canonical film use would confuse fans. Not the hardcore ones, but the less.. Devoted.. Fans.
Nobody cares about Disney and their failure of attempt to reduce everything to paste.
We have all the goodness of EU here, and hopefully we'll keep getting good EU things like Dash&2400
screw mouse.
Edited by WarpmanNobody cares about Disney and their failure of attempt to reduce everything to paste.
We have all the goodness of EU here, and hopefully we'll keep getting good EU things like Dash&2400
screw mouse.
There was a lot of crap in the old EU full of conflicting story lines etc .... e.g Flight Officer Voort saBinring , a Gamorrean male who had been biologically modified to have a greatly enhanced mathematical acumen and piloting abilities naaaaaa the old EU needed a reboot there is lots of cool new stuff popping up in the new canon books
“There’s always truth in legends,” Ahsoka
5 points off Wedge? That's way out of balance. I think the 2 points that it's over costed would be good.
EU things like Dash&2400
screw mouse.
The 2400 is canon from George's re-edit of ANH and then Disney let it into it's canon showing game, and then signed off on it showing up in xwing.
That dirty mouse.
Nobody cares about Disney and their failure of attempt to reduce everything to paste.
We have all the goodness of EU here, and hopefully we'll keep getting good EU things like Dash&2400
screw mouse.
Having read most of the old fiction, some of which I really enjoyed, and the new fiction most of which I have enjoyed immensly, I personally have no problem with what Disney is doing so far.
But, Warpman, I agree. All the old EU was better. I can't wait for a Belforian crew card that I can put in the Sun Crusher. /sarcasm
Honestly, I don't doubt we will still see some old ships from time to time, but with all the new stuff coming out, the people who OWN the property will focus on what is to be seen. As the new movies are designed to bring in new fans, making products they can relate to, as well as the old fans, is a good idea.
Just brainstorming ideas for the older X-Wings.
Title: Rogue Squadron
Your Squadron May ONLY contain Luke Skywalker, Wedge Antilles, Wes Janson, and "Hobbie" Klivian.
Reduce their Point cost by 5 and add +1 to their Pilot skill Value.
I get your thoughts on this. I kinda think you might be (in direction) onto something if FFG creates the assumed "Rebel Veterans" to be the yang to the "Imperial Veterans" yin. However, the reason for "Imperial Verterans" is a cost-correction of the Defender and a much needed polishing of the thematically lauded Bomber.
That said, I also would love to see some type of situational upgrade to the T-65's as I have no love of the T-70's at all in my heart; and yes, you guessed it, I'm not 20 years old. Even if your Point cost reduction is crazy, adding a benefit when certain pilots are fielded as a team is a fantastic idea for the Rebels in the T-65's, even though pilot skill is not one I think fits; I think more of a defensive dice addition when they're in some type of proximity or shared target locks or evades, etc. I applaud that thought starter; well done!
Edited by clanofwolvesI fail to see how that'd increase squad variety.
Just let Rogue Squadron die... I get it, I do. I loved the books, enjoyed the games. But, as the new movie, Rogue One, is seemingly taking the Rogue title, and coupled with the fact that Empire Strikes Back had a group of T-47 Snowspeeders as Rogue GROUP, the new fiction seems to paint the Elite X-wing squad of the movies as only being titled RED squadron.
A Rogue Squad title is NEVER going to happen. Yes, whe have Legends ships in the game, but a ROGUE title that doesn't relate to any canonical film use would confuse fans. Not the hardcore ones, but the less.. Devoted.. Fans.
I totally disagree with this. A movie with "Rogue" in its title is all the more reason to attempt brand synergy with creating a Rogue Squadron expansion. It means nothing in regards to sales if they're referring to a different 'rogue', and we don't know if the movie is wholly separate from the Rogue Squadron.
This game isn't going to lose any appeal from any group of customers if X-Wings get a set of Rogue title. If anything, having the name in the expansion's title still draw in curious customers and increase sales.
Just let Rogue Squadron die... I get it, I do. I loved the books, enjoyed the games. But, as the new movie, Rogue One, is seemingly taking the Rogue title, and coupled with the fact that Empire Strikes Back had a group of T-47 Snowspeeders as Rogue GROUP, the new fiction seems to paint the Elite X-wing squad of the movies as only being titled RED squadron.
A Rogue Squad title is NEVER going to happen. Yes, whe have Legends ships in the game, but a ROGUE title that doesn't relate to any canonical film use would confuse fans. Not the hardcore ones, but the less.. Devoted.. Fans.
I totally disagree with this. A movie with "Rogue" in its title is all the more reason to attempt brand synergy with creating a Rogue Squadron expansion. It means nothing in regards to sales if they're referring to a different 'rogue', and we don't know if the movie is wholly separate from the Rogue Squadron.
This game isn't going to lose any appeal from any group of customers if X-Wings get a set of Rogue title. If anything, having the name in the expansion's title still draw in curious customers and increase sales.
Or they could release a direct movie tie-in instead.
A title card that drops 5 points from pilot cost isn't going to happen.
Maybe drop 2 points, and if two rouge titles are in the squad - they can change one blank to a hit -or- one blank to an evade, If three titles - they can change one blank red and one blank green.
Even rolling it back this much... would probably be too much.
Actually a dual sided Modification for S-Foils is kinda brilliant;
S-Foils (X-Wing, T-70, B-Wing only)
4 points
Side one: Closed - Increase Agility by 1
Side two: Open - Increase Primary Weapon Value by 1
Actually a dual sided Modification for S-Foils is kinda brilliant;
S-Foils (X-Wing, T-70, B-Wing only)
4 points
Side one: Closed - Increase Agility by 1
Side two: Open - Increase Primary Weapon Value by 1
You don't need to specify the T-70 there, it is included in the X-Wing only.
I've always felt in game design that there's no reason to make a complicated card if you can make a simple one instead. I've had this idea in the back of my mind for a while as a Rogue Squadron title.
In reality though, the T-65 'fix' was Integrated Astromech. Which hasn't fixed it at all, but that's the beautiful thing. That one simple card will make every Astromech from now on a potential fix. Without being a blatant in your face fix like the TIE/x1, I completely believe that at some point it will lead to a very playable T-65 (And we're currently seeing 3X builds do quite well in the current meta, which is a huge surprise to me.)
As we see more cheap Astromechs (Because let's face it, beyond a handful of them, Rebel Astromechs are garbage. Particularly when compared to Salvaged Astromechs), we'll see more and more reasons to put T-65s on the table.
I've always felt in game design that there's no reason to make a complicated card if you can make a simple one instead. I've had this idea in the back of my mind for a while as a Rogue Squadron title.
In reality though, the T-65 'fix' was Integrated Astromech. Which hasn't fixed it at all, but that's the beautiful thing. That one simple card will make every Astromech from now on a potential fix. Without being a blatant in your face fix like the TIE/x1, I completely believe that at some point it will lead to a very playable T-65 (And we're currently seeing 3X builds do quite well in the current meta, which is a huge surprise to me.)
As we see more cheap Astromechs (Because let's face it, beyond a handful of them, Rebel Astromechs are garbage. Particularly when compared to Salvaged Astromechs), we'll see more and more reasons to put T-65s on the table.
I feel that droid is too conservitave. You're losing access to stuff like R2 generic or targeting astro to help your jousting action efficency, and Integrated Astromech denies access to Guidance chips. You need at LEAST access to Protons (self modifyng ordinance) and quite possibly another source of mods, if it needs to compete with x7 defenders and VCXs.
I think the Rogue Pilot card would work if it was limited to at range one. I'm not a fan of reducing cost, but if the R5 did something else like allowing the re-roll of Torpedoes attack dice, That could be cool. The card could read something like: If you chose to re-roll attack dice then you must re-roll all dice.
I think the Rogue Pilot card would work if it was limited to at range one.
So you'd have to check range to every ship on the board before any ship moves or fires to make sure you know exactly what PS your Rogues are at?
No. Thank you.
I think the Rogue Pilot card would work if it was limited to at range one.
I can get on board with that; nice! So the squad card raises your pilot skill by one only when in range one of another ship of the same squad, cool. That actually makes since as the comfort level of any pilot is enhanced when they know they have a wingman to which they have great confidence; logic. .....and it's not like players don't use range finders; you can always pass and play your face-card pilot skill.
Edited by clanofwolvesJust let Rogue Squadron die... I get it, I do. I loved the books, enjoyed the games. But, as the new movie, Rogue One, is seemingly taking the Rogue title, and coupled with the fact that Empire Strikes Back had a group of T-47 Snowspeeders as Rogue GROUP, the new fiction seems to paint the Elite X-wing squad of the movies as only being titled RED squadron.
A Rogue Squad title is NEVER going to happen. Yes, whe have Legends ships in the game, but a ROGUE title that doesn't relate to any canonical film use would confuse fans. Not the hardcore ones, but the less.. Devoted.. Fans.
I totally disagree with this. A movie with "Rogue" in its title is all the more reason to attempt brand synergy with creating a Rogue Squadron expansion. It means nothing in regards to sales if they're referring to a different 'rogue', and we don't know if the movie is wholly separate from the Rogue Squadron.
This game isn't going to lose any appeal from any group of customers if X-Wings get a set of Rogue title. If anything, having the name in the expansion's title still draw in curious customers and increase sales.
Or they could release a direct movie tie-in instead.
Just let Rogue Squadron die... I get it, I do. I loved the books, enjoyed the games. But, as the new movie, Rogue One, is seemingly taking the Rogue title, and coupled with the fact that Empire Strikes Back had a group of T-47 Snowspeeders as Rogue GROUP, the new fiction seems to paint the Elite X-wing squad of the movies as only being titled RED squadron.
A Rogue Squad title is NEVER going to happen. Yes, whe have Legends ships in the game, but a ROGUE title that doesn't relate to any canonical film use would confuse fans. Not the hardcore ones, but the less.. Devoted.. Fans.
I totally disagree with this. A movie with "Rogue" in its title is all the more reason to attempt brand synergy with creating a Rogue Squadron expansion. It means nothing in regards to sales if they're referring to a different 'rogue', and we don't know if the movie is wholly separate from the Rogue Squadron.
This game isn't going to lose any appeal from any group of customers if X-Wings get a set of Rogue title. If anything, having the name in the expansion's title still draw in curious customers and increase sales.
Or they could release a direct movie tie-in instead.
Which is more likely, but I wouldn't expect any new Rogue Squadron movie Tie in for x-wing to resemble the rogue squad of old.
Though, the new card game expansion might say otherwise, I still think no on Rogue Squad for x-wing. It FFG's most prevalent game. I admit I could be wrong though.
I feel like the Rogue Squadron X-Wing card should have a PS requirement (Certainly 3, but I would argue 5 since Hobbie needs to be able to get it and Tarn not so much... He was a rogue though) and I would say it should give the X-Wing some post manuever options, say a boost or barrel roll. Sad thing is that leaves out rogues like Ten (he was for a little anyway), Corran, Ibrisam, and Tycho... I don't think I'm forgetting anybody's.. It also would be cool if Rogue Squadron Pilot worked like A-Wing test pilot, but then you would have Push the Limit, Outmanuever Wedges with bb-8 and engines... That sounds kind of obnoxious. The the thing is I don't honestly think the X-Wing needs a massive amount of work, it just needs a little help to be competitive, they question is how do we do that without breaking it...
Just let Rogue Squadron die... I get it, I do. I loved the books, enjoyed the games. But, as the new movie, Rogue One, is seemingly taking the Rogue title, and coupled with the fact that Empire Strikes Back had a group of T-47 Snowspeeders as Rogue GROUP, the new fiction seems to paint the Elite X-wing squad of the movies as only being titled RED squadron.
A Rogue Squad title is NEVER going to happen. Yes, whe have Legends ships in the game, but a ROGUE title that doesn't relate to any canonical film use would confuse fans. Not the hardcore ones, but the less.. Devoted.. Fans.
FFG seems to have other plans
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/5/31/rogue-squadron-reporting-in/