Making Expose work

By Raven19528, in X-Wing Squad Lists

There is a great collection of upgrades you should never ever use. They are just too many to explain. But an honorable mention is Expose. It always seems to make its way into newbie lists.

- It's overcosted. 4 points ties it with the most expensive EPT in the game right now.

- It costs an action. Actions are precious in this game, and taking one to increase your attack power means you can't use your action to modify your dice via focus or target lock, which most times will have the exact same or better result as getting an extra attack die.

- You decrease your evasion. The saying goes, "Never trust green dice," but you shouldn't be trying to take away the ones you have because of it.

In general, the multiple costs of the card make it very hard to justify using it. As a comparison, Predator costs a point less, doesn't cost an action, doesn't cost evasion, and allows you to reroll a die every attack, which often has the exact same or better result as an extra die would.

That's a lot to try to compensate for. So here's my first shot at it:

"Youngster" — TIE Fighter 15

Expose 4

Ship Total: 19

"Howlrunner" — TIE Fighter 18

Ship Total: 18

Scimitar Squadron Pilot — TIE Bomber 16

Fleet Officer 3

Systems Officer 2

TIE Shuttle 0

Ship Total: 21

Black Squadron Pilot — TIE Fighter 14

Adaptability 0

Ship Total: 14

Black Squadron Pilot — TIE Fighter 14

Adaptability 0

Ship Total: 14

Black Squadron Pilot — TIE Fighter 14

Adaptability 0

Ship Total: 14

So this list does a few things to mitigate the multiple costs. First, the point cost is mitigated by using Youngster to give the upgrade to 4 other TIEs. Ends up being a less than 1 point upgrade if you average it out. Second, since you are spending the action to use it, I added the TIE Shuttle with a Fleet Officer and Systems Officer. The Systems Officer and Shuttle are coming out in the Imp Vets pack, but with these two crew members in the squad, you can hand out some focus tokens and target locks to the team, along with Howlrunner helping to maximize the benefit of that extra die. The biggest thing with this is in flying it, you need to be okay with not using Expose on everyone every turn. Use the Shuttle to block when possible and remember when he's in formation, Howlrunner rerolls apply to him as well. I used as high PS as I could afford on the TIEs to hopefully mitigate the very real possibility on an Expose turn that they blow up before they even get a shot off.

Does anyone else have ideas of making Expose work? I know it's one of those EPTs that just always gets passed over for those that are just better upgrades, but I want to see if maybe it could come back into some viability, and not be relegated to the beacon that identifies new players.

Edited by Raven19528

You know I've never actually used expose in a list...

But if I did, it would probably be on a ghost or deci: Somewhere where it doesn't matter about losing the agility.

maybe run experimental interface to get the action economy back, guess maybe Kyle katarn in the crew slot to push the action economy even further since you'll be de-stressing most of the time (or possibly kanan to keep the dial nice and open).

Of course that is a really expensive setup just for an extra dice with some modification.

Don't know how I'd set a deci up, haven't got much experience as imps.

You know I've never actually used expose in a list...

But if I did, it would probably be on a ghost or deci: Somewhere where it doesn't matter about losing the agility.

maybe run experimental interface to get the action economy back, guess maybe Kyle katarn in the crew slot to push the action economy even further since you'll be de-stressing most of the time (or possibly kanan to keep the dial nice and open).

Of course that is a really expensive setup just for an extra dice with some modification.

Don't know how I'd set a deci up, haven't got much experience as imps.

Can't use it on a Ghost, none of the pilots have EPTs.

Decimator is the only remotely sensible use for Expose in the game right now. Specifically, Ysanne Isard/Experimental Interface, probably, to allow you to get a focus or TL AND expose the same round, otherwise Exposing is mathematically worse than just taking a focus action under normal circumstances.

Decimator with Ysanne Issard, EI and Expose is great fun. Evade token, target lock or focus, and an extra attack Dice each turn. Lovely stuff.

I think the Systems Officer is a good idea, although I think Expose also works much better with TIE/fos who can TL on previous turns in preparation for Expose turns. They also have some extra durability.

My Expose list was the following:

"Youngster" — TIE Fighter 15

Expose 4

Ship Total: 19

"Howlrunner" — TIE Fighter 18

Squad Leader 2

Ship Total: 20

Omega Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 17

Juke 2

Comm Relay 3

Ship Total: 22

Omega Squadron Pilot — TIE/fo Fighter 17

Juke 2

Comm Relay 3

Ship Total: 22

"Epsilon Ace" — TIE/fo Fighter 17

Ship Total: 17

It ended up being pretty effective.

Edited by pt106

Those lists are horrible.

Just taking a focus action raises your expected damage output almost as much as the extra die, and also gives you the flexibility to save it for defense if you don't roll any eyes on offense.

Those lists are horrible.

Just taking a focus action raises your expected damage output almost as much as the extra die, and also gives you the flexibility to save it for defense if you don't roll any eyes on offense.

I guess you missed the Fleet Officer and Systems Officer bit.

Those lists are horrible.

Just taking a focus action raises your expected damage output almost as much as the extra die, and also gives you the flexibility to save it for defense if you don't roll any eyes on offense.

Well thank you so much for the constructive feedback. As well as giving suggestions as to how Expose could possibly be a boon to a list. As I said, there are a lot of things going against Expose (I listed them in the initial post, in case you didn't read it), I'm not trying to create something that becomes a championship list (though that would be pretty cool), I'm just trying to come up with a way to make Expose part of a list that is somewhat competitive.

For everyone else, thanks for the suggestions. I saw it on some Decis a while back as well, but it still seemed to suffer from its other costs. I forgot to mention the other reason for having a 6 ship list is that it kind of helps mitigate the agility drop. If the opponent has 6 targets to go after, he can't always take advantage of some that have lowered agility.

Honestly, I forgot that the fos count as TIEs for Youngster. Maybe I can look to rework some things to get those in the list.

Edited by Raven19528

You know I've never actually used expose in a list...

But if I did, it would probably be on a ghost or deci: Somewhere where it doesn't matter about losing the agility.

maybe run experimental interface to get the action economy back, guess maybe Kyle katarn in the crew slot to push the action economy even further since you'll be de-stressing most of the time (or possibly kanan to keep the dial nice and open).

Of course that is a really expensive setup just for an extra dice with some modification.

Don't know how I'd set a deci up, haven't got much experience as imps.

I use to run Expose on my Deci build and found it ok. Used to run RAC Dec with Palp, Rebel Captive and Expose and then paired with Soontir. Was lots of fun.

Those lists are horrible.

Just taking a focus action raises your expected damage output almost as much as the extra die, and also gives you the flexibility to save it for defense if you don't roll any eyes on offense.

Well thank you so much for the constructive feedback. As well as giving suggestions as to how Expose could possibly be a boon to a list. As I said, there are a lot of things going against Expose (I listed them in the initial post, in case you didn't read it), I'm not trying to create something that becomes a championship list (though that would be pretty cool), I'm just trying to come up with a way to make Expose part of a list that is somewhat competitive.

Alright. If you really, really, really want to shoehorn Expose into something, try Chiraneau with Experimental interface. Although Predator and Engine upgrade is much better on him.