Just saw on a game website called coolstuff, that there is a star trek miniatures game that sounds identical to this one. Are they made by the same people?

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Wizkids makes the Star Trek version of X-Wing, and also the Dungeons and Dragons version. They use most of the same mechanics between each game. I haven't played Star Trek Attack Wing, and I've only flipped through the rulebook of the D&D one.

The D&D one has some interesting game mechanics. Attacks can cover a wide cone like flames from a dragon's mouth of you can do piercing attacks that can penetrate multiple enemies in a line. A little bit of that kind of stuff would be cool for X-Wing.

... wowzers.

From what I know of Star Trek Attack Wing, most of the basic mechanics are similar. The big difference is that in Attack Wing the Captain (Pilot) can be placed on any of his faction's ships. This makes competitive Attack Wing pretty boring, as you will have the best captains on the best ships, with very little variety. The miniatures themselves look pretty good though.

The miniatures for Star Trek Attack Wing are very, very sadly inferior to those of X-wing, in most cases. A few look pretty decent in sculpt (not many), but almost all have poor paint applications. Most of the sculpts are less detailed than the old Star Trek MicroMachines. Scale is a joke. The Klingon D7 is around twice the length of Kirk's Enterprise, for example. The rules do a poor job of representing capital ship combat, as one could anticipate given that the rules are made for dogfighting.

Personally, I've used the Attack Wing miniatures to get some ships I couldn't find good versions of elsewhere for use with a set of rules and ship charts I found online applying the B5Wars engine to Star Trek. But, really, that's all Attack Wing seems good for: it provides ship miniatures for otherwise unavailable ships.

Just my two cents.

The game plays well enough. The scale just isn't there and as stated before the paint jobs lack a lot. It is made by Wiz-Kids . All I can say is stick to X-Wing because there just isn't enough interest in Star Trek to find people to play with.

When you go to the wizzies STAW forum you see a lot of X-WING Topics posted... dat sez it all I think.

I play both STAW and X-Wing... I feel X-Wing is a FAR more balanced game. STAW can be fun in a "beer and pretzels" sort of way, or if your local group plays with understood limits... Locally most of us play "faction pure", so the whole fleet being say Klingon or Federation... The rules however allow you to play ANY CPT on ANY ship, simply pay an extra point penalty... So Jean Luc Picard on every ship (he's probably the best CPT in the game) is common where competitive play is the norm. So, short answer, CAN be a fun game in limited settings, but there are also the stupidly broken BS builds that you'll run across if you hit the tournament scene... No fun whatever, and while completely legal of course per Wizkids rules, that sort of thing just kills the game in a lot of areas...

Wizkids and balance do not go together.

I would eat some pizza while I watch STII Khan then take a happy ole fat man nap before I ever set foot in a dam wizzies tournament.

I've started using STAW dials and base tokens to scavenge for custom X-wing ships... So, I guess I also find it useful for raw materials.

I LOVE TREK BTW, and I have a complete collection IN Scale... took two years but I have all of the important ships now... well most of 'em.

I am going to ARMADA up some rules for STAW at some point.

WTF? Why The Face? This is Star Wars X-Wing miniatures forum. ???

Trying for a reasonably complete answer for the OP

The games use essentially the exact same mechanics, just tweaked a little bit. The trek game has speed 6 straights, speed 4 turns and reverse maneuvers, but if you play x-wing you would be able to play attack wing just by learning some jargon.

The "factions" barely qualify for the name in STAW. You can mix and match ships from different factions in the same squad and captains can be placed on ships of different factions. All for a minimal cost. As I understand it, for a while at least, Picard commanding a Borg cube was seriously overpowered (although that particular combination is not TOTALLY in fluffy)

Wizkids, the producers of attack wing have a TERRIBLE reputation for bad balance and power creep. Virtually every release is more powerful than the last and a must buy if you I tend to be competitive with strangers.

Related to that, they will release the same model with different paint jobs and title cards frequently. It's the same type of thing as x-wing aces packs, but they seem to do it a lot, so you can easily end up with lots of miniatures of the same ship.

Their concept of prize support borders on criminal. FFG prize support is alternate art cards and fancy tokens that are identical game wise to the regular card board. Wizkids prize support is alternate cards with improved stats, making it virtually impossible to do well in a tournament until you have played in several of them first in order to collect the super cards.

Wizkids also produces convention exclusive cards, also with improved stats, and is notorious for not making enough of them to supply demand. There were a couple issues a year or two ago at gencon where some people got hurt at the wizkids booth because there weren't enough exclusive cards available and the booth staff outright lied to people about it.

Moving on to the miniatures

The early ones for the game were a joke. Easily as bad as the old vinyl mage knight figures. Soft, bendy, lacking in detail, with crappy paint jobs. From what I have seen however, the quality of the miniatures has improved significantly since then. The paint jobs are still not as good as x-wing, but that is mostly a lack of shading which, to an extent, works for trek since trek ships are so clean and sparkly. Scale is a total joke though.

The cards, IMO, are significantly worse than x-wings. The graphic design was going for a Star Trek LCARS look and it just doesn't work and they use screen captures instead of artwork which makes the whole thing seem more like some fan project than a professional product. Also, I once noticed that the cards for STAW are not uniform in size, in a stack of them they varied by a couple millimeters, which is pretty amateurish.

As for good things to say, every expansion comes with a scenario or two, some of which seem interesting, so it has a leg up on x-wing there, I also think STAW cards include some background information, something I really wish x-wing did. I gave also been told that the game can be perfectly fun if you are just playing with friends who are willing to apply some house rules, restriction and stat mods to curb the worst of the imbalances.

Don't the wizkid games have some units you can only acquire through tournament wins or tradeshows?

The reason I dumped heroclix is the reason I won't get into Attack Wing.

Also, Star Trek is dumb, and the models are lame, poorly painted hunks of non-scale plastic.

Wizkids and balance do not go together.

Nor quality control or component quality.

As far as the Trek miniatures, they are a painful wasted opportunity.

They NEED to be repainted, if you have any self respect as a table top wargamer then they really REALLLY need to be repainted.

D&D on the other hand are actually quite nice.

The non-dragon stuff is ok but the dragons themselves are mostly well painted out of the box.

I have quite a few now. My dear GF loves her dragons.

She won't play the game however so I haven't bought many of the other figures

What's Star Trek?

I think they accurately reflect the quality of the game itself.

Also, Star Trek is dumb

First, don't start that nerd war.

Second, by Star Trek, do you mean STAR TREK or JJ Trek, huge difference.

And third, Babylon 5 is the best.

But really we are all fans of spaceships here (or at least Sci-Fi) can't we all just get along and support what little Sci-Fi media we get.

Wizkids and balance do not go together.

Nor quality control or component quality.

I would urge you to have a closer look at the dragons, they are quite well sculpted and most have decent paint jobs.

What's Star Trek?

It's what Star Wars would be if it tried to be scientific, didn't have the Force, there was no Dark Side and no Empire or First Order.

Everyone is happy and gets along. With the happy tranquility occasionally interrupted by grumpy Klingons or cyborg zombies called Borg. Really without Klingons, Borg or Dominion it would be really boring.

The two newest movies are awesome though. Less buddy buddy and more pew pew pew.

I'm sure you knew the answer and were being cheeky but thought I'd answer anyway

BABYLON 5 was cool too.

Battlestar Galactica (original)

Buck Rogers (Erin Grey was my first crush)

Space Above and Beyond

Star Trek

Star Trek Next Generation

Star Trek Deep Space Nine (the best IMO)

Star Trek Voyager

Thunderbirds

Captain Scarlet (best of the puppets)

and

Star Wars

How I miss cool TV. Such a glorious sci-fi youth.

The theme is fine but the models are bad and the upgrade cards are much much more ridiculously powerful.

It is quite possible to make a ship in that game that rolls 7 automatically modified green dice every time it's attacked and it isn't even half your list in their format. It got to a point where they had to put a limit on how many points you can put on a ship.

They also have the ships costed at a very specific formula(2 points per hull/shield/att/agi) and then an extra 2 for the named version of the ship. They do not deviate from this formula at all.