I hope we see them before gunboat and avenger. Should hit about wave 18 or so.

I hope we see them before gunboat and avenger. Should hit about wave 18 or so.

I can totally understand FFG not really wanting to do Clone Wars stuff. Regardless whether it's justufied or not, fact is some people do hate prequels, and making something a non-insignificant part of the customer base will hate from the get-go isn't the smartest business decision.

I can totally understand FFG not really wanting to do Clone Wars stuff. Regardless whether it's justufied or not, fact is some people do hate prequels, and making something a non-insignificant part of the customer base will hate from the get-go isn't the smartest business decision.

I dunno, we still bought the Punisher...

And the Scyk...

and the Khyraxz...

And the K-wing...

And the HWK...

I can totally understand FFG not really wanting to do Clone Wars stuff. Regardless whether it's justufied or not, fact is some people do hate prequels, and making something a non-insignificant part of the customer base will hate from the get-go isn't the smartest business decision.

I dunno, we still bought the Punisher...

And the Scyk...

and the Khyraxz...

And the K-wing...

And the HWK...

Not sure I follow...did any of these have a dedicated group hating the lore source they come from?

I can totally understand FFG not really wanting to do Clone Wars stuff. Regardless whether it's justufied or not, fact is some people do hate prequels, and making something a non-insignificant part of the customer base will hate from the get-go isn't the smartest business decision.

I dunno, we still bought the Punisher...

And the Scyk...

and the Khyraxz...

And the K-wing...

And the HWK...

Not sure I follow...did any of these have a dedicated group hating the lore source they come from?

Yea there's been several ship issues over the years.

First was the hwk for being the first EU ship in the game. Some EU ships have been hated for being ugly (kwing), obscure (khyrxz), or both (punisher).

Then of course there was hate when scum was announced as a third faction. As well as the tfa core set for introducing a new era (as well as making you buy a new core set).

But most people come around in the end for one or more of the following reasons: the models are well made, the ship fills a unique role, it has new upgrade cards you really want.

It would be no different for adding prequel/clone war ships. Perhaps it would be the biggest initial backlash yet. But it will likely pass in time as usual.

I haven't hated a single ship that's been released to X-wing. As a big EU person, I hate it when people say, "well we still bought X" (pun intended) even though everybody hated it. Not everyone hated it, and for the record I would not buy the gunboat or some of the prequels designs if they were released (on the other hand, some I wouldn't mind seeing in game).

I can totally understand FFG not really wanting to do Clone Wars stuff. Regardless whether it's justufied or not, fact is some people do hate prequels, and making something a non-insignificant part of the customer base will hate from the get-go isn't the smartest business decision.

I dunno, we still bought the Punisher...

And the Scyk...

and the Khyraxz...

And the K-wing...

And the HWK...

Not sure I follow...did any of these have a dedicated group hating the lore source they come from?

Yea there's been several ship issues over the years.

First was the hwk for being the first EU ship in the game. Some EU ships have been hated for being ugly (kwing), obscure (khyrxz), or both (punisher).

Then of course there was hate when scum was announced as a third faction. As well as the tfa core set for introducing a new era (as well as making you buy a new core set).

But most people come around in the end for one or more of the following reasons: the models are well made, the ship fills a unique role, it has new upgrade cards you really want.

It would be no different for adding prequel/clone war ships. Perhaps it would be the biggest initial backlash yet. But it will likely pass in time as usual.

Everyone loved the HWK because it came from a good videogame. People didn't like K-wing but then saw the actual model thought it wasn't so bad. The Khyraxz appeased the SWG fans, and the Punisher is a design that actually makes sense, and atleast imho isn't very ugly at all. None of these ships have garnered as much hate as various prequel ships. While I would certainly would, a lot of people probably wouldn't buy an ARC-170 or V-wing.

People would buy the ARC-170 and the V-wing if they were the new meta.

People would buy the ARC-170 and the V-wing if they were the new meta.

Well, my designs for the ARC was supposed to be a Rebel ordnance carrier, and the V-wing a scum Interceptor. Doubt those would be meta breaking.

Actually the arc could be pretty similar to the jump master.

Imagine a PS3 version with EPT slot. It would have a crew and astromech and 2 torpedoes so it could easily be a Rebel and/or Imperial torpedo boat. Make it cheap like the jump master so you can field 3 as well. It wouldn't have a turret, but probably compensate with a 3 primary and 2 aux arc attack.

Everyone loved the HWK? I thought everyone groaned because it was the first EU ship in the game, arriving before ALL other favorites. And everyone thought it was too expensive for what it was, practically requiring the 3 point title for the 4 point BT to even be functional (throw in recon spec too while you are at it). Yeah, lots of love when it first came out...

Everyone loved the HWK? I thought everyone groaned because it was the first EU ship in the game, arriving before ALL other favorites. And everyone thought it was too expensive for what it was, practically requiring the 3 point title for the 4 point BT to even be functional (throw in recon spec too while you are at it). Yeah, lots of love when it first came out...

Not on the mechanical side, but on the lore side it wasn't a hated ship. A lot of people (myself included) were surprised it was the first EU ship, but I don't recall it ever getting hate.

Actually the arc could be pretty similar to the jump master.

Imagine a PS3 version with EPT slot. It would have a crew and astromech and 2 torpedoes so it could easily be a Rebel and/or Imperial torpedo boat. Make it cheap like the jump master so you can field 3 as well. It wouldn't have a turret, but probably compensate with a 3 primary and 2 aux arc attack.

You pretty much described my version except 3 attack would be way to powerful.

With all of the new stuff coming out, ideas and thoughts do we want to go backwards or forwards.

I think the prequels are ok but the ships would be boring and I don't believe there is a enough for a third rebel faction and a droid faction which is not imperials so it would not fit, also what pilots would you have how would you go forward with, and what other ships. Having just every pilot for Driod A,B,C is going to be un inspiring if Disney is not super excited about these movies why would FFG (based on the lack of content coming out for this era) I think we have First Order and Resistance because Disney wants them and there is so much potential/excellence, what's going to happen with Rey, Finn and Kylo will they fly their own special ships past the falcon, what ships does the resistance and first order have up their sleeves for 8 and 9, what about Scum and Bounty Hunters not to even think about the non numbered movies and ship tie ins. Will we see new A-Wings with 8 or refits of B/E/Y ect....

In the end if there is a demand and enough ideas who knows I just would not hold my breathe.

I think a Seperatist Faction would work, perhaps as a Scum subfaction. The Republic ships should be split up tho, mostly between rebels and scum. The Eta-2 is a proto-TIE so it goes to the Imps, and Vader needs his first Sith-mobile in this game.

But...this is all rhetorical because we aren't swing these ships anytime soon, at least not in number.

Future direction also depends quite heavily on what Disney does with the new movies. I highly doubt 'make enough new ships for FFG' is even on the radar of the team making the movies. Therefore, if new movies don't include enough new ship designs FFG will eventually have to pull from someplace else, no?

I can't quite see FFG making a 4th faction for droid ships. What makes them interesting and what makes X-Wing interesting seem mutually contradictory. But Alex Davies may see that as an interesting design challenge.

The other ships seem well suited aesthetically to the existing factions. I'm not certain how they would quite justify bringing the Arc 160 to the Rebellion, but that does seem its natural home. The V-Wing doesn't seem like it would quite add anything for the Imperial faction that it doesn't already have. Jedi fighters are cool looking, but thematically weird - and would probably require another faction entirely to be less weird.

What else is there? The V-19 Torrent is my baby and I wants it. But. It has to be Imperial or FFG (or Disney...) would have to jump through some weird hoops. The various troop landers would be odd. I actually like the look of the N-1, we have canon evidence of Rebels flying it, and... what role would it fill? I guess it could be similar to the Z-95, but with a Torpedo slot instead of a missile? Maybe with a better dial?

Speaking of the Z-95: as far as I know, we've only ever canonically seen it as a Republic ship in the Clone Wars era. Yet FFG managed to stick it into both the Rebellion and Scum factions. So maybe they wouldn't have to work quite so hard to bring ships like the V-19 or Arc 160 to the place they seem most aesthetically at home.

Don't get me wrong! I'd like to see many, most, all of these in the game. But. There are challenges from a gameplay perspective.

However! The process works like this: the designers of X-Wing want to bring in a ship. Then they ask Lucafilm (now owned by Disney) if it's ok. If it is, then they start the design process.

In some sense, the ships make it into the game in descending order of how much FFG likes any given ship. That's kind of cool.

Speaking of the Z-95: as far as I know, we've only ever canonically seen it as a Republic ship in the Clone Wars era. Yet FFG managed to stick it into both the Rebellion and Scum factions. So maybe they wouldn't have to work quite so hard to bring ships like the V-19 or Arc 160 to the place they seem most aesthetically at home.

In the new canon, that's true. However, in the old canon they were commonly used by Scum in the OT era and less commonly by Rebels.

@Pundit: yes, the V-19 Torrent is a cross generational ancestor of the the beloved GUNBOAT. Ever since I saw those things take to the skies in the cell animated CW I was in love. And it must be Imperial.

And it must be Imperial.

You misspelled "Rebel".

And it must be Imperial.

You misspelled "Rebel".

I have in my mind's eye the picture of an aging Acclimator class frigate/transport with squadrons of V-19s patrolling the back waters of the outer rim and western reaches, its crew proud to serve the Empire even with early CW equipment instead of the modern TIEs. Cut off from supply bases for months or years at a time, doing what must be done with what little they have. Honoring the Clone Heroes that came before by treasuring their ships and expanding the borders of the Emperor's reach.

I am waiting for the First Order, and the Resistance to be cut into their own factions. There is a possibility of a 3rd core set with Prequal ships, and then expand from there. Seperatists, and Republic as factions. The Republic is allied with the Empire and the Seperatists with the Rebellion, to start. Since the Republic turned into the Empire, and the First Order is the Remnants of the Empire. Doesn't matter for the Good vs Evil thing, just continuity of faction. Then when a sufficient number of ships is reached, they become they're own stand alone faction, and alliances go away.

Then when a sufficient number of ships is reached, they become they're own stand alone faction, and alliances go away.

I don't see FFG ever doing that - it would cause issues with people who only collect one faction, suddenly being told that some percentage of their collection is now worthless for play.

I guess no one noticed that the Rebel Alliance and Galactic Empire both became sub-factions in their respective Rebel and Imperial factions. Same as Scum and Villiany becoming the lone sub-faction in Scum. So there's 5 subfactions split into 3 main factions.

Look it up, that's how they word it!

I have in my mind's eye the picture of an aging Acclimator class frigate/transport with squadrons of V-19s patrolling the back waters of the outer rim and western reaches, its crew proud to serve the Empire even with early CW equipment instead of the modern TIEs. Cut off from supply bases for months or years at a time, doing what must be done with what little they have. Honoring the Clone Heroes that came before by treasuring their ships and expanding the borders of the Emperor's reach.

Sold!

BTW: are you the Grimmy who does the awesome XCOM mods?

I have in my mind's eye the picture of an aging Acclimator class frigate/transport with squadrons of V-19s patrolling the back waters of the outer rim and western reaches, its crew proud to serve the Empire even with early CW equipment instead of the modern TIEs. Cut off from supply bases for months or years at a time, doing what must be done with what little they have. Honoring the Clone Heroes that came before by treasuring their ships and expanding the borders of the Emperor's reach.

Sold!

BTW: are you the Grimmy who does the awesome XCOM mods?

Sadly no. I'm just your average schmuck.