It was interesting meeting you guys there, and fun playing. I managed to walk away with third place.

What did you field?

Still really confused by the fact that the triple Tap left a motti VSD on the board with 3 hull...

I have NEVER failed to kill an Medium ship and I did tonight...

I've had this happen to me twice running your eponymous fleet, once to a Motti VSD and once to an AF2, leading me to conclusively identify witchcraft as the source of your power.

Sorry the dice was not strong with you this weekend.

I took 4th using a straight forward Ackbar fleet. Won all 3 of my games, but with fairly low MoV in each of them.

I actually broke a personal rule and took a fleet I had never used before. This lead to a couple of small errors on my part. Mostly though I was caught a bit flat footed by the aggressive play of my opponents. I had gotten used to a local style that has players being more cautious on the approach. In each game my opponents were on me immediately and the shooting started early.

Had a pretty mediocre day. Won my first two with low MoV, but by the last game they were threatening to kick us out and I was tired, so I ended up just not doing smart things and getting destroyed by Lyraeus.

I'm irritated by how the event was organized. Even if they had started on time, we would have been pushing midnight to finish all the games. As it was we had I think 90ish minutes to play round 3, including set up. It definitely affected how I played. Not that it would have drastically changed the outcome, but I could maybe have scraped together another couple of points. And I know a few other games would have gone differently if they had been allowed to play a full round. In any case, the organizers failed to a) schedule enough time for the tournament, b) get things going efficiently enough for us to play 3 rounds in the time they did schedule, or c) work things out with the venue ahead of time so that this didn't happen in the first place. Pretty unprofessional, imo.

Sounds like some people learned about hubris.

I was surprised to read that round 2 was starting so late before I went to bed.

It was interesting meeting you guys there, and fun playing. I managed to walk away with third place.

What did you field?

Fully loaded ISD II, half loaded Demolisher, lightly loaded gladiator, and a fireball.

In other words, the winner I think

Sounds like some people learned about hubris.

I was surprised to read that round 2 was starting so late before I went to bed.

Yea round 2 was close to 8pm PST.

As for hubris, it is why I have to constantly tell myself that I will lose. I get too overconfident and miss something.

Sorry to hear about how badly organised this one was, likely they wont get to host again after that. As annoying as it is, Armada tournaments really need to start before 10am, as painful as that is at the weekend.

So after all the hype I find it amusing that none of the big hitters appear to have won... who did?

Sounds like some people learned about hubris.

I was surprised to read that round 2 was starting so late before I went to bed.

Oh man, took the words right out of my mouth.

I talked with the TO and apparently last year the venue let them stay till 1:30 or so, but this year they forced closure right at midnight. I was in flight 1 of X-wing and the same thing happened. A failure in communication I think.

I myself was right in the middle of the 19-point pack. Ran a fully loaded ISD--II, Montferrat Demolisher, and two overload pulse Raiders. Lost my first game badly, had the round 2 bye which was not that fun, and then ended up 9-1 on my last game. Last game was very close though, managed to table my opponent the turn that his rhymerball would have destroyed my ISD.

It was a good day. Some of us lost, some won. We did have a question on measuring attack range which it was actually a good thing that I was there becuase I have the email from that question.

Hello, Damion,

In response to your question:

Rules Question:

Does the plastic portion of the base count for measuring range for attacks and other things that require Hull Zone? Hull Zones in the Rules Reference Guide reads "A Hull Zone is a section of a ship token delineated by the two firing arc lines that border it. It does

not

include any part of the plastic base." This question comes up because several people from GenCon have stated that they were told that the base counts for attacking.

The plastic base (excluding the shield dial frames) does block line-of-sight and is used when measuring for a non-attack measurement (such as for a card effect that requires another ship be at distance 1–3). Attack measurement is the special case because the specific hull zones matter; during attack measurement, you must measure to and from the ship tokens.

Thanks for playing!

James Kniffen

Game Designer

Fantasy Flight Games

[email protected]

lyr that wasn't the winning build btw.

kinda funny how so many people say it was dice lol

what demsu isn't invincible.....? Who'd of thought!

I talked with the TO and apparently last year the venue let them stay till 1:30 or so, but this year they forced closure right at midnight. I was in flight 1 of X-wing and the same thing happened. A failure in communication I think.

I myself was right in the middle of the 19-point pack. Ran a fully loaded ISD--II, Montferrat Demolisher, and two overload pulse Raiders. Lost my first game badly, had the round 2 bye which was not that fun, and then ended up 9-1 on my last game. Last game was very close though, managed to table my opponent the turn that his rhymerball would have destroyed my ISD.

I was your game 1. It was a good game. Dealing with a DtO style list is not easy. If you don't have experience with it, it is hard to mitigate what it is doing.

ArmadaJim practiced a lot it seems which actually makes me pretty happy. It means a lot to me when people actually see me as a threat.

When you run a cheese build, you're putting yourself open to the whims of dice.

lyr that wasn't the winning build btw.

kinda funny how so many people say it was dice lol

what demsu isn't invincible.....? Who'd of thought!

I thought it was he guy who played ArmadaJim last who won?

That guy had a 2 ship list if I remember right.

When you run a cheese build, you're putting yourself open to the whims of dice.

What cheese build?

I for one never had dice issues. It game down to experience. ArmadaJim did something I had not experience against and now I know how to counter it. I even showed him roughly how it would have gone and he agreed.

Clon had an average day I think. That was all. His first round opponent also did a mistake that turned out to help him and that was when his Raider rimmed his ISD putting the Raider in a blocking path of Clon's Demolisher.

yeah the one you quoted was a three ship

lyr that wasn't the winning build btw.

kinda funny how so many people say it was dice lol

what demsu isn't invincible.....? Who'd of thought!

I thought it was he guy who played ArmadaJim last who won?

That guy had a 2 ship list if I remember right.

many likes for this post! For so many reasons!

When you run a cheese build, you're putting yourself open to the whims of dice.

What cheese build?

I for one never had dice issues. It game down to experience. ArmadaJim did something I had not experience against and now I know how to counter it. I even showed him roughly how it would have gone and he agreed.

Clon had an average day I think. That was all. His first round opponent also did a mistake that turned out to help him and that was when his Raider rimmed his ISD putting the Raider in a blocking path of Clon's Demolisher.

When you run a cheese build, you're putting yourself open to the whims of dice.

What cheese build?

The clonisher is pretty much the definition of cheese.

demo with an ordinance upgrade has been around forever and was shown it is easily beaten, so if it's cheese it's moldy cheese

In my experience, the nature of cheese is that it's always easily beaten. Edit: if you know it's coming.

well we have different definitions then

I suppose. I'm an ex-Starcraft 1 and 2 player, so cheese was always semi-cheap one-off strategies that could take a new player by surprise but a vet would see coming and counter. Like an early forward gate in the spawn, a worker rush, etc.. Strategies that were mostly all-in, meaning if it didn't work, you'd blown your chance of victory.

Edit: It sounds like we agree on principle though, just not on wording

ah coming from other table top games at least in my area it means broken and over powered

Good to know. So what do you call a strat like the clonisher build?