But again there's a difference between not getting what was promised or advertised and not getting what you thought you were going to get.

Right, but that doesn't preclude a conversation about the value of the thing you got. Giving me what was technically advertised doesn't mean you're going to get a good review if it was not good value for money.

But you knew the price and the product up front. I don't go to a restaurant , look at the menu, go inside and eat a meal then go to the internet and say "Didn't give me extra Chicken Parm 1/5 stars"...

I wrote "/Thread".... isn't that how the internet works?

Passing out custom tokens to everyone was the icing on the cake. You might as well have pinned a Star of David to my shirt and called it "prize support". The TO is literally Hitler.

Now that's how the Internet works.

Man, you really did incorporate a lot of the internet in there.

Sarcasm

Evidencing your own superiority

insults

Hitler

the word "literally" used incorrectly

Have a like and well done.

If you got what was advertised, for the price listed. You quite frankly have zero room to complain about it. You entered into the exchange fully aware of the details.

That doesn't mean what is being offered is worth the price being asked. But in that case you can simply walk away, if you don't like the deal.

If people want to discuss how much prize support X$'s should provide then we could do that, but that is not what this thread was about.

I thought that's exactly what this thread is about. And I disagree just because I agree to pay something I give up all right to my opinion on whether it is good value for money.

But you knew the price and the product up front. I don't go to a restaurant , look at the menu, go inside and eat a meal then go to the internet and say "Didn't give me extra Chicken Parm 1/5 stars"...

I dunno. At the risk of going down the analogy rabbit hole, I might be unimpressed if things I'm accustomed to getting for free at similar restaurants (breadsticks, water, use of the toilet facilities) are not provided. Or if I am charged $50 for a meal that clearly isn't worth more than $10 because it is the only restaurant in town and there's no other choice.

On second thought...

I'm not going to bother arguing with someone who feels they have a right to complain about getting what was advertised for the listed price, at a completely optional event...

Someone like that just isn't worth it.

Another point I feel is being missed is that Regionals happens once a year, while the store hosting the regionals near me, has a weekly x-wing night. They do not make money from the weekly night. They will be unable to keep having a weekly X-wing night if they cannot offset those costs by making it up elsewhere. Regionals and/or Store Championships are ways they can do that.

I would much rather have a store to play at than to have the store go out of business but offer a ton of prize support.

Perhaps your local store does make money on their weekly game nights, but there are 8 different stores in my city with weekly X-wing nights, and I try to buy from the places I play at, but that still ends up being about 1-2 X-wing purchase from the 4 stores I attend for every wave. That is not a lot of income for that store given the time I play there. I would guess that the store is lucky if one of the 15 players buys something other than a soda or snack each week.

I'm not sure gaming space should be considered to offer such immediate returns. If I play regularly at a gaming store I will make all my gaming purchases there rather than online for cheaper. Most stores make most of their money from Magic and similar card games anyway. But I'm still used to big stores throwing big wargaming tournaments for other systems turning the entrance into store credit or cool prizes or food and they seem to be managing just fine without needing to charge fairly hefty entrance to support game nights.

On second thought...

I'm not going to bother arguing with someone who feels they have a right to complain about getting what was advertised for the listed price, at a completely optional event...

Someone like that just isn't worth it.

What are you talking about?

I'm not complaining about any given event. I didn't actually complain about it myself at all, if you re-read my posts, just supported the position that you can make value judgements about an event.

And the variation is system specific. I know stores that, for example, give 100% of the entrance fee back for their store tournaments for other miniature game tournaments but for X-wing just give out the kit and pocket the rest. There are several stores around here and one of them gives store credit (beyond the cost of the kit) back as prize support and another that doesn't. Tournaments aren't all about winning for me, but I do make a bit more effort to make it out to the first store's tournaments. When I go to the second store's tournaments, I know what I'm getting into, I don't rant and rave at the organiser for not giving out better prize support. But I do appreciate the first store not just pocketing the rest and I don't think it's unreasonable of me to consider that better value for money.

I'm not sure gaming space should be considered to offer such immediate returns. If I play regularly at a gaming store I will make all my gaming purchases there rather than online for cheaper.

By buying all of your purchase for a wave at one store, you may make it worth it for that store to have given you a playing space, but where I am at there are many stores with X-wing nights, and I play at a few of those stores. I make my purchases at those stores because I want to contribute to them having gaming space, but by spreading my purchases around to each store I don't think that any store ends up ahead. Renting (or paying for a mortgage on) that space is expensive in a city and they need to find ways to recoup the cost on league nights. A tournament is one way. If people don't want stores making money on tournaments, then they should skip the tournaments where they feel like they are being gouged, and also send complaints to FFG it they think it is warranted, but I would imagine that this will end up with fewer tournaments overall. And then those tournaments will be harder to get a seat at, and they are already selling out at the tournaments near me; my regionals has a cap at 120, which sold out in the first day.

So for me it is purely selfish, I want the stores to be able to make money off of tournaments, so that there will be more opportunity for me to get to tournaments. If I wanted more ships and/or acrylic tokens I can forgo the tournament and take the money I saved an buy those things (but then again, I am not going to rank highly enough to get those, so I would have to do that anyway, so maybe that taints my point of view). But if a tournament happens and it is run poorly and is not a good environment to play in, I will not attend tournaments at that location again, and would suggest others to do the same. But for me, a store not giving me enough stuff to equal my entry fee does not count as being poorly run.

I think people should be happy they have a place to play at.

I live on a east coast province in Canada, and not one game store here has a xwing night, season/store championship, let alone regional.

I hear people saying there are several they can go to

Man, I wish I had that

Maybe people should be happy they have a place they can get together and play with other players

For every tournament I want to enter I have to drive an hour and half, pay for gas, a 46 dollar bridge fair, cost to enter, food and anything else I want to buy.

And I've tried getting xwing nights on different occasions here but our stores are small, and mainly it's mtg that runs the stores around here.

So instead of complaining about things, just be glad you have a spot to go, and in some cases multiple choices

How would you feel if your only option was to play with the same two players every week for last two years, or play on vassal if you wanted other competition?

Be grateful is all can say

Hell I'd be happy even if a store charged 5 bucks just to play on Thursday night, and all I got was a night of xwing with various players

Seeing as a trip to the movie costs 15 bucks for two hours, 5 bucks for a night of xwing would be a good deal

And 25 dollars for 5 games of xwing, a alt card that goes for 20-35 on eBay is a great deal.

People need to stop bitching about stupid ****, and just be grateful they even have a place to go.

Xwing is a luxury.

How many millions of people on this planet would love to have these concerns instead of wondering if a bomb will blow them up, or if the water they drink is going to make them sick

I think people should be happy they have a place to play at.

I live on a east coast province in Canada, and not one game store here has a xwing night, season/store championship, let alone regional.

I hear people saying there are several they can go to

Man, I wish I had that

I'll trade you my game stores for your free health care and college. Deal?

I think people should be happy they have a place to play at.

I live on a east coast province in Canada, and not one game store here has a xwing night, season/store championship, let alone regional.

I hear people saying there are several they can go to

Man, I wish I had that

I'll trade you my game stores for your free health care and college. Deal?

No free college in Toronto, but loads of game stores (some are even friendly!) and you can get the health care here.

And it is easy to support for local game stores in Toronto because the prices on Amazon are much higher than in the US, so many of my local game stores are just as cheap, or cheaper than, Canadian Amazon.

I think people should be happy they have a place to play at.

I live on a east coast province in Canada, and not one game store here has a xwing night, season/store championship, let alone regional.

I hear people saying there are several they can go to

Man, I wish I had that

I'll trade you my game stores for your free health care and college. Deal?

Yes our health care is free, but long waiting list and here on pei, some doctors are just fair

As for free college, I'd be there if there was such a thing. Who wouldn't take free education. Be crazy not to, but not here in Canada.

Actually tuition and other costs are going up.

All that, and still no xwing group on pei, so now just really sucks more

My point from the previous post is be happy you have options.

Stop crying other spilled milk, and just enjoy what us have, and don't take this for granted