Question of rules and etiquette?

By charlesanakin, in X-Wing

I will preface with the game in which this incident occurred was vs a friend and was a casual (but competitive) game. My opponent flew his ship into range of my ship and declared a TL. It was range 2 and I immediately conceded the TL. He proceeded to measure (as is his right) he swept over part of my base establishing his TL but continued to slide his range ruler until he hit his arc line and used his TL check to also verify arc. It was very close and this directly affected his second action (Vader).

Is this legal? If it were you how would you handle it?

I would take his Vader and give it a nudge straight off the table.

What he did was not allowed according to the rules.

How you would handle your friend is up to you. ;).

Hey bud. Sorry, he;s actually right. I forgot.

We had this discussion at gkmv: A few of us (tourney level) thought that you could measure from any point of the ship during the combat phase or to take a TL. But I think I looked at the rules and it does say you choose one point from each ship to measure from. Though, you can then take your measurement from basically all 4 corners of your ship to the other ship.

Someething I forgot cuz we were playing with that other rule for the longest time.

I'll check it again.

Edit: Its also different for both phases actually.

1. What I did is actually illegal. I forgot. During TL choice, you have measure only to the intended target.

2. During combat, as the active ship you can actually measure to ANY enemy ship, but it also doesn't state with the same language as the TL section.

Sorry. We at the store thought it was anything because of how it displays in vassal for attack.

You MUST measure during a TL (though many people will skip it if it's obviously in range), but you can ONLY measure closest point to closest point on the TLed ship.

If the issue is the test for in-arc [to determine if, perhaps, he needs to BR to get the target in arc], then, [from the FAQ, my bolding]:

"Measuring Range
Players may only measure range and/or use the range ruler to determine
whether a ship is inside or outside of a firing arc at the following times:
• When a ship becomes the active ship during the combat phase, the active
player can measure range from the active ship to any enemy ships before
declaring one as its target.
• When a player declares a ship’s ability that requires another ship (or ships)
to be at a certain range, the player trying to resolve the ability can measure
range from their ship to any valid ships before resolving the ability.
After declaring the intended target of a target lock action, the active player
may measure range to the intended target, and only to the intended target "
Since the header mentions checking for arc, but none of the three specific circumstances mention it [only range], I would think that you can check for arc at any of the 3 times [otherwise, why bother putting it in the header]...
...but then, I only play casual, so maybe some more experienced / TO players can comment ?
{EDIT: also, I know it doesn't matter, but thematically it makes sense to me - I'd think a targeting computer is going to tell you if you can shoot at something, not just if your weapon is in range...]
Edited by ianmiddy

Edit: Its also different for both phases actually.

1. What I did is actually illegal. I forgot. During TL choice, you have measure only to the intended target.

2. During combat, as the active ship you can actually measure to ANY enemy ship, but it also doesn't state with the same language as the TL section.

Sorry. We at the store thought it was anything because of how it displays in vassal for attack.

Firstly,... BURN THE WITCH!!!!

Secondly how does one handle this in a tournament environment? I am new to the tourney scene and want to play within the rules and have fun, but how you deal with an opponent can have repercussions on that game and maybe future games. Do you call a TO over? Do you remind them that to TL you measure closest point to the declared target?

Would there have been an issue if he'd checked the arc at the time of taking the Target Lock? If so then maybe the OP has a point otherwise "fly casual" right?

Would there have been an issue if he'd checked the arc at the time of taking the Target Lock? If so then maybe the OP has a point otherwise "fly casual" right?

You check for TL during a TL action, you check for arc during an attack. Deliberately checking for arc during an action is indeed cheating.

Firstly,... BURN THE WITCH!!!!

As you wish