Wave 4 fleet:

YEEEEEEESSSS

...it makes SO MUCH sense now!!

Wave 4 fleet:

YEEEEEEESSSS

...it makes SO MUCH sense now!!

Why does it make sense?

guys veteran gunners works against squadrons too....

guys veteran gunners works against squadrons too....

Clon...sometimes you gotta roll the hard six.

Keyword is: gotta when Rhymer and his buddies are knocking on your door.

Yeah man...that would be MEGA shady....

Why would that be Mega Shady?

Its explicitly allowed with the Timing Rules...

Adding Dice. Rerolling Dice. Spending Dice. |

All 3 of those have the same Timing.

As it is your turn, you choose the order in which you activate those.

This is no different then, at long Range, Adding a Black Die due to Defiance, and then adding another Black Die due to Concentrate Fire (Dial).

I'm pretty sure the wording says "all of your dice" not the one's you're going to pick out to lock down tokens.

C'mon man, you know that is going to throw people off or out right turn them off when they see things like that happen, the meta is already rough with intel officer heavy lists.

And it doesn't say "all of your dice," it says "all of the dice in your attack pool." Spent accuracies are no longer in your attack pool, so why would you have to reroll them? There is nothing confusing or questionable about this at all, Dras is just the first person to have noticed it.

Sorry, I don't buy "but I don't like that!" as a good reason for game mechanics not to work as written.

So, Randomly, here's a Titbit for Veteran Gunners I just realised as I was rulebook browsing...

So, Veteran Gunners has already been maligned because its all dice in your pool... Well, how can we get maximum benefit for that?

We take dice out of the pool!

Of course, this is kind of making the best of a crap sandwich... BUT,

Due to the timing rules, you can roll all of your attack... You can then spend your dice , such as, say, spending ACC icons to lock down tokens...

And Then Reroll... So if your first attack was crap + acc, you can keep the acc, reroll the crap!

You can also Spend a Hit on Precision Strike, before activating your Veteran Gunners Reroll.....

So there's a couple of (yes, I agree, still seriously limited) ways to get the most out of Veteran Gunners.

If that doesnt get FAQ'd I will be shocked

Dras is correct. You can apply your spend, modify, add, and reroll abilities in any order you like. So you can spend your accuracy dice and then reroll the remaining dice. It does mean you very well could get even more accuracy icons that are basically superfluous, but it's definitely doable.

Veteran Gunners seem like they might be better in addition to other spend/modify/reroll effects, though. You can fine tune your roll much better with some kind of safety net there. Otherwise it's just bad overall roll insurance, which has its place but doesn't seem as all-around helpful as a more pick-and-choose reroll like Ordnance Experts, Leading Shots, or Vader (...who isn't exactly tier one himself). With the Liberty itself it would seem that with that big mean front arc you'd probably be better off with Gunnery Teams and Leading Shots to spread the love and even out the bad dice luck. I guess we'll see, though...

I don't even play Armada; I just came here to see what Admiral Nelson had to say...

AdmiralNelson got the banhammer, so I'm afraid you'll need to wait for the publication he swore he was writing an article for about how Armada was doomed and nobody was playing it anymore. I wouldn't hold my breath...

Re: Liberties and Offensive/Defensive Retrofit slots (a page or two back, I've been out today)

I'm just making the call based on the cards we can see for the ship, and it assumes the wave 1 and wave 2 logic of "all ships come with upgrade cards for all their slots." It should be noted that flotillas DO NOT come with Offensive Retrofit cards (...that we know, wouldn't that throw us for a loop?) so it's entirely possible that FFG is no longer following that method of upgrade card distribution. At the very least it's safe to assume that at least one of the variants of each chassis type can use a card included with it, but it may no longer be a sign of that ship having only that kind of upgrades anymore. I guess we'll see.

Yeah man...that would be MEGA shady....

Why would that be Mega Shady?

Its explicitly allowed with the Timing Rules...

Adding Dice. Rerolling Dice. Spending Dice. |

All 3 of those have the same Timing.

As it is your turn, you choose the order in which you activate those.

This is no different then, at long Range, Adding a Black Die due to Defiance, and then adding another Black Die due to Concentrate Fire (Dial).

I'm pretty sure the wording says "all of your dice" not the one's you're going to pick out to lock down tokens.

C'mon man, you know that is going to throw people off or out right turn them off when they see things like that happen, the meta is already rough with intel officer heavy lists.

I'm confused, are you saying Intel Officer is offputting? Intel Officer , of all things...?

And it doesn't say "all of your dice," it says "all of the dice in your attack pool." Spent accuracies are no longer in your attack pool, so why would you have to reroll them? There is nothing confusing or questionable about this at all, Dras is just the first person to have noticed it.

Sorry, I don't buy "but I don't like that!" as a good reason for game mechanics not to work as written.

You're entitled to an opinion, but not to be a **** about it.

Think it's time I spend some time away from these boards for a bit, seem to be getting a little crazy lately....

You're entitled to an opinion, but not to be a **** about it.

Easy to misinterpret tone from text; just as easy to lose sight that a voiceless avatar has a real person attached.

What also tickles my fancy is Interdictor and Projection Experts.

5 Eng + 3 from Token =8 total.

You cast the full amount for 2, you repair those 2 shields for 4, you then have 2 additional points left over. It seems like the only viable Projection ship because it doesn't leave itself worse off.

The Interdictor is my favorite ship in the game right now. There are so many combos and fun to be had. I really hope it proves to be competitive as well.

For me the Interdictor is the best looking ship in the game

To further expand upon why I think 2 contains can be useful....

We are about to see Bomber Squadrons get rerolls, Bombers can cause crits, rebels can theoretically get both of a B-wing's dice rerolled. Bombers generate the generic standard crit, which means Contain works.

So having 2 Contains means the Interdictor can stop 2 bomber crits per round, without losing any tokens, or it can stop 4 bomber crits if it burns them, that seems mighty impressive to me, 4 no crits in a crunch round?, yes please.

Or 3 crits from Luke & ?Yavaris? nope not happening anymore mr Skywalker!

Something I noticed about the contains.. is that the liberty has on in the set, at least from the img. So the other variant might have a contain.

Wave 4 fleet:

What are those three little white things above the front of the Liberty Class? They look like partially digested E-Wings.

Wave 4 fleet:

Personally, I prefer this view of the Liberty...

Don't be too proud of your forward-firing technological terror that FFG has created for you Rebel scum. The ability to brace four attacks is still insignificant next to the power of a Clonisher triple-tap.

That didn't exactly answer my question

I look at the VSD as weak because it can only be well built to do one thing, and then has to rely on exceptional player skill: other ships can be built multiple ways well and with that same player skill are just simply...well, better.

Ive used the VSD in non carrier roles to great success, winning tourneys with it. Its more difficult to find a use for it, and to play, but its still the most beef (hp & dice) for points you can buy.

Personally, I prefer this view of the Liberty...

Wave 5 Death Star?

Personally, I prefer this view of the Liberty...

Wave 5 Death Star?

Nope, that's the front arc shot from the Clonisher

Im more excited to use the Interdictor as a support ship than any flotillas. Very odd, but so far the flotillas dont impress me one bit.

Wave 4 fleet:

What are those three little white things above the front of the Liberty Class? They look like partially digested E-Wings.

When a mummy Liberty and a daddy Liberty love each other very much...

1 on 1 size comparison between Home one and Liberty, pretty similar in size. The home one is more protruded which makes sense if you look at the fire arcs.

Edit: same comparison for Victory and Interdictor:

Wave 4 fleet:

What are those three little white things above the front of the Liberty Class? They look like partially digested E-Wings.

When a mummy Liberty and a daddy Liberty love each other very much...

They each eject stuff into space where it (hopefully) joins together? I'm guessing that one's a Daddy Liberty.

Anyone think the Veteran Gunners could help some of the Ion Cannon upgrades? Fishing for the crits you need to make use of them.

Wave 4 fleet:

What are those three little white things above the front of the Liberty Class? They look like partially digested E-Wings.

When a mummy Liberty and a daddy Liberty love each other very much...

They each eject stuff into space where it (hopefully) joins together? I'm guessing that one's a Daddy Liberty.