PS9 Poe - Needed. But, worth the cost?

By emmjay, in X-Wing

One can argue, and I would agree, that the "best" pilot in The Resistance should never have been PS8 to begin with. He should have started off at PS 9. Even if FFG didn't know how good Poe was going to be in the movie, knowing that Poe was going to be the new "Wedge" should have been a big clue as to how powerful he will be.

I do agree that his ability is good, and useful. Granted, in the current meta he isn't all that special as alpha strike builds can ruin him quickly. But, given how powerful he was, he will return to a good spot in Rebel lists. I mean, Paul used on version of Poe to win worlds and a few months later Aaron Bonner used a totally different version of Poe to win a store championship.

But, is Poe worth 2 more points for 1 more PS and an EPT? Lets look at what FFG has done in the past to make Poe from PS8 to PS9.

Adaptability is free. That would add 1 more PS for nothing. Whats more, Adaptability is worth more as the player can add or subtract 1 PS at the start of the game. A-Wing Test Pilot adds an EPT as a title. For free. Granted its A-Wing only, but FFG has demonstrated in the past that that they have no problem adding a 2nd EPT to a ship for free.

So, for nothing, FFG has shown that they have no problem allowing players to add (or subtract) 1 PS for free, and give an additional EPT as a title, also for free. So, now we have a problem. FFG has now stated that for 33 points you can get a new version of Poe (with the same ability) with 1 more PS and keep the EPT. Is it worth it? I don't believe so. Granted, FFG should have released Poe at PS9 for 33/32 points to begin with. I mean, Wedge is 29 points and his ability could be considered far more useful as it works every turn you have a shot.

I don't know the math, but I believe just the possibility of rivaling VI Vader is worth a lot. Just one point would have been way too little, that would be a flat upgrade.

Too expensive. If this Poe had 4 in shield then 33 points would be worth it. I stick will old Poe with VT, IA and R2-D2.

The old Poe was under-costed to begin with.

Deal with it, rebel scum!

I'm still annoyed at giving him a second pilot card.

They should have made the Black One Title Poe-only and built the +1 PS into it.

It even makes some sense thematically since he's at his best behind the stick of his personal ship, which would be configured to his personal specifications. And he didn't get really amazing in the film until he showed up in his own ship anyway.

Edited by DarthEnderX

I don't think the comparison with the A-Wing makes much sense. I think the only reason why they did it like this for Poe to be able to use the PTL and BB-8 combo as a ps9 pilot. I can't think of another reason atm. I do believe that it will give us two possible ways of playing Poe. Either with regeneration (R2 or R5) or with BB-8 and PTL. From a sales perspective this makes so much sense... who doesn't want to play Poe with BB-8?? I'm for one just very happy that I can fly these two together again and not have to worry about constantly being outflown by Vader or Soontir (and yes I know that that might still happen ;)).

I think we should just be happy for a change :D If you don't like it, don't buy it.

They should have made the Black One Title Poe-only and built the +1 PS into it.

A title for a single pilot seems like a waste of a title.

There is no bonus ept with the title. The bonus pilot skill does not take up any slot. The 2 point for 1 PS is a steal when you want it, no other pilot has this option, Which you choose during squad building.

I do wish the title had +1 PS and didn't get a reprint of poe.

Edited by GeneticDrift

A title for a single pilot seems like a waste of a title.

I have no problem with pilot specific upgrades.

Nobody beside Poe should be flying Black One in the first place.

One can argue, and I would agree, that the "best" pilot in The Resistance should never have been PS8 to begin with. He should have started off at PS 9. Even if FFG didn't know how good Poe was going to be in the movie, knowing that Poe was going to be the new "Wedge" should have been a big clue as to how powerful he will be.

How would FFG have known that Poe was going to be the new Wedge? All of the stuff that was released in the build up seemed to position him as the new Luke. It seemed like he was probably going to be the main character.

FFG pretty much made him the new Luke. The gave him the same PS and a similar pilot ability.

Being able to take predator or lone wolf and not automatically lose to ps9 aces as well as to automatically get above inquisitor or omega leader is definitely worth 2 points to me.

I do wish the title had +1 PS and didn't get a reprint of poe.

I'm not sure that the rules would allow you to have a PS11 Poe in that case. You can only have a single effect modifying PS.

FAQ, pg 4:

'Altered Pilot Skill
Some abilities alter the pilot skill value of a ship. If several game effects alter
the pilot skill of a ship, only the most recent effect is applied. For example,
if a Green Squadron Pilot equips Veteran Instincts, it increases its pilot skill
from 3 to 5. However, if it later receives the “Damaged Cockpit” Damage
card faceup, its pilot skill is reduced from 5 to 0 (rather than 2). Next round,
however, Wedge Antilles can use Swarm Tactics to raise its pilot skill to 9.'

Being able to take predator or lone wolf and not automatically lose to ps9 aces as well as to automatically get above inquisitor or omega leader is definitely worth 2 points to me.

The bolded part is even more valuable with the title.

I do wish the title had +1 PS and didn't get a reprint of poe.

I'm not sure that the rules would allow you to have a PS11 Poe in that case. You can only have a single effect modifying PS.

FAQ, pg 4:

'Altered Pilot Skill

Some abilities alter the pilot skill value of a ship. If several game effects alter

the pilot skill of a ship, only the most recent effect is applied. For example,

if a Green Squadron Pilot equips Veteran Instincts, it increases its pilot skill

from 3 to 5. However, if it later receives the “Damaged Cockpit” Damage

card faceup, its pilot skill is reduced from 5 to 0 (rather than 2). Next round,

however, Wedge Antilles can use Swarm Tactics to raise its pilot skill to 9.'

Well, that is a good reason to do it that way.

I just dont see how +1 PS = +2 points.

Ask me, what they should have done, is give PS9 Poe a new pilot ability(same pilot on the same ship, ala Boba and Kath), and cost him at 32, 33 if that new ability is really good.

Why? Well, frankly, most people are still going to use PS8 Poe regardless. The same ability, at +1 PS but costing 2 points more doesnt seem reasonable to most people. But, if you give PS9 Poe a new ability, it's definitely reasonable that this new Poe might have a completely different role based on his ability. Completely new builds might be necessary, and both pilots would have their own place in the meta, doing different things.

Now, i understand that technically speaking PS8 Poe and PS9 Poe arent the same pilot, so the "get a new pilot ability" thing doesnt really apply. But it could have. I mean, FFG makes the rules, they could have said that's how it works and that would be how it works. They have the same name, and fly the same ship. I think it would have been hella neat to get a completely different Poe.

I find myself loling at "needed"

PS 9 poe is in the running for least necessary addition to the game since the imperial ace interceptors not named carnor jax

dude is a complete fluff ball that could've been far more interesting if they gave him a different ability (especially one that reflected his FO killing ways)

he's in the box to boost sales and nothing more. As an addition to the game itself, he offers little to nothing that his PS 8 variant doesn't already do (and more efficiently) other than match VI vader in PS

I just dont see how +1 PS = +2 points.

Ask me, what they should have done, is give PS9 Poe a new pilot ability(same pilot on the same ship, ala Boba and Kath), and cost him at 32, 33 if that new ability is really good.

Why? Well, frankly, most people are still going to use PS8 Poe regardless. The same ability, at +1 PS but costing 2 points more doesnt seem reasonable to most people. But, if you give PS9 Poe a new ability, it's definitely reasonable that this new Poe might have a completely different role based on his ability. Completely new builds might be necessary, and both pilots would have their own place in the meta, doing different things.

Now, i understand that technically speaking PS8 Poe and PS9 Poe arent the same pilot, so the "get a new pilot ability" thing doesnt really apply. But it could have. I mean, FFG makes the rules, they could have said that's how it works and that would be how it works. They have the same name, and fly the same ship. I think it would have been hella neat to get a completely different Poe.

Major Rhymer thinks that 2 points per point of PS is a great deal. He's paying 4 points for his last point of PS (compared to Jonus at 6).