Black One / PS9 Poe: A Missed Opportunity from FFG?

By Rebelinst, in X-Wing

What's the text of the Black One title?

Why not use a “Poe Damon T-70 Only” Black One title to give PS8 Poe the boost to PS9? (Costs 1pt for the 1PS bump vs using 1 pt for VI for allowing the freeing up the EPT slot... makes sense) This would fix the cinematic Poe PS issue without the cop-out of a pilot card reprint.

I like that idea.

What's the text of the Black One title?

'After you perform a boost or barrel roll action, you may remove 1 enemy target lock from a friendly ship at Range 1. You cannot equip this card if your pilot skill is "6" or lower.'

Why not use a “Poe Damon T-70 Only” Black One title to give PS8 Poe the boost to PS9? (Costs 1pt for the 1PS bump vs using 1 pt for VI for allowing the freeing up the EPT slot... makes sense) This would fix the cinematic Poe PS issue without the cop-out of a pilot card reprint.

I like that idea.

The problem is that now you've got a title that is only usable by a single pilot and doesn't really do anything for folks that don't want to bid up to either PS9 or PS11. The title as released can be used on 4 different T-70 pilots and delivers a powerful utility to your squad for a single point.

So if i have BB8 with the title, can i remove two locks? One when i boost, and one when i barrel roll?

So if i have BB8 with the title, can i remove two locks? One when i boost, and one when i barrel roll?

Yup.

Ps9 Poe seems pretty strong if you use the old space noggin and realize it means he can take predator or lone wolf and not be auto porked when fighting 1v1 against imperial aces late game. R2d2, thrusters, lone wolf ps9 Poe is 41 points of actually scary ship rather than a dude who regen but hits like a nerd without some luck.

COMPLETELY agree with this. Poe getting a 2nd pilot card bothers me.

Black One should have been Poe-only and had the +1 PS built into it(though, in addition to it's other ability, not instead of as the OP suggests).

Edited by DarthEnderX

I really don't understand all the criticism of this expansion. Is PS 9 Poe gonna solve the U-boat/imp ace craze? Probably not, but I guarantee you his design was finalized before wave 8 hit and the meta became what it is. Wave 9 is already done too as the developers have said. People have to understand the is a delay of at least one wave before FFG can respond to meta imbalances. Sometimes they're able to predict where the meta will go and can get a head start on countering it with the next wave. Sometimes they can't.

Ps9 Poe seems pretty strong if you use the old space noggin and realize it means he can take predator or lone wolf and not be auto porked when fighting 1v1 against imperial aces late game. R2d2, thrusters, lone wolf ps9 Poe is 41 points of actually scary ship rather than a dude who regen but hits like a nerd without some luck.

I think PTL+BB-8+Thrusters on Poe will be the way to go. Unless there's a bunch of stress effects around, you can almost always get Poe the focus he needs while dropping off annoying target locks. Being able to do a barrel and boost before his maneuver lets Poe be very unpredictable.

Edited by WWHSD

I'm no fan of the Poe reprint either but what gets me most is the Falcon repackage. I'm just not into having two YT-1300s nor am I all that interested in the new Han and Chewie cards.

Luckily, the answer is simple. Don't get it. Not all products has to be something directly tailored to your personal needs or wants.

Which was the expectation? I'm sure I'm not the only person wondering what I'm supposed to do with 2 Falcons. Luckily I can just not buy the expac. It wouldn't be the first one I've decided to take a pass on. The Decimator is one I dislike but I do want some cards from it, so it, like this new release, will be a pass for me. I am allowed to hunt down the cards on their own. I'm also allowed to voice my opinion on the matter, and I have. Rather well too I might add. I should get a point or something. Or a cookie.

Anyways, more to the point is that it's not the new cards themselves that are a bummer, just the way it's released.

FFG had no idea how awesome Poe would be. The reprint may not be the best way to handle it, but it gives people options as to whether they want to sink points in a higher PS or not.

I gotta say that the PTL-BB8-Black One Poe will be the bane of many ships. In the current Reddit tournament (150pts, uniques only, all uniques have an EPT), I was considering a TL heavy group of Vess/OL/Inquisitor/Echo/Wampa but changed at the last minute for a trio of aggressors with advanced sensors.

My first matchup will be that Poe, a PS9 AB/AC Hera (with Zeb), and Jake Ferrell. Poe would have been able to potentially strip two of my TL per round, after I acquired them, that would have sucked hard. All three being PS9 would have been extra painful to that PS8 TL reliant list. As it is, I just plan on not using TL for that match at all, it's a wasted action.

As for most useless title *Slave 1* would like to have a word with you...

You crazy, friendo. Slave 1 will at least enable you to take Long Range Scanners on a firespray for free.

Most useless title? ST-321. Would you ever take that when you can spend those 3 valuable points on crew and systems upgrades? Nah.

EDIT: Honorable mentions for uselessness go out to the "Hounds Tooth" and the "Heavy Scyk" (you know, for being attached to a Scyk).

As for most useless title *Slave 1* would like to have a word with you...

You crazy, friendo. Slave 1 will at least enable you to take Long Range Scanners on a firespray for free.

Most useless title? ST-321. Would you ever take that when you can spend those 3 valuable points on crew and systems upgrades? Nah.

EDIT: Honorable mentions for uselessness go out to the "Hounds Tooth" and the "Heavy Scyk" (you know, for being attached to a Scyk).

Edited by LordFajubi

Ps9 Poe seems pretty strong if you use the old space noggin and realize it means he can take predator or lone wolf and not be auto porked when fighting 1v1 against imperial aces late game. R2d2, thrusters, lone wolf ps9 Poe is 41 points of actually scary ship rather than a dude who regen but hits like a nerd without some luck.

PS 9 predator compared to ye ole VI poe is a 4 points difference for -1 PS and an offensive re-roll :wacko:

LW is more useful due to synergy with the ability, the question is just finding the squad (ye ole boring 2-ship build) and whether or not it'll be enough to make an significant difference (against torpscouts, probably not)

Edited by ficklegreendice

I like em. Can't wait for the box to come out.

Funny enough, when Defenders come out and cause a new flavour of headache, I'll be happy to have a Regen Poe that can keep Vessery's touch of evil off himself or others.

Edited by CheapCreep

until you realize regen poe loses his focus ability because he has to boost to trigger black one :rolleyes:

The title is a really cool addition that fits very well with this set and makes sense in real game play. The additional card for Poe is fairly silly and unnecessary. Poe is a great pilot, but not the legendary status like Darth Vader or Wedge Antilles. At PS 8, he's right where he needs to be. There's really nothing about him that makes him any better than Luke Skywalker or Maarek Steele...or Boba Fett? Killing a bunch of TIE f/o scrubs is a day in a life of a Xwing pilot (not too mention silly, cinematic fan service).

The title is a really cool addition that fits very well with this set and makes sense in real game play. The additional card for Poe is fairly silly and unnecessary. Poe is a great pilot, but not the legendary status like Darth Vader or Wedge Antilles. At PS 8, he's right where he needs to be. There's really nothing about him that makes him any better than Luke Skywalker or Maarek Steele...or Boba Fett? Killing a bunch of TIE f/o scrubs is a day in a life of a Xwing pilot (not too mention silly, cinematic fan service).

but wait!

he also blasted some incredibly super-special awesome extra elite FO stormtroopers :P

seriously, the most skilled pilot in the movie was the FO chasing Poe during his trench run, who pulled up instead of smashing into the gap Poe slipped into. Any other tie would've just splat on it to make the hero look good. Must've been Omega Leader.

Edited by ficklegreendice

until you realize regen poe loses his focus ability because he has to boost to trigger black one :rolleyes:

Or that he can't take a focus or ditch a target lock because he got blocked.

I guess the thing I don't get is Poe gets a +1 PS and his cost goes up 2 points. Adaptability is free and gives him +1 PS, And VI is 1pt and gives him +2PS. So seems over priced for a +1 PS increase.

I guess the thing I don't get is Poe gets a +1 PS and his cost goes up 2 points. Adaptability is free and gives him +1 PS, And VI is 1pt and gives him +2PS. So seems over priced for a +1 PS increase.

Named X-Wings tend to pay 1 point per PS when it's their native PS. With only a single point cost difference, there would almost never be a reason to take PS8 Poe. By making that last point cost more than the normal scale it forces players to make a choice and decide whether the PS bid is worth making.

I guess the thing I don't get is Poe gets a +1 PS and his cost goes up 2 points. Adaptability is free and gives him +1 PS, And VI is 1pt and gives him +2PS. So seems over priced for a +1 PS increase.

needed to be inefficient not straight up replace the core set one

if the PS 9 poe were as or more efficient, that'd be a straight up GW-tier slap in the face "BUY OUR STUFF" scumbag move

so having a fairly worthless option in a box full of unspoiled goodies is far preferable, even if it doesn't make it any less of a lost opportunity

oh well, nobody's perfect

Edited by ficklegreendice

But, as we have seen from Veterans and Heroes of the Resistance, they are messing around with the formula a bit.

I guess the thing I don't get is Poe gets a +1 PS and his cost goes up 2 points. Adaptability is free and gives him +1 PS, And VI is 1pt and gives him +2PS. So seems over priced for a +1 PS increase.

needed to be inefficient not straight up replace the core set one

if the PS 9 poe were as or more efficient, that'd be a straight up GW-tier slap in the face "BUY OUR STUFF" scumbag move

so having a fairly worthless option in a box full of unspoiled goodies is far preferable, even if it doesn't make it any less of a lost opportunity

oh well, nobody's perfect

Also, PS 9 is a lot more useful than PS 8. The meta is full of amazing PS 8 pilots, being able to get ahead of them without needing a bid is a big deal. From there you can either buy a great EPT, or go all in anti-ace with VI. Does new-Poe replace old-Poe in every list? No. Would it have at only a one point difference? Probably.

That being said, I really dislike the decision to re-release Poe at PS 9. They should have either left him alone at PS 8 or baked the PS boost into the Black One title. As they "need" to also have a Poe pilot card in the box, they should have just included an alternate art PS 8 Poe in the new set.

But, as we have seen from Veterans and Heroes of the Resistance, they are messing around with the formula a bit.

not on Poe :P

they promised actually different han and chewie, though