Up until yesterday, I have been going with the conclusion, just like everyone else playing X-wing, that wording on both TLT and CLUSTER MISSILES meant that you were performing two separate attacks with the said upgrade card. This is not the case. The wording on each card says:

"ATTACK: "Perform this attack twice".

In both cases, the card represents one(1) attack with the performing all of the steps involved in resolving the attack and repeating those steps a second time. This does not mean you are doing two attacks, but rather you are doubling the outcome of the one attack.

A TLT attack is one firing of twin(2) laser cannon beams, each beam being a 3-dice roll. You roll for the first beam, applying all steps in combat then roll again for the second beam and repeat the process. The total is the final result of the one attack.

A CLUSTER MISSILE attack is the firing of one cluster missile that breaks down into two groups of three submunitions. You roll for the first group of three, applying all steps in combat then roll again for the second group of munitions and repeat the process. The total is the final result of the one attack.

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Now with this in mind, say you are involved a simultaneous attack with an opponent and you have TLT/CLUSTER MISSILE and GUNNER. If you have the initiative which result is suppose to occur?

#1) You miss with the TLT/CMs first roll, opponent gets to make his attack. If you survived, you complete the second roll (the end result doing one damage). Then apply GUNNER ability because you missed the first roll to the same or different target within the arc (or you dont because the second roll resulted with a damage).

Or

#1a) You miss with the TLT/CMs first roll, then apply GUNNER ability because you missed the first roll to the same or different target within the arc. Opponent gets to make his attack. If you survived, you complete the second roll (the end result doing one damage).

[This is the current situation with the rules in determining that TLT/CM cards actually represent two separate attacks]

#2) You complete both attack rolls from TLT/CM, opponent gets to make his attack. If you survived, then apply GUNNER ability only if both previous attack rolls missed, to the same or different target within the arc.

[This is how I interpet both how the TLT/CM cards work and the fact that GUNNER ability is counted as a separate attack and would have to go after the opponent made his simultaneous attack.]

#3) You complete both attack rolls from TLT/CM. If both rolls miss, Gunner ability kicks in and chooses which target to fire at. Afterwards, opponent with simultaneous attack goes.

[This could occur if GUNNER is meant to "immediately" follow after the TLT/CM missed completely. Note GUNNER can still choose between targets]

Which outcome is suppose to happen?

I believe the RAW answer is 1c, which is like 1b except the second ship doesn't activate and shoot until the ship with initiative has completed its activation and anything triggered by that (eg gunner).

Up until yesterday, I have been going with the conclusion, just like everyone else playing X-wing, that wording on both TLT and CLUSTER MISSILES meant that you were performing two separate attacks with the said upgrade card. This is not the case. The wording on each card says:

"ATTACK: "Perform this attack twice".

In both cases, the card represents one(1) attack with the performing all of the steps involved in resolving the attack and repeating those steps a second time. This does not mean you are doing two attacks, but rather you are doubling the outcome of the one attack.

I'd suggest reading the FAQ closely before you go further down this line of thinking.

I assume you mean Dengar here, as he's the only ship able to perform an attack during the combat phase simultaneously with another ship.

In that instance, it's not 100% clear, but I think the consensus is as follows (or was before the latest FAQ muddied the waters):

TLT first shot triggers Dengar. Dengar shoots. TLT second shot shoots *regardless of whether Dengar destroyed the ship doing the shooting*.

HOwever, as things currently stand it's *possible* that the interaction is dependent on initiative - i.e. Dengar only shoots before the second TLT shot if he has the initiative. If not, the second TLT shot (and possibly Gunner) resolves first.

Either way the interaction with Vader Crew and Cluster Missiles implies (without outright stating) that Dengar killing a ship between shots doesn't impede its ability to fire the second shot - or even the full TLT if we're talking about a BTL y-wing.

Suffice it to say this is a complex interaction that isn't entirely clear by RAW and needs FAQing.

Up until yesterday, I have been going with the conclusion, just like everyone else playing X-wing, that wording on both TLT and CLUSTER MISSILES meant that you were performing two separate attacks with the said upgrade card. This is not the case. The wording on each card says:

"ATTACK: "Perform this attack twice".

In both cases, the card represents one(1) attack with the performing all of the steps involved in resolving the attack and repeating those steps a second time. This does not mean you are doing two attacks, but rather you are doubling the outcome of the one attack.

I'd suggest reading the FAQ closely before you go further down this line of thinking.

Here is the FAQ from the latest ERRATA:

"Perform This Attack Twice

When a card effect instructs you to perform an attack twice, it means: “After

you perform this attack for the first time, perform another attack against the

same target using this weapon.” When performing the second attack, the

weapon and target are not declared again as they remain the same, and any

cost for the attacks is not paid again."

How does this conflict with what I posted? In both cases you are repeating the same action/attack against a single target. The end result after both actions/attacks will determine whether or not GUNNER is triggered. GUNNER is triggered on the result of the ATTACK: part of TLT and CM, not on each step of the "Perform this attack(action) twice" part.

Up until yesterday, I have been going with the conclusion, just like everyone else playing X-wing, that wording on both TLT and CLUSTER MISSILES meant that you were performing two separate attacks with the said upgrade card. This is not the case. The wording on each card says:

"ATTACK: "Perform this attack twice".

In both cases, the card represents one(1) attack with the performing all of the steps involved in resolving the attack and repeating those steps a second time. This does not mean you are doing two attacks, but rather you are doubling the outcome of the one attack.

I'd suggest reading the FAQ closely before you go further down this line of thinking.

Here is the FAQ from the latest ERRATA:

"Perform This Attack Twice

When a card effect instructs you to perform an attack twice, it means: “After

you perform this attack for the first time, perform another attack against the

same target using this weapon.” When performing the second attack, the

weapon and target are not declared again as they remain the same, and any

cost for the attacks is not paid again."

How does this conflict with what I posted? In both cases you are repeating the same action/attack against a single target. The end result after both actions/attacks will determine whether or not GUNNER is triggered. GUNNER is triggered on the result of the ATTACK: part of TLT and CM, not on each step of the "Perform this attack(action) twice" part.

No it's not. Never has been. Gunner is triggered by missing with an attack, of which TLT makes two.

You might be thinking of Munitions Failsafe which triggers off 'performing a secondary weapon attack that does not hit' which requires both Clust Missile attacks to miss before it can trigger. Miss means either attack misses, and doesn't care about the other. Does not hit means both have to miss to satisfy the condition.

But as noted, this clearly needs FAQing.