Rerolls

By AnalBuccaneer, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

When performing rerolls on multiple dice do you roll them one dice at a time? or all at once?

seems like a small technicality, but when performing multiple rerolls or other dice modifications, it can be a pretty big advantage to reroll one die at a time before choosing to reroll a subsequent dice...

i've seen people do it both ways...

When performing rerolls on multiple dice do you roll them one dice at a time? or all at once?

seems like a small technicality, but when performing multiple rerolls or other dice modifications, it can be a pretty big advantage to reroll one die at a time before choosing to reroll a subsequent dice...

i've seen people do it both ways...

Well, you should be resolving each effect individually...

The way the triggers work, even with say, Darth Vader, is "While attacking...." Which means you have to decide on how many, as you can only do it once for that attack ...

So you are not allowed to Roll 5 dice... Decide, "I'm going to Darth Vader now..."... Reroll one of them. Not like it, then reroll a different one due to Darth Vader... It would have to be something else that allows you...

Now, if you have different Dice Reroll effects, then sure, you resolve those effects individually... But you don't get to go back to the first effect...

So, let's say, our Theoretical Gladiator has Vader, Ordnance Experts, and a Concentrate Fire Token...

He rolls Blank, Blank, Hit, Hit.

He decides to Darth Vader...

He must decide right now, which of those Dice to reroll...

He elects to reroll the Blanks, and gets a Blank and a Hit/Cit. Leaving him with Blank, Hit, Hit, Hit/Crit.

Now, deciding to up his damage, he rerolls the blank with the Concentrate Fire Toekn.... Unfortunately, he Blanks out again ...

In a Fit of Rage, he decides to Ordnance Expert everything but the Hit/Crit... Getting Blank, Hit, Hit/Crit, Hit/Crit.

....

It would have been seriously advantageous for him to throw the dice one by one... That's why its not allowed ...

Edited by Drasnighta

thanks, thats what i thought, i just couldn't find conformation in the LTP or RRG...

thanks, thats what i thought, i just couldn't find conformation in the LTP or RRG...

It doesn't state it 100% black-and-smudge, but it does state with the timing, that it can't happen again for that instance of the event...

Which stops you spending 4 Tokens and Rerolling 4 times with Vader, for example...

Or just Rerolling Rerolls with Ordnance Expert, since they're free...

Page 5, RRG, Effect Use and Timing (Italic Emphasis Mine)

• A “when” effect occurs at the moment that the specified event occurs and cannot occur again for that instance of the event.

• A “while” effect can be resolved during the specified event and cannot occur again during that instance of the event.

• A “before” effect occurs immediately before the specified event and cannot occur again for that instance of the event.

• An “after” effect occurs immediately after the specified event and cannot occur again for that instance of the event.

Okay, i see the answer now, it's subtle, but clear.

attack step 3.1, Modify Dice: The attacker can resolve any of its effects that modify its dice.

although it doesnt state it expressly, "under effect use and timing" we can deduce that an "effect" is a card (which also specifically includes CF), and not the actual action of re-rolling...

so when the card states "reroll any number of dice" it is done as a single effect, which then is effected by what you stated: "... cannot occur during for that instance of the event."

i think that satisfies my OCD

EDIT:

ugh... i was just reading

Cumulative fleet supports?

i think my logic still stands, but "effect" would be the actual description on the the card, and not the card itself....

although when it comes to "multiple effects" it would seem is referring to the actual card as you can resolve the same effect as long as it is on separate/multiple cards.

EDIT 2:

actually, i think the reason you can resolve the same effect twice, contrary to the rule, is because technically they are occurring simultaneously. if they were not simultaneous, than i would assume only one would apply, though i cannot think of a situation this would happen.... just to be technical.

Edited by AnalBuccaneer