Can Sahla's hero feat target himself ?

By edcy, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

Pardon the nearly 1 month old necro, buuuuuut....

rugal you are correct sir!

Hey Luijod,

(A) The answer is (1) Sahla gains the ability to use another hero’s skill card for one turn, he does not gain a “copy" of that card.
(B) The answer is (2) Sahla summons his own Reanimate. He gains access to the Necromancer’s card, which allows him to summon and control 1 Reanimate, however he has not stopped the Necromancer from also using this card, which means the Necromancer still has a Reanimate “allowance” if you will (the “you” on the card individually refers to both Sahla and the Necromancer). Once Sahla’s turn is over, he loses access to to the summoning card and familiar itself, which also means he reduces his allowable familiars (granted by the card) from one to none, thus discarding his familiar.
Let me know if I missed anything!
Thanks for playing,
Kara Centell-Dunk
Game Developer
Fantasy Flight Games

Hmm... so a Reanimate needs a kind of "allowance" to exist? Good interpretation (sounds about how it's actually handled in video games like Path of Exile or Diablo) and seems to make sense. ^_^

Edited by Kaisho

Pardon the nearly 1 month old necro, buuuuuut....

rugal you are correct sir!

Hey Luijod,

(A) The answer is (1) Sahla gains the ability to use another hero’s skill card for one turn, he does not gain a “copy" of that card.
(B) The answer is (2) Sahla summons his own Reanimate. He gains access to the Necromancer’s card, which allows him to summon and control 1 Reanimate, however he has not stopped the Necromancer from also using this card, which means the Necromancer still has a Reanimate “allowance” if you will (the “you” on the card individually refers to both Sahla and the Necromancer). Once Sahla’s turn is over, he loses access to to the summoning card and familiar itself, which also means he reduces his allowable familiars (granted by the card) from one to none, thus discarding his familiar.
Let me know if I missed anything!
Thanks for playing,
Kara Centell-Dunk
Game Developer
Fantasy Flight Games

This *really* needs to be in an official FAQ, as this ruling has no foundation in any of the existing published material. There was no concept of an 'allowance' for familiars, nor any precedent that once someone loses access to a card that lets them summon a familiar, then the familiar itself is immediately destroyed.

I'm disappointed with this ruling, as it makes copying the familiar summon cards mostly pointless, but I will adopt it nonetheless..

I was further disappointed to hear that if, say, a Knight uses the Advance card and exhausts it, then Sahla cannot use it himself until it is refreshed by the Knight.

I mourn how I used to be able to play Sahla...

At any rate.. thank you Luijod for asking the question and posting the response. Its appreciated.

I continue to wonder about Sahla and things like Elixir tokens and Valor tokens he acquires through copying those skills. Are these his tokens that are lost at the end of his turn, or do they belong to the original card's owner and inherit any special bonuses they provide from other cards the owners have?

Edited by Charmy

I would rule that elixir or valor tokens stay. The allowance of such things is set by the supply. It doesn't matter how you acquired them. The familiar is different because (this distinction has been made before) all of the necro's cards refer to "YOUR reanimate..." Sahla's reanimate is not the necro's. When sahla's feat expires, there is no skill in play allowing HIS reanimate to exist. If his "valor" skill went away, there is still an active valor token skill.

Edited by Zaltyre

Also, I do not think Sahla cannot copy an exhausted skill. Kara's answer clearly says Sahla gains a "copy" of that skill... There is no "advance" allowance. Someone who has the skill can use it.

Edited by Alarmed

This *really* needs to be in an official FAQ, as this ruling has no foundation in any of the existing published material. There was no concept of an 'allowance' for familiars, nor any precedent that once someone loses access to a card that lets them summon a familiar, then the familiar itself is immediately destroyed.

I'm disappointed with this ruling, as it makes copying the familiar summon cards mostly pointless, but I will adopt it nonetheless..

I was further disappointed to hear that if, say, a Knight uses the Advance card and exhausts it, then Sahla cannot use it himself until it is refreshed by the Knight.

I mourn how I used to be able to play Sahla...

At any rate.. thank you Luijod for asking the question and posting the response. Its appreciated.

I continue to wonder about Sahla and things like Elixir tokens and Valor tokens he acquires through copying those skills. Are these his tokens that are lost at the end of his turn, or do they belong to the original card's owner and inherit any special bonuses they provide from other cards the owners have?

I've emailed Kara to clarify the question about how Sahla's Feat works with Exhaustible cards.

And Charmy, I'm sorry guy, I didn't mean to "gimp" Sahla for you :(

I still think there can be situations where summoning the Reanimate/Wolf would be useful. Maybe Sahla is Immobilized and failed the Willpower test so using the familiar would allow him to pull off a much needed attack? Situational? Yes, but I still think his Feat is crazy useful no matter how the ruling on Exhausted cards turns out.

I would rule that elixir or valor tokens stay. The allowance of such things is set by the supply. It doesn't matter how you acquired them. The familiar is different because (this distinction has been made before) all of the necro's cards refer to "YOUR reanimate..." Sahla's reanimate is not the necro's. When sahla's feat expires, there is no skill in play allowing HIS reanimate to exist. If his "valor" skill went away, there is still an active valor token skill.

I didn't remember to ask about this, however the logic behind Zaltyre's interpretation seems solid to me.