RAC- adaptability, Engine upgrade, gunner, Darth Vader.
Whisper- FCS,ACD,VI,agent kallus.
Aces lists? Whats that? You mean those little ten minute warm up matches?
I'm not even sure there's a skill element involved. Start out with a 5 straight and a boost,then start serving the pain.
There might be something out there that hard counters this list but I haven't seen it.
TLT lists are probably it but ....they went away or something.
Triple U-Boat could handle it. Brobots would probably be ~50/50 if loaded out properly.
RAC- adaptability, Engine upgrade, gunner, Darth Vader.
Whisper- FCS,ACD,VI,agent kallus.
Aces lists? Whats that? You mean those little ten minute warm up matches?
I'm not even sure there's a skill element involved. Start out with a 5 straight and a boost,then start serving the pain.
There might be something out there that hard counters this list but I haven't seen it.
TLT lists are probably it but ....they went away or something.
I've been play testing this exact list the last few weeks and strongly considering it for an upcoming regional. It completely destroys aces. Triple Jumps would definitely bring it down fast so you better dodge arcs!
RAC- adaptability, Engine upgrade, gunner, Darth Vader.
Whisper- FCS,ACD,VI,agent kallus.
Aces lists? Whats that? You mean those little ten minute warm up matches?
I'm not even sure there's a skill element involved. Start out with a 5 straight and a boost,then start serving the pain.
There might be something out there that hard counters this list but I haven't seen it.
TLT lists are probably it but ....they went away or something.
It's a decent list. Variations of it are showing up, including that exact version, so I'd actually think about losing Kallus to instead put VI on RAC. As much as it stinks not to be able to make your activation interchangeable, shooting at the enemy Whisper before she can cloak up will really put some pain into the mirror match.
Indeed why bother with a lesser evil?
Back to palp aces
Doesn't Triple Scouts completely melt this?
I play this as well. It is a hard counter to Aces, yes, but it struggles against ANYTHING with mediocre damage output AND hull/shields. There's just not enough RAC to go around for all the Vaders that you *could* do.
Swarms aren't that scary but with ordinance, expect RAC to die fast.
This is one of my all-time lists so I'd love to hear some variations of this list that stand up to U-Boats.
We have a player in our meta who placed top 16 at Worlds last year and this is his beloved list. Unfortunately for him the Bukwark of our meta is 2 U-boats with a Slaver w/ Dengar, Zuckuss and 4-LOM. And that list eats RAC and Whisper for lunch. He's sad.
RAC- adaptability, Engine upgrade, gunner, Darth Vader.
Whisper- FCS,ACD,VI,agent kallus.
Aces lists? Whats that? You mean those little ten minute warm up matches?
I'm not even sure there's a skill element involved. Start out with a 5 straight and a boost,then start serving the pain.
There might be something out there that hard counters this list but I haven't seen it.
TLT lists are probably it but ....they went away or something.
I've been play testing this exact list the last few weeks and strongly considering it for an upcoming regional. It completely destroys aces. Triple Jumps would definitely bring it down fast so you better dodge arcs!
I'm running it for sure at regionals. I used it at a s.c. two days after adaptability hit shelves. I'm really happy with it.
The one tweak I will probably make is to remove kallus. I tend to forget to use him or I've been against lists that don't need it.
That said, I'm undecided what to do with the points. The VI sounds like the best use of the points. Or maybe bank em for initiative.
But yes...u boats. Very scared of that. Haven't played against them yet. I'll probably take my lumps when they show up but just hope the regional scene is filled mostly with aces instead.
It's a crappy gamble. But other than brobots, I'm not super comfortable playing anything else. I don't have time to practices palp aces.
You'll do fine against Palp Aces.
One thing you should be cautious of is your MoV though.
Depending on how high your Regionals cap is, MoV might be a huge factor in determining your Swiss rank.
Try not to throw that RAC away unless you have to - 60 points is a lot to lose.
It's solid and the 99 pt bid is nice since you have 2 nines.
Doesn't Triple Scouts completely melt this?
Yes. Decimators (and VCX) go down extremely fast even against just their PWTs and then it's Whisper vs the world.
Whisper can pull this off i guess, but the odds will not be in her favor most of the time.
Those are the odds she loves.
I had a ton of success with this variation
Rac adaptability vader engine palp
Whisper vi fcs acd
I think palp is better then the agent because palp. An help your green dice against anything. With this list, if you keep whisper out of arc then palp is just more damage! I usually target lock with rac if I don't need to boost. Went 4 and 2 with it at a recent regional. My loses were for sure my own mistakes( one being a really tired last game where interceptors kept rolling triple evades, the other I fell into a trap with mux) but the list is savage. Killed a triple aces build in ten minutes. But I recommend trying it out.
The only reason I'm not bringing RAC Fel is because I know this will be when I hit any of the number of Trip Jump players in our area. I've only gone up against them once and positioned my Palp Aces so wrong they melted immediately, and have ever since considered them boogey men.
Bringing a list that begs to be nuked makes me shudder, despite it being an absolute monster against Aces, which I'm FAR more likely to run into.
Honestly, I'd like to see some solid Ace strats against this list, because it IS becoming more popular. I think using the shuttle as a primary aggressor for the Deci is probably a decent choice, but it's not going to stay on target long enough, really, to help.
Let's see, if the shuttle can get first shots, say w/ Palp, maybe we tag for two damage. Next round, if the aces (Soontir & Inq are common enough) join in the shooting, you could expect something like 7 more hits, right?
I guess that's not awful, but you have to get lucky with the crits that WILL be dropped on Soontir, which is a horrible thing to count on.
Bah, I love and loathe the Gunner/Vader Deci list.
My old list. Even flew variations with Vader in place of Whisper.
Too many hard-counters right now for my taste - to bring it back on the table.
Man, I dig that Palpatine version...I just may give that a whirl.
I know I want to drop kallus... Maybe pulling gunner and adding palp is the comfy setting I'm looking for.
Try Oicunn instead of RAC.
59/58 Oicunn w/ Predator, Gunner, Vader, [Dauntless/Intel], Engine.
41 Whisper w/ VI, FCS, Kallus, ACD.
I've run Oicunn (EH, Gunner, Vader) quite a lot, and in the aces matchup I've never found high PS to be necessary. You just move so that you block one ace's ability to turn in and attack (usually Vadar) and take shots at the other (usually Soontir). Also people are terrified of Oicunn's bump ability, and it makes them fly silly.