I swear I've read through this thread but I can't remember if this argument against has been raised. Bringing the tech slot in on the E-wing means all tech upgrades current and future have to be tested against system upgrades, and all future system upgrades have to be tested against tech, and all because of one ship.

Limiting system to Civil War era / Legends ships and tech to TFA and beyond ships saves on a whole lot of work. It also gives the designers to revisit ideas from system upgrades in tech without creating redundant or overlapping things.

I'm not opposed to discounted tech upgrades on E-wings, just posting a reason as to why they might restrict tech to TFA ships onwards.

I'd suggest that the Tech slot should replace the System slot in this proposed "Series IV" E-wing, largely to avoid avaktor's dilemma and the Corran problem at the same time. What if it also took up the Astro slot? that would radically change it's use on Corran if he wanted it at all...

The issue with the E-Wing isn't that it lacks slots or flexibility. The issue is that it's too expensive for what it is. IMO, they need to add an E-Wing only upgrade that reduces points, but consumes a slot (system or astromech). Maybe toss in an extra action (similar to what they did for the Defender x7, but for a slot, not title).

By consuming one of the main slots, it would prevent Corran from becoming overpowered, but it would revitalize Etahn and the generics.

I can see it on the E-wing but I wouldn't want to see it anywhere else off of the TFA ships.

I think I agree. Hmm...

Corran Horn (35)

+ FCS (2)

+ Juke (2)

+ Comm Relay (3)

+ R2-D2 (4)

Hella offense, but 46 points with only 5 (regenerating) health!

I would add an extra shield for the 4 points.....

Dear OP,

No they do not, they need a cost reduction to be in line with their statline + dial

I'd suggest that the Tech slot should replace the System slot in this proposed "Series IV" E-wing, largely to avoid avaktor's dilemma and the Corran problem at the same time. What if it also took up the Astro slot? that would radically change it's use on Corran if he wanted it at all...

That is almost exactly what I said twice on the 1st page of the topic.

Reminded me of the time I lost horribly to a generic E-wing with Juke and Sensor Jammer:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/188596-so-i-got-crushed-by-a-generic-e-wing-yesterday/

I wonder if people use this equation -

If x= I like this ship, then x= YES

If x=I do not like this ship the x=NO

As people have stated that upgrade would make Horn even more Hornier which kills balance, but the E Wing needs something to make it playable with other pilots. There is only one pilot people use which normally spells problems for developers.

I wonder if people use this equation -

If x= I like this ship, then x= YES

If x=I do not like this ship the x=NO

As people have stated that upgrade would make Horn even more Hornier which kills balance, but the E Wing needs something to make it playable with other pilots. There is only one pilot people use which normally spells problems for developers.

It would be y=YES/NO . Not X. f(x)=y. I like the ship =/= Yes, but f(I like the ship)=Yes .

I prefer it staying on the TFA-period ships, reducing the need to chase more expansions of ridiculously-derivative models just to buy cards for ships I *do* like...

I also think tech should stay as an era specific slot.

So what about the prequel era factions? How about artifact slots for Republic and CIS factions?

Series IV E-wing is in the roughly the same era (might even be a good name for the title).

Same era but different universe. For better explanation see instructional video below.

Hey if they can add Star Wars style mindless action into Star Trek, why not add Star Trek style irrelevant tehcnobabble into Star Wars?

Now if E-wings and K-wings ever made it into Episode 8 (highly doubt it) I could see a title that gives it a tech slot. However until then I think EU is out of TFA stuff. Think of them as the secret weapons of WW2 that never made it into the war but that doesn't stop us from putting them in our WW2 Videogames!

Yeah, sorry Marinealver, that argument is quite bad. not the same universe so the tech doesnt upgrade...especially since its the same game we are playing and at least it is the same era.

Now if there were restrictions on stuff in the game, like no Emperor with any TIE/FO's, or no Tie Defenders if you are also using the Tie Advanced Prototype (since they'd of been phased out by then), or no E-wings or K-wings with T-70s (as said above by GreatMaziinkaiser), then your argument would hold water. But there are no such rules or restrictions so your argument is invalid.

At least the Ewing is of the right era to have the Tech Slot, and its not like we are wanting to see FFG giving it to something such as the Z-95

Well TFA Tech might as well be in a different quantum reality therefore not the same era. quantum reality is linearly independent from time so it doesn't matter if the EU quantum reality is in the same year ABY as the TFA quantum reality. Just because the vector E-wing exists subspace EU does not meant that it will exist in subspace TFA . Likewise the tech slot upgrade that exists in subspace TFA does not mean that it will exist in subspace EU.

Unless Disney places in the E-wing in the TFA there is no intersections between the subspaces. As for all the strange interactions in X-wing where you have Biggs fighting against Zeta Squadron of the 1 ^st Order. Well refer to the video below.

X-wing is piratically the worst episode(According to Mr. Plinket) in TNG. But we like it anyways.

E-Wing only 2 point Astromech that provides a tech slot and a 2 point reduction on the squad point cost of a tech slot upgrade.

I don't even know that the Astromech would need to be E-Wing specific. I don't really see an issue with Y-Wings or X-Wings getting access to the current tech slot upgrades.

Okay so I discovered that the one thing worse than sensor jammer and juke is Twin Laser Turret and Juke. Now, this only works on Kyle for the rebels, and that makes me sad.

Marinealver, no, just no. Stop bringing in all the Sar trek references to supportyour argument for not wanting tech o nthe Ewing. I appreciate Star Trke (a lot, in some ways as uch as Star Wars- yeah probably blashemy on these forums). but the argument to not let the E-wing have a tech slot by your thinking is just plain bad. Again I appreicate the refrences, and even the train of tohught, but let it go....we just want the Tech slot on a New Republic era ship for game purposes.

Hell I and a bunch of others are still upset the EU got canned, we did afterall spend almost 30 years readingand thinking and playing games about it. You may even be one of them.

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I also get the feeling you are just trolling, but hey if that your hing, then fine, at least you have a fun way of bringing in Star Trek to do it, and I say more power to you.

But maybe they have the EU has the same type of advances and just go about them a different way and still have the tech slot, or should have it. Hell maybe for all we know we'll have Ewings show up somewhere in the New Republic or Resistance, flying along side T-85 Xwings.

Sadly with the way some people seem to be now adays only Ties and Xwings (and not Awings) are the only ships we can have in the new Trilogy since they have to be super recognizable to the casual viewer (which is stupid, since it limits what we might get in the future in the new expanded cannon as a whole).

E-Wing only 2 point Astromech that provides a tech slot and a 2 point reduction on the squad point cost of a tech slot upgrade.

I don't even know that the Astromech would need to be E-Wing specific. I don't really see an issue with Y-Wings or X-Wings getting access to the current tech slot upgrades.

I think people want it E-wng only (like i do) to give the Ew-ing a needed boost, and also to limit the Tech slot to New Republic Era(or either legends or canon) fighters..and I'm fine with that.

If anything the only tech slot upgrade that should be on the Xwing, is the Weapons Guidance (ala targetting computer Luke and the other Xwings and Ywings use in IV)...but then in my opinion it shouldnt have been a Tech upgrade for that one.

As for the droid- I say make it another generic R7 droid- which is supposed to be fluff wise an Ewing only one anyway, or an R8 droid- a astro that was made to fix problems of the R7-( by being only for the Ewing), so the R8 was able to interfece wih later xwing (and XJ Xwing) models.

Plus if it Ewing only and makes the tech slot go down, in cost, then the Ewing might be taking them and become quite good on generics, especially since Corran Horn likely wont take it over the R2-D2 build he currently wants.

E-Wing only 2 point Astromech that provides a tech slot and a 2 point reduction on the squad point cost of a tech slot upgrade.

I don't even know that the Astromech would need to be E-Wing specific. I don't really see an issue with Y-Wings or X-Wings getting access to the current tech slot upgrades.

I think people want it E-wng only (like i do) to give the Ew-ing a needed boost, and also to limit the Tech slot to New Republic Era(or either legends or canon) fighters..and I'm fine with that.

Yeah, seemed the only reason that you'd restrict it to the E-Wing is for some sort of fluff reason. Personally, I don't care what they end up putting tech slots on as long as it makes sense from a game balance perspective.

Of course my opinion is going to be a little skewed when it comes to fluff. I play a miniatures game that just happened to be Star Wars themed as opposed to a lot of folks around here that play a Star Wars game that happens to use miniatures.

Corran would be so broken with comm relay.

Not if it was restricted to E-wings with non-unique astromechs. Corran without regen would not be broken with tech.

Not if it was restricted to E-wings with non-unique astromechs. Corran without regen would not be broken with tech.

Which is why the best suggestion is to make it a Astro that is E-wing only and grants a Tech slot, as I and others have all said.

It also stops other possible broken combos if a droid of some sort were also to make things get out of hand with some as yet to be created tech slot.

Am I the only one that has never really had that much trouble with Corran? Because I haven't. Yes he is a good ship, but if I'm spending 40+ points on something it had better **** well be good. Though especially in the current meta, there are a lot more terrifying ships to me. Even cheap Corran builds end up costing as much as a well-kitted Whisper, and if he can't take regeneration he is literal garbage as every other regen Rebel ace is. So any fix that prevents taking R2-D2 is dead in the water I think. Not to mention being very stiff on his dial if he sticks to greens.

Giving them a tech slot would help some I think. A free comms relay would help the generics a lot actually. The major problem with generic E-wings though is that they're 3-4 points overcosted. Giving them more options to spend points doesn't help. I'd actually be fine with doing a Imperial Vets with them and giving them a PS5 with EPT that was properly costed with the fix.

Marinealver, no, just no. Stop bringing in all the Sar trek references to supportyour argument for not wanting tech o nthe Ewing. I appreciate Star Trke (a lot, in some ways as uch as Star Wars- yeah probably blashemy on these forums). but the argument to not let the E-wing have a tech slot by your thinking is just plain bad. Again I appreicate the refrences, and even the train of tohught, but let it go....we just want the Tech slot on a New Republic era ship for game purposes.

Hell I and a bunch of others are still upset the EU got canned, we did afterall spend almost 30 years readingand thinking and playing games about it. You may even be one of them.

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I also get the feeling you are just trolling, but hey if that your hing, then fine, at least you have a fun way of bringing in Star Trek to do it, and I say more power to you.

But maybe they have the EU has the same type of advances and just go about them a different way and still have the tech slot, or should have it. Hell maybe for all we know we'll have Ewings show up somewhere in the New Republic or Resistance, flying along side T-85 Xwings.

Sadly with the way some people seem to be now adays only Ties and Xwings (and not Awings) are the only ships we can have in the new Trilogy since they have to be super recognizable to the casual viewer (which is stupid, since it limits what we might get in the future in the new expanded cannon as a whole).

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As of now Tech slots are Resistance and 1 ^st Order slots only much like illicit is scum only. E-wings are Rebel Alliance ships. Until there is a Resistance E-wing the EU ship won't get TFA stuff! The only person that can make E-wings a Resistance ship is Disney, and unless Disney says so you telling me my arguments are invalid because they do not confer with your opinion will not give the E-wing a tech slot.

However I would like to see the E-wing as a resistance ship. Maybe a Resistance E-wing expansion pack with new generics that have the tech slot and 2 new resistance pilots (or old like Ten Nunb).

Maybe we should petition Disney to put the E-wing in Episode 8? Uh oh incoming E-wing hatters which are gonna hate!

Not if it was restricted to E-wings with non-unique astromechs. Corran without regen would not be broken with tech.

He actually would be broken with that. Just broken the other, more useless way.

Their is a black E wing lego kit that has the top gun as a swivel turret

EDIT: apparently that's a clone wars ship

Their is a black E wing lego kit that has the top gun as a swivel turret

EDIT: apparently that's a clone wars ship

Jek-14 Stealth Starfighter

But yeah it looks like an E-wing doesn't it? Well Wave 4 did come out with Z-95 headhunters. Maybe E-wings were not the newest fighter out there but instead what ever mothballed creation from Incom hidden storehouses.

Their is a black E wing lego kit that has the top gun as a swivel turret

EDIT: apparently that's a clone wars ship

Jek-14 Stealth Starfighter

But yeah it looks like an E-wing doesn't it? Well Wave 4 did come out with Z-95 headhunters. Maybe E-wings were not the newest fighter out there but instead what ever mothballed creation from Incom hidden storehouses.

Ah yes, I do remember the E-wing fighting alongside the republic clone troopers in all those novels and videogames, with the TIE Defender blasting those clankers to bits...

Wait I don't remember this at all!

As of now Tech slots are Resistance and 1 ^st Order slots only much like illicit is scum only. E-wings are Rebel Alliance ships. Until there is a Resistance E-wing the EU ship won't get TFA stuff! The only person that can make E-wings a Resistance ship is Disney, and unless Disney says so you telling me my arguments are invalid because they do not confer with your opinion will not give the E-wing a tech slot.

However I would like to see the E-wing as a resistance ship. Maybe a Resistance E-wing expansion pack with new generics that have the tech slot and 2 new resistance pilots (or old like Ten Nunb).

Maybe we should petition Disney to put the E-wing in Episode 8? Uh oh incoming E-wing hatters which are gonna hate!

No your argument was invalid regardless of Disney's choice to make Tech on NR Ewings and other ships, because you made it about parallel universes...according to Disney there isnt really a parallel univers, there is just some things that were created before they got the license,that are no longer valid in their eyes.

Oh and as for your argument about only Scum getting Ilicit slots, well that is invalid now all due to the Smuggling Compartments upgrade on the new Falcon i the Resistance box, now yes it is only one ship, and maybe also the YT-2400 (we cant read it fully), but non-Scum can now have te Illicit upgraes (or at least a few).

Why did you say Ten Numb? its clearly Nien Numb on the card in the Heroes of the Resistance Box, and also is clearly him in the credits of TFA. If its a joke then let me know too.

Now lets please move on, and stop arguing/debating. Especially since we seem to have 2 common grounds, liking Star Trek, and the E-wing.

If you make a petition like that, let me know, I'll gladly sign it. And i'm sure there will be E-wing haters, just like how there are plenty of haters of other good ships on these boards.

Yes, I'd like to see a Resitance E-wing too, and I'd like it to have a tech slot, as a possible part of a fix, or just an option for it, along with some other sort of "fix".

I'm surprised at the number of people who want the tech slot limited to sequel era ships. I, personally, would LOVE for the tech upgrade to be available on the E-Wing and Defender (as both are advanced ships) so as to tie the new movies into the old ones more closely. As it currently stands, Star Wars VERY MUCH feels like "all the original stuff" over there and "all the stuff from the new movies" over here. There is a sharp dividing line. Something like giving tech to the advanced ships from the old EU would make the 2 eras feel much more like a single continuity, rather than 2 separate but related franchises like they do now.

I don't, however, think it is going to happen. As has been pointed out, there are some balance concerns that I think FFG simply won't want to deal with and they may be wanting to reserve the slot for ST ships for internal reasons that don't matter a whole lot to us but do to them.

Corran would be so broken with comm relay.

I dunno. He needs three evades to avoid having his shields stripped by the plasma torp. Which he probably gets, but more often than not he uses both tokens to do it. If there's a second torpedo that turn he pops more often than not.

Five health behind three greens without thrusters or the emperor isn't what it used to be. Also, Wampatine isn't a hard counter, but it sure is scary.

If an E had a tech slot I'd be far more tempted to buy TFA era packs - at the moment I'm 50/50 whether I'll bother.