Proxy "ing" cards, personal dilemma

By Fuzzywookie, in X-Wing

I don't understand this logic. The guy who bought the card "deserves" to win because he paid money for it. The guy who printed it does not. Is that what tournaments should be about? The who who paid the most money for cards deserves to win? Never mind that the printed card guy played better? How on earth does paying for a rebel transport honour the TO anyway?

Where does your logic extend too? The best player didn't want to drive 40 minute and pay the $10 to join the tourney in the first place so should the person who pays the most money wins?

why not take it to extremes? would it be acceptable if somebody showed up with a bunch of micro machines and printed cards, home made cut up brown cardboard templates and 8 sided dice that had home made scribbles on them to represent the various hits crits etc?

That just not "extreme" that is "very extreme". What if the guy had all of his cards and minis stolen by a pixie or eaten by a land shark?

Fly casual, guys.

Personally, I don't care if my opponent uses a T-65 as a T-70, has all printed out lists or borrows stuff from me. It's not like it would alter the game. But what really helps is clarifying those things beforehand. As an imperial player, I have a hard time justifying the 100 bucks for those two cards on the raider or even much less for those stupid autothrusters on the StarViper. I mean, imagine explaining this to somebody who isn't into X-Wing at all:

Me: "Look, I just bought this really huge ship, cost a ton of money though."

Person B (we'll just call her "wife" for simplicity's sake): "Looks kinda cool, what does it do?"

Me: "I don't really know, I don't actually plan on using it."

Wife: "So why'd you buy it then?"

Me: "Well, there are these two awesome cards that come with it."

Wife: "You mean like the ones you already have about a thousand of?"

Me: "Um. Kind of. But these are..."

Wife: "I'll f******g divorce you."

Before you start pitying me, my wife is really cool about X-Wing, because she loves Star Wars, too. But whenever I'm tempted to throw out an ass full of money for something I don't really need, I first play out that little scene in my head. Helps a ton.

I've spent a lot of money on X-Wing. I never play with things I don't have. I love playing. When someone plays a list for a few weeks and not get the cards. Drives me nuts. Am I the only one who feels this way? I hope not. Buy the dang ships peeps. I do.

You are fortunate to have the financial stability to be able to pay $15 just for one upgrade card. But not everyone can afford to suffer through FFGs asinine system of buying entire ships you don't want just to get an upgrade you need.

Edited by DarthEnderX

I've spent a lot of money on X-Wing. I never play with things I don't have. I love playing. When someone plays a list for a few weeks and not get the cards. Drives me nuts. Am I the only one who feels this way? I hope not. Buy the dang ships peeps. I do.

You are fortunate to have the financial stability to be able to pay $15 just for one upgrade card. But not everyone can afford to suffer through FFGs asinine system of buying entire ships you don't want just to get an upgrade you need.

15$ for a card is only half-bad. If your interests for example competitive 100 points Imperial squads, it might even go up to 33-100 $ per cr4d, depending whether you consider only Palpatine or the Advanced fix too as top tier competitive cards from the Raider.

So, While I've very much you should just spend the money and get the official cards/Ships/Gear. I understand we are getting very close to where casual inspection won't let people be able to tell the differences.

I've seen a guy who printed off a color Sensor Jammer Card using a graphic found online, on some card stock, double sided, and carefully cut it out. And put it in a sleeve.

Unless you pull the card out, and really look at it, and have some knowledge of the matter, I would challenge most to tell his card apart from a real card.

Now the down side is that he spent about 2 hours printing and cutting, but for him it was worth it over buying another Lamba for another sensor Jammer.

But the real point is that its basically undetectable. And at some point fairly soon, I expect home 3D printing is going to put ships in the same category. And if your printing Upgrade cards, the rest of this isn't too hard to do either.

So basically if your going to flaunt the rules, at least do it right. Make it look official. Spend the extra time. If you do, chances extremely high that no one will even know if you use them, and it makes this discussion moot.

But if you do use the fake stuff, and your DQ'ed, take it like a man and move on. You knew the rules.

I proxy in my flgs - although most people are kind enough to lend me cards.

The only ones I really proxy though is R5-P9 - transport is too expensive and the songle card is like unicorn poop.

Never proxy a ship - with the exception of T65 and T70, or a tie and tie F/O - I view them as interchangable.