I ask this so i can be 100% firm in my decisions in tournaments from here on out. Im one of the nicest players you will ever meet, but I've loss several games by allowing my opponents to "take back missed actions & Etc"

In casual thats cool, but I've decided that no matter what anyone else thinks i will no longer allow that in tournament settings. Be they local or far away regional events & the like.

That is your responsibility as a fellow player, not mine.

My first question is on verbal & physical spending of evade or focus tokens.

I rolled 4 hits against my opponent & he rolls "Evade Focus Focus" He says he will spend his focus token,he removes the token from the table then flips all focus to evades. He then says he will spend his evade token & also removes that from the table also.

At that point i pick up my dice to roll for gunner & he says wait, i wont spend the evade token, & he places it back by his ship.

I call for the judge & she says there isnt a solid ruling for a situation like this, but she says it is up to me to decide if he can take back the action or not. I tell her he verbalized his actions & removed both tokens from the table. When we boost or barrel roll, as soon as the template touches the table, you are commited to that move as long as it is legal. Why should it be any different if you removed a token from the table?

So i said he was commited & i rolled gunner.

Here comes the 2nd mishap. (My opponent is understandably upset about the judge allowing me to make the ruling)

I roll another 3 hits & a crit, he rolls 2 evades & a blank. So he goes to remove 2 shields from his Vader & there are no shields on him....

His omega leader has shields, his Defender has shields, but Vader does not. I dont recall shooting vader prior to that & he cant either. So feeling a little sorry for him, i allow him to put shields on, then immediately take them back off.

Step 7 of setting up for a game says clearly "activate shields"

In the missed opportunities section of the rulebook it clearly states that if you miss the timing window for a action, you cannot retrospectively go back & fix it without your opponents consent.

I felt bad so i let him fix it, but as per the rules I didnt have to. I missed the timing window for my rebel captive several times that day, but i didnt ask to go back & fix it, i simply stated i missed it & oh well.

Am i right about how these are ruled? Despite how "mean or cruel" they may be?

On a added note, my opponent wasnt a new player by any means & he also was dishonest. When walking around the table to do a boost with my Soontir fel i was blocked by some players watching the table beside us, & as i got past them i saw my opponent removing his hand from beside Omega leader. (We all know how Omega leader works & how just like with dark curse, a Target lock is a useless thing against him, especially when he has you locked) So explain to me why my XX target lock was now on Omega leader when all game he has had me target locked & ive been shooting Vader with my Decimator.... Im a veteran player & i dont do that.

I looked my opponent straight in his eyes & firmly told him, "Why would i ever target lock Omega leader? Its pointless, this Lock was on Vader". I then slide the lock a good range 2 distance back to vader, & my opponent says nothing.

I love Xwing & will contiue to play for years to come, but i refuse to drive almost 8 hours to a regional event just to help my opponent beat me & also find out hes not honest.

Never again.

1: I'd probably take a second to remind my opponent I had Gunner before moving to Compare Results. It's easy to forget what your opponent has especially in a long day's play, so I wouldn't mind him taking back an evade token to let a hit through.

2: Strict RAW, if he forgets to put his shields on, he forgets, but you'd be a giant jerk to not let him later on, especially if it's obvious you haven't shot at him yet. Many if not most casual matches I forget to add shield tokens to my ships until I take my first damage. This is a game of skill, not a game of 'ha ha you forgot I win'. Having said that, at a regional championship, I'd expect people to enfore this kind of thing, and be more careful about it.

3: It's easy to get TLs mixed up, especially on small base ships. It's best, especially in tournament play, to keep a firm track on them by auditing all the tokens assigned to a ship after movement is complete, and checking with your opponent that they're happy with it.

Remember, it's both players' responsibility to make sure mandatory effects and TLs/token stacks are maintained correctly.

So i said he was commited & i rolled gunner.

There's no rule that says when someone is committed to a given action in general. I think there needs to be a point in which someone can't take back an action, but the way the that point is defined for most actions is when you gain some sort of information in the process of performing it.

For example if you TL you check for range, if you barrel roll you move you ship... When you decide to use an evade... You don't really gain any new information. The fact that you had gunner was already known and so I'd say the other person wasn't really committed, not until you rolled the dice. Once that happened, assuming you gave them a moment or two to consider their options it was too late. But since you didn't roll them I as a TO would of likely said they weren't committed to that action.

Step 7 of setting up for a game says clearly "activate shields"

This isn't a missed opportunity, adding shields is not optional and as such any time you can reasonably go back and fix a missed mandatory action you should. That means it wasn't up to you if he gets to put those shield tokens on or not.

That all said, the fact that he tried to move a TL does mean you have to consider the other actions in a different light. If he would do something like that, he may of 'forgot' to put on the shield tokens... In the hope you'd attack Vader thinking he had no shields when he really did. It would at least if I were the TO make me consider giving him a 2nd strike.

I can understand getting target locks mixed up but its Omega leader. Do you ever target lock him? Plus vader was an easy range 2 away from omega, thats no mix up on a TL.

Why should i have to remind you "hey ive got rebel captive, you sure you wamt to shoot me with whisper? Hey ive got gunner, i wouldnt spend all if your tokens if i were you, hey i have an ion bomb, dont get too close behind me" Not meaning it in a rude way, but that isnt my job, thats yours.

Shields, yeah i can do a better job of making sure we are all set before the game starts, but again, not my responsibility.

Casual is casual. If im flying at worlds, Im there to play against the best, not lend a helping hand.

TL;DR: What thespaceinvader said.

My first question is on verbal & physical spending of evade or focus tokens.

The judge was right that there's no rule for how to deal with this, other than the "missed opportunity" rule. In the narrow sense, it's legal to deny an opponent the opportunity to "take back" a decision, especially if the token has already come off the table.

On the other hand, my personal rule is that decisions aren't final until the game state changes. If you've already rolled for Gunner, that's one thing, but if nothing has actually happened yet I'd be inclined to let my opponent "un-spend" the evade token.

Step 7 of setting up for a game says clearly "activate shields"

In my opinion, this isn't an optional effect, so there's no missed opportunity. The first time either player realize a particular ship doesn't have shield tokens, that ship should be assigned the correct number of tokens.

On a added note, my opponent wasnt a new player by any means & he also was dishonest. When walking around the table to do a boost with my Soontir fel i was blocked by some players watching the table beside us, & as i got past them i saw my opponent removing his hand from beside Omega leader. (We all know how Omega leader works & how just like with dark curse, a Target lock is a useless thing against him, especially when he has you locked) So explain to me why my XX target lock was now on Omega leader when all game he has had me target locked & ive been shooting Vader with my Decimator.... Im a veteran player & i dont do that.

I think you need to let your opponent off the hook for this one. It's really easy to have a token (of any kind) on the table in such a way that it's approximately equidistant from both Ship A and Ship B, and could plausibly "belong" to either one. Worse, if you leave a token behind it can end up closest to Ship B when it should really belong to Ship A. A lot of players are in the habit of correcting those issues as soon as possible, because if you forget for long enough (i.e., if the game state changes) you can end up in a pretty tangled question of who the token really belongs to and when it got left behind.

It could have been an attempt to cheat, too, but it really could have been a mistake. If I were in your shoes, I'd give the other player the benefit of that doubt.

Not meaning it in a rude way, but that isnt my job, thats yours.

You're right. It's not your job to point out tactical options to the other guy. But that's not what either of us are saying.

You have to give someone a reasonable chance to make decisions, and exactly how long that is, is rather subjective. If I were the TO, I'd not make him spend that evade token because there is no rule that says when someone is locked into spending it if they declare it. So until you rolled the dice I think it's fair to take it back.

Shields on the other hand I don't see as being optional so I don't see how that falls under the missed opportunities. As a TO, I believe that in cases like this with mandatory systems every attempt to fix the game state must be taken, provided it doesn't cause harm.

In this case no harm is created by putting the shields on. Which is different if you were talking about trying to put on a stress token from a rebel captive half way through the next round.

When I hear these kind of stories I just think about how lucky I am to be playing here in Sweden. We have a great comminity and even at top tables in tournaments we play fair and I have never witnessed or heard of cheating like swapping target locks (at least not at top tables). I have seen and been cheated at tournments outside Sweden though.

I'm usually quite forgiving with missing actions if it's just before or after a opportunity like the gunner evade situation since I'm usually expecting my opponent to to the smart thing anyway. If someone however missed to take his action and we have moved on to far I might be a bit strickt on it but most players in my area do this themself as in: oh I missed to take an evade on my vader, oh well I will remember next time. If they ask me to do the action later I let them do it unless they have gained inormation like if I moved a ship after him/her.

It could have been an attempt to cheat, too, but it really could have been a mistake.

It could, and I believe everyone should get the benefit of a doubt at least once. But if you lose track of something like which ship is TL'ed you really should ask the owner where it goes rather than deciding that for yourself.

When you put it on what is unarguably the most pointless ship to TL... That really starts make me consider if the benefit of the doubt is appropriate.

So if shields are mandatory, does that mean Rebel Captive is also? Meaning at the end of the round, if i forgot to trigger it, i can still stress the first ship that attacked me?

I gave him ample time & it was only when i picked up my dice to attack again that he decided to not spend his token.

I understand mix ups, but would anyone of you EVER TL Omega leader while he has you locked? So i find it hard to belive he would think, hmmm i think this lock was on Omega, if he was really in doubt, he couldve asked.

As always i appreciate the input & it helps me to become an even greater & well rounded player.

Plus it also helps me if im ever the one who slips up. So ill be able to say i can legally put my shields on & etc. Lol

So if shields are mandatory, does that mean Rebel Captive is also? Meaning at the end of the round, if i forgot to trigger it, i can still stress the first ship that attacked me?

Yes, in fact you really should... Especially since it helps you.

What becomes an issue is when you notice it half way through the next round. At that point it's really too late to put the stress on because they've already picked and maybe even performed the maneuver and taken actions.

Any mandatory action or effect needs to be fixed, provided doing so doesn't cause more harm... If you both forgot the stress from rebel captive, you can't really expect to have the other guy hand you the dial because they performed a red maneuver and should of been stressed.

I understand mix ups, but would anyone of you EVER TL Omega leader while he has you locked? So i find it hard to belive he would think, hmmm i think this lock was on Omega, if he was really in doubt, he couldve asked.

*Shrugs*

Sometimes you see a stray target lock, but you're so focused on what your plan is that you don't bother to think about it too much and just drag it to the closest target thinking that it was probably there. I have seen worse mistakes from veteran players because they day is getting long

There are many situations where you may see something that your opponent could / should do, but have to give them the opportunity to use them. It's a fine line between giving your opponent the opportunity to think, not rushing them and not playing the game for them.

So if shields are mandatory, does that mean Rebel Captive is also? Meaning at the end of the round, if i forgot to trigger it, i can still stress the first ship that attacked me?

Maybe! Especially if, as VanorDM says, no one has made a substantive decision based on whether or not that stress token was assigned.

Again, in the narrowest interpretation of the rules, you don't have to do so. But whether you should do so is a different question. How far back do you have to rewind? What has changed about the game? Who has what kinds of additional information?

I understand mix ups, but would anyone of you EVER TL Omega leader while he has you locked? So i find it hard to belive he would think, hmmm i think this lock was on Omega, if he was really in doubt, he couldve asked.

It's on the questionable side, for sure, and he definitely should have asked.