Shortage of books and release schedule?

By Goose666, in Star Wars: Force and Destiny RPG

Apologies, this may be the wrong forum for this question, but I have noted since December a major lack of stock in FFG Star Wars RPG books in the UK.

And when I checked the release schedule, it is now down to a single book.. and all the shops I have asked are telling me they have no clear date on when the other books will be back in stock.
Having been playing since EOT came out, it just seems to be a sudden drop off and its a little worrying.
I heard it said at a gaming show that FFG may have lost the Star Wars rights for the RPG. Which frankly sounded a bit off, as surely if they had it would have made headlines etc.

So a few questions:

1. Is there any news on FFG and the rights? (hopefully nothing has changed)

2. Have they ceased publishing additional books for EOT and AOR?

3. Any know why it seems to be taking while to get books back in stock?



They announced on May 4th a beginner game for The Force Awakens, which is confirmed to be a standalone product to get people interested, not a whole line of products over again. So no loss of rights for sure - people are just hoping that it's the start of era-specific sourcebooks.

That answers the first question.

1. See MuttonchopMac's post

2. No they have not

3. Other games might be occupying the printers(This isn't their biggest money maker)

  1. Rights aren't going anywhere as far as we can tell as the game seems somewhat popular.
  2. Still producing books for both EotE and AoR. Last career book for EotE, Bounty Hunter, is upcoming. And there are going to be more AoR books.Iit's amazing with three lines just how much we already have.
  3. Well if people would stop buying up all the books every time they come out with a new print run maybe there would still be some on the shelves, but what are you going to do? A company can only print so much at a time. Between getting prints of new books done in between reprinting other books takes time for all the books.

FFG likes to take their time producing good quality books. I am neither worried nor impatient. But I thoroughly enjoy seeing so much impatience from others.

Edited by mouthymerc

Have the adversary cards come back into print?

I notice quite a bit of these books are out of stock but I've yet to see those cards actually come back into stock!

Picked up the jewel of Yavin and sun's of fortune a few months ago and I always assumed they'd be the least likely books I'd be able to pick up!

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Have the adversary cards come back into print?

I notice quite a bit of these books are out of stock but I've yet to see those cards actually come back into stock!

Picked up the jewel of Yavin and sun's of fortune a few months ago and I always assumed they'd be the least likely books I'd be able to pick up!

I think the Adversary Cards are more a "print on demand" that you buy through FFG's online store than something you can expect to see at your FLGS.

I think what we're seeing is a shift in the way FFG is announcing new product. Take a look at the upcoming page and filter it down to just new product. There's still 46 items on that list. Now filter it down to just In Development, and the list gets small. Matter of fact if you filter out the LCG stuff which is announced in blocks of material, you get to just 5 items, across the whole company, and they are all announced within the last month and all but one of them in the last 7-10 days.

I think FFG is no longer announcing product as early as we've become accustomed to. I have a strong suspicion that those 5 "In Development" products are really complete and awaiting their slot at the printer and that this is the nature of things moving forward. Maybe this is a change because of the Asmodee merger, or maybe this is a reaction to some of the "feedback" of overlong wait times between announcements and release and the continually sliding release days. Either way I think we've had a long dry spell of product announcements all across the board but that we'll start seeing those announcements come in at the pace we're used to but with just shorter lead times between announcement and release.

I think what we're seeing is a shift in the way FFG is announcing new product.

Hm, this seems like another great question to ask next time someone comes on one of our many cool podcasts that interview developers. Sure, they can't speak to upcoming releases, but maybe they can confirm or deny that there has been a change to the way they announce products.

I think that the problem in this csse is simply supply and demand. The adversary decks pretty much sell out as soon as they hit the UK shores , when they were released I had to ultiamtely get one of my sets shipped from the US direct fromFFG print on demand.

The Force Awakens apparently csught FFG by surprise and I believe a lot of resources probably went to getting more core books and beginners sets over here. Up till recently Amazon sellers wer asking prices over £400 for an F&D core book. DrUopped for a week when it hit the shores again and already its double price again. This was under a month ago. They knew TFA was going to be bjg but I dont think they knew how much it was going to affect interest in the RPG

You cannot buy print on demand stuff from the FFG store in the UK or I believe also Europe.

Glad to hear its not lots the rights..
However it is not hard to order a re-print.. all the artwork etc is setup, its a case of getting your printer to do the work.
The fact its sold out is not good, it means that people will look else where and give up.. as nothing worse than trying to get players into a game system, then they find they cannot get the books for over twelve months, due to being permanently out of stock awaiting a re-print.

It seems very strange business logic indeed.
Given the recent film release, I would have thought FFG would be wanting to ride the wave of interest and expand their customer base, but a major under-supply to the market means frankly its loosing that.




The expanding customer base from a new Star Wars film will be buying Core Rulebooks, not the latest sourcebook, I think, for now at least. They may also be trying to figure out a balance - they're publishing three lines, not just one, and since so many thing just came out, they may have ordered smaller runs, assuming customers enjoy one lines more than all three, and didn't realize all the F&D fans wanted Special Modifications as well.

It could also be that this was not part of their business strategy and someone made a mistake.

Who doesn't want Special Modifications?

You cannot buy print on demand stuff from the FFG store in the UK or I believe also Europe.

Glad to hear its not lots the rights..

However it is not hard to order a re-print.. all the artwork etc is setup, its a case of getting your printer to do the work.

The fact its sold out is not good, it means that people will look else where and give up.. as nothing worse than trying to get players into a game system, then they find they cannot get the books for over twelve months, due to being permanently out of stock awaiting a re-print.

It seems very strange business logic indeed.

Given the recent film release, I would have thought FFG would be wanting to ride the wave of interest and expand their customer base, but a major under-supply to the market means frankly its loosing that.

I don'T think there was ever something sold out for 12 months, 3-4 month maybe for Fly Casual, but usually the stuff gets a re-print within the next 3 months. You can btw buy the print-on-demand stuff directly from this very webpage, though shipping cost is a pain in the ass, FFG **** this up, a card deck could be send via a simple cheap $2 letter, instead they use an expensive international ups shipping for like $25.

Besides I can understand FFGs reluctance to send to large runs to their printers, they would not be the first publisher to have large losses or even go bankrupt over such a miscalculation.

Besides we just got Special Modifications and Nexus of Power, the Force Awakens Beginners Set, and there is Savage Spirits in the Work. Keeping the Peace just came out in December, Chronicles of the Gatekeeper came out in November, Lead by Example in October, and so one. That is basically a new supplemental every freaking month. How much more are you asking for? :D

How much more are you asking for? :D

I believe the answer to that is "yes." ;)

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait - we are saved! Yay!

You can buy the print on demand stuff in the uk. Firstly though you have to be prepared to pay the shipping cost then pay again for vat and duty to the post office when it hits this country , its far from cbeap its far from fast so if you do it you should order a one offf every thing you need, as a said though you will also pay customs as well

For the record I just went through the order process and it ended up 52$ for the 3 adversary packs including shipping , you could expect to add another 20£ tax to that, as I said not cheap but doable, there are other places in the us that will ship to the uk that are cheaper and ship via post in such a way as to avoid tax (technically a set of the 3 are below the taxable rate but FFG declared the shipping as part of the value for customs)

For the record I just went through the order process and it ended up 52$ for the 3 adversary packs including shipping , you could expect to add another 20£ tax to that, as I said not cheap but doable, there are other places in the us that will ship to the uk that are cheaper and ship via post in such a way as to avoid tax (technically a set of the 3 are below the taxable rate but FFG declared the shipping as part of the value for customs)

Declaring the shipping as part of the customs is as far as I know correct within the whole eu. Ianal. The german distributor will order larger packages of the cards once enough stores ordered from him the cards, but they seem to really wait a long time for that until the shipping cost for them are low enough to keep their profit margins up.

Why FFG is unable to send those cards as letters I have no idea, it not like those packages would not fit into a letter envelope. .