Yeah this is a rant. Get ready to post your hate.

When this game came out, one of the best selling points was that it was relatively cheap to get into. A $25-30 core set and 2-3 $10-15 expansion packs and you were good to go. Even when new waves came out - Falcon aside - a few $10-15 expansion packs was all it took to keep up. Most people I knew who played between 2012 and 2015 didn't spend more than $100-150 over the course of those 2 years.

But those days appear to be over, and the Heroes of the Resistance pack is just the latest piece of evidence. Rather than give us a new $15 Poe Dameron with a new pilot ability, we get a rushed thrown together gimmick added to a reinvented Millenium Falcon - no doubt to drive up the price of the packaging by having that second ship in there, even though it didn't really cost much more to modify the paint scheme on the T-70.

My complaint is aimed at FFG and posted publicly but I'm sure there are many who didn't even read this far before hitting the reply button with their rage/hate because how dare anyone be disappointed with the expensive direction Asmodee and FFG is taking their once cheap space combat game.

At this point, Armada - which is already a great game - is looking more and more appealing to me. If I am going to put out $30-50 for a single ship pack, it's going to be for a Star Wars game that is not dice-dependent and that has actual strategy in its design.

Eh, there was clearly a market for the 'new' Falcon and the black/orange T70. People wanted those things. FFG delivered those things.

And, I suspect from the nature and layout of the cards, there is probably a T65 fix/boost in there as well.

Sure, it'd be nice to get one without the other, I don't particularly want a new Falcon and have no intention of flying anachronistic time-travelling squads, so until the TFA era line-ups are filled out my options are currently T70, TIE/fo and now the Falcon. I don't find myself terribly excited by that at the moment. So it'd be nice to just get Poe for the T65 boost that I am confident is included.

But there are lots of people who DO want Rey and Finn and that black/orange T70 and a new Falcon. And there's a whole new generation of fans now who want their version of the Falcon with the pilots they've seen flying it on the screen, so this pack makes perfect sense to me.

At this point, Armada - which is already a great game - is looking more and more appealing to me. If I am going to put out $30-50 for a single ship pack, it's going to be for a Star Wars game that is not dice-dependent and that has actual strategy in its design.

And Armada is awesome in it's own right. You should totally get it. We're getting Flotillas soon, and they look awesome!

To be fair, it's $45 for two ships that are entirely optional. Given the T70 is $15, and the Falcon is $30, it's literally no change in price.

Now, you could be like me and have a Falcon and enough T70s already, but all that means is that the pack is optional. There's probably a couple of useful cards in there of you were to buy it, but nothing you couldn't happily continue to play without. It's still undeniably one of the cheapest tabletop wargames you can lay your hands on, while also being one of the most balanced and fun. No mean feat.

As to implying there's no strategy in the design, well I'd say you may need to step back and take a look at that again. Dice are a means to an end, and sure, sometimes they decide to screw you over, but part of list building and flying strategies are to mitigate that. Armada is the same, albeit without the defence dice.

At least it is a better looking expansion than the Ghost. As well it saves me from painting up my own Poe.

When I first started collecting two years ago a standard small ship was $19.00 AUS, now it's $26.00 AUS. FFGs price creep is disappointing, but in the end I have one vice and X-wing is it.

Eh, there was clearly a market for the 'new' Falcon and the black/orange T70. People wanted those things. FFG delivered those things.

And, I suspect from the nature and layout of the cards, there is probably a T65 fix/boost in there as well.

Sure, it'd be nice to get one without the other, I don't particularly want a new Falcon and have no intention of flying anachronistic time-travelling squads, so until the TFA era line-ups are filled out my options are currently T70, TIE/fo and now the Falcon. I don't find myself terribly excited by that at the moment. So it'd be nice to just get Poe for the T65 boost that I am confident is included.

But there are lots of people who DO want Rey and Finn and that black/orange T70 and a new Falcon. And there's a whole new generation of fans now who want their version of the Falcon with the pilots they've seen flying it on the screen, so this pack makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah DAT... and I am one of the old veterans of STAR WARS.

Complaining about full retail price when the internet exists...

I'm seeing it for $34 preorder, and that's the first site I checked.

And I bought Armada core for 25 bucks new, too. lawlz.

And, I suspect from the nature and layout of the cards, there is probably a T65 fix/boost in there as well.

That would be so nice... T65 fix in a pack the "old guard" doesn't care about. That's Raider story all over again.

It's another 50 dollar xwing package. A 50 dollar xwing package you don't have to buy.

While I do see where you are coming from, I can't get as worked up about it. As others have stated, fans wanted these. Also, they are entirely optional.

As far as the idea that FFG and associates are nothing but money grubbing opportunists, consider; you can buy a single X-Wing or Y-Wing and get multiple pilot cards. The movies (and books) made it clear that every rebel fighter possessed unique markings. If FFG had really wanted to be rat bastards, there wouldn't have been single fighter expansions. There would have been repaint after repaint after repaint. It would have been "Biggs." Then "Luke." Then "Porkins." Then "Wedge." The difference? How many swirls there were on the canons. A bit of paint here and there. Maybe (maybe) an R4 instead of an R2.

So yeah...no hate directed at you, but personal feathers unruffled.

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Oh, and also? Check out the forums a bit closer. Armada has plenty of its own issues.

And, I suspect from the nature and layout of the cards, there is probably a T65 fix/boost in there as well.

That would be so nice... T65 fix in a pack the "old guard" doesn't care about. That's Raider story all over again.

Dude, I've been in since wave 1 and I thought the Raider was glorious after playing epic games against CR90s and Transports while not having a big fish of my own. There was a lot of great stuff in the Raider expansion, but the coolest thing was the Raider.

Dice dependent!?!

You do know the same guy has won worlds three years in a row, right? He must not buy lottery tickets or he would win every week because he is obviously the luckiest guy in the world.

#mathishard

According to everything I can find, the MSRP for Heroes of the Resistance is $40, the same as either core set. Wherever you get core sets for $25-30, you should also be able to get HotR for the same price there.

Well at least the pricing is not as onerous as 40k.

It'll be coming out in - what, five months?

So, all that means is you need to save $10 from your paper round / pocket money per month until then and you'll be able to afford it when it hits the shelves!

It doesn't take a financial advisor to work this kind of thing out, you know.

TC you and I, the "old guard" as someone else called us, are not the people this is aimed at, this is to help new players get into the game. FFG don't want to provide an expansion that you can't use right out of the box, Most Wanted was the exception because that was aimed at existing players and not new players.

Don't ever change Dennis

Here comes my hate, here it comes... and there it went.

I can wait for the next announcement to see where things are going. I won't conclude things from a single announcement that maybe wasn't as exciting as the one prior.

It's a bit hard to take the rant seriously when you don't even have the pricing correct. I mean you couldn't be bothered to actually look up the MSRP?

I get we have to be politically correct but can we cut to the chase?

Boris, from your OP it would appear that you're not a dwarf, you're a mental midget.

I know, I know, I should have said "intellectually small person" or some such but someone had to say it. **** dwarf impersonators.

Yeah, FFG's own site says $40. Which, based on info we have gotten from Christian Peterson is fairly generous. The Falcon is sold for a slimmer margin than other ships. And based on the releases we have gotten in the past year, would probably be a $40 ship if it wasn't the freakin Falcon and guaranteed to sell.

Personally, I think it is a great addition for newer players. The core and this, you have quite a few options for 100 pts. All for $80. And it is a bit more tempting than to say buy a core and $60 of other stuff you want. A lot will already start with the Falcon.

Yeah this is a rant. Get ready to post your hate.

When this game came out, one of the best selling points was that it was relatively cheap to get into. A $25-30 core set and 2-3 $10-15 expansion packs and you were good to go. Even when new waves came out - Falcon aside - a few $10-15 expansion packs was all it took to keep up. Most people I knew who played between 2012 and 2015 didn't spend more than $100-150 over the course of those 2 years.

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Really? Most people I know spent that much for each Wave, not including epic ships or ace type packs.

When this game came out, one of the best selling points was that it was relatively cheap to get into. A $25-30 core set and 2-3 $10-15 expansion packs and you were good to go.

On the contrary, those days are alive and well. You buy the new core, a single T-70 blister, and a pair of TIE/fo blisters and you are good to go. Once Heroes lands, you throw that in and you’ve got:

1 Falcon

3 T-70s

4 TIE/fo’s

That's enough Rebel ships to run some varied squads at 100 points, and the Imperials are only an expansion or two away. You won’t be able to build anything that would win Worlds, of course, but you've got a solid starting point for a little over $100.

This game has been and remains very inexpensive to get into, but only that. If you want to collect everything or start playing competitively there will be some outlay involved. And that has been true since day one. The classic Wave 1 TIE Swarm required 1 Core Set and 6 TIE Fighter expansions, left you with a bunch of upgrade cards lying unused by the wayside, and gave you exactly one playable squad. I wouldn't call that "cheap".

Another Whiner thread with no valid argument.

Another Whiner thread with no valid argument.

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