Can we all agree......

By RoK 98, in X-Wing

......that we are not mindless drones?

I like the Heroes of the Resistance. I'm going to buy it. It's fine to disagree. It's what makes you an intelligent human being with a mind of your own and not a brainless automaton.

Personally I'd hoped the "new" Millennium Falcon would be it's own expansion with the Black and Orange T-70 turning up around Episode VIII time with any needed fixes. But I'm happy to get both in one box. Others are understandably annoyed.

Why didn't FFG just wait? I wanted a Poe Dameron in his Black Leader T-70 with BB-8 in the back. So why didn't FFG just make a generic starter box, expansion with some named pilots once the movie hit, and then give us this Heroes of the Resistance now? Probably because people would complain that Poe should've been included.

Or perhaps Black Leader should have been in the Starter, then have the generic blue and white with other named pilots as the T-70 expansion. The "new" Falcon could then be released on it's own. But there would be those who didn't just want to use Poe until the expansion arrived. Personally though I feel this one would have made more sense. But that is my "own small opinion".

To each one their own opinion. Let us embrace our differences and be respectful so as not to muddy an otherwise cool, fun and informative forum. Remember the true enemy is the dark lord of the Sith known as "The Mouse", and that FFG are but pawns in the dark lords unholy alliance with the Trade Federation.

Let us now RESPECTFULLY have differing opinions and RESPECTFULLY not expect everyone to agree.

No.

Cheers

Baaa

No.

Cheers

Baaa

OK

You are not a drone

I remember the days when everyone knew that agreeing to disagree was just a cop out - a way for an intellectual coward (or lightweight), to attempt to bow out of situation that was going to expose their opinion for what it was.

Sigh

These millennials. They've convinced themselves that all opinions are equal in order to avoid the hard work of sharpening one another's epistemology (or lack thereof).

I like it when people discuss the merits and flaws of various opinions that are floated around, and could care less for anti-intellectualism, even when it is dressed up as being polite.

/unrelated vent over.

Conversely you may not have either item, so this set works for you. Rare chance I admit, but still...

All I care about is that FFG makes THE BEST STAR WARS SPACESHIP GAME ON EARTH!

Keep at it my fine fellows.

:D

I remember the days when everyone knew that agreeing to disagree was just a cop out - a way for an intellectual coward (or lightweight), to attempt to bow out of situation that was going to expose their opinion for what it was.

Sigh

These millennials. They've convinced themselves that all opinions are equal in order to avoid the hard work of sharpening one another's epistemology (or lack thereof).

I like it when people discuss the merits and flaws of various opinions that are floated around, and could care less for anti-intellectualism, even when it is dressed up as being polite.

/unrelated vent over.

Indeed

If nobody were to disagree then how could the true merits of a persons conviction be tested. In fact, it is only by somebody disagreeing with you that you can test whether you truly believe what you're saying.

There's also the possibility that you're wrong, or misinformed, but how would you know unless somebody disagreed.

It is therefore not only a cowards way out but it could be, in more serious situations, irresponsible and dangerous not to hear all thoughts and opinions on a specific issue. Fortunately, game forums are not life changing/threatening events. Unless one of you is secretly a hitman who knows where we live.

No.

Cheers

Baaa

And you call yourself a sheep.

No.

Cheers

Baaa

And you call yourself a sheep.

I need more like buttons for that witty rejoinder.

I agree to disagree.

But not with Baaa.

I agree to disagree.

But not with Baaa.

Never disagree with a sheep.

That would be a baaaaaaad move

:) :\ :(

Sorry

Way to disrespect all the Zeta males op.

No.

Cheers

Baaa

And you call yourself a sheep.

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Cheers

Baaa

I remember the days when everyone knew that agreeing to disagree was just a cop out - a way for an intellectual coward (or lightweight), to attempt to bow out of situation that was going to expose their opinion for what it was.

I agree and disagree. There comes a point in which both sides should recognize that further debate will accomplish nothing. If I believe X and you disagree, and after several days of debate it becomes clear neither of us will change our opinion, more debate is just a waste of breath.

But I agree that people are far too quick to give up the debate, and treat opinions as if they were sacrosanct. It irks me when I hear 'Hey that's my opinion and opinions can't be wrong.' Which ironically is actually an absolute statement, not an opinion. And far too people try to hide statements of facts as opinions so you can't call them on it.

No.

Cheers

Baaa

And you call yourself a sheep.

undercover-sheep-meme.png?w=240&h=194

Cheers

Baaa

This one cracks me up every time :D I have this picture on my phone for 6 years now :D

I remember the days when everyone knew that agreeing to disagree was just a cop out - a way for an intellectual coward (or lightweight), to attempt to bow out of situation that was going to expose their opinion for what it was.

I agree and disagree. There comes a point in which both sides should recognize that further debate will accomplish nothing. If I believe X and you disagree, and after several days of debate it becomes clear neither of us will change our opinion, more debate is just a waste of breath.

But I agree that people are far too quick to give up the debate, and treat opinions as if they were sacrosanct. It irks me when I hear 'Hey that's my opinion and opinions can't be wrong.' Which ironically is actually an absolute statement, not an opinion. And far too people try to hide statements of facts as opinions so you can't call them on it.

That flies.

Productive conversations end the moment either mind become closed.

I just hope no one on the forum will hate on the all-Wookiee Wave 11...

Because then I might be a little disrespectful.

I just hope no one on the forum will hate on the all-Wookiee Wave 11...

Because then I might be a little disrespectful.

Wave 11 is clearly going to be a game changer.....

Wookies always win.

Nobody wants to lose their arm :)

All I care about is that FFG makes THE BEST STAR WARS SPACESHIP GAME ON EARTH!

Keep at it my fine fellows.

:D

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Productive conversations end the moment either mind become closed.

So much truth in that statement right there.

Can we all agree to title our threads accurately?

Can we all agree to title our threads accurately?

Only if we can agree that the accuracy of thread titles is insignificant compared to the content of the thread and the participation.

I'm enjoying reading through everyone's replies, including yours, and I like to believe that my title, which includes a video and therefore couldn't be used in the actual title of the post itself, partially contributed to the intended good natured expression of the message I was attempting to convey.

I suppose I could of titled it: "Are you a drone?" but that may have (a) come across confrontational or (b) some who don't read the post before replying may have judged it offtopic.

Can an expansion of X-wing Minis actually be objectively good or bad?

It's really not until something is typed out or spoken, liberated from the prison of one's mind, when it become real. And when challenged by others we are enabled to learn and grow. I've found my assumptions questioned and changed because of other people explaining to me where they've (the assumptions) gone wrong. I prefer using the word assumptions rather than opinions . Some have been kind and others not so much. I can appreciate both styles of response because growth, wisdom.

I love forums and the feisty ways people express themselves. I have seen people who identify way too strongly with a product lose their humanity on a forum. Gibson guitar lovers who attack Fender guitar enthusiasts, for instance. It can get quite silly. Where it becomes troubling is when someone finds the need to be right more important than the feelings of another person.

Agreeing to disagree is admitting to a failure in understanding. This happens. It's not the end of the world. But you might be able to convince me otherwise.

I remember the days when everyone knew that agreeing to disagree was just a cop out...

As VanorDM says, there's a difference between refusing to engage with someone because you don't want to have your assumptions tested, and refusing to continue to engage once someone has demonstrated that further progress is impossible. The former is a cop-out, but the latter is a rational conservation of mental and emotional effort.

These millennials.

I don't think it's entirely fair to lay this all on millenials. People have always sorted themselves into relatively homogeneous communities, sometimes by force. Millennials have the advantage, or possibly disadvantage, of being connected to more people than anyone could feasibly have dreamed of even fifty years ago.

So that sorting, too, is more on display than it ever has been. And while some of it certainly comes under the heading of "don't make me question my pre-existing commitments and assumptions", another large portion is that more defensible shrug directed toward the un-convincible.

To give an only slightly fictionalized example, what happens if I'm in a Facebook conversation about diabetes, and a friend of a friend jumps in to tell us that diabetes is actually a syndrome caused by the breakdown of healthy enzymes and vitamin complexes in cooked food. Am I obligated to spend hours trying to engage with this unabashed evangelist of pseudoscience, who isn't actually interested in biochemistry or the pathophysiology of autoimmune disease? Of course not.

It irks me when I hear 'Hey that's my opinion and opinions can't be wrong.' Which ironically is actually an absolute statement, not an opinion.

Q: Why does Obi-Wan refuse to mix vodka cocktails for his friends?

A: Only a Sith deals in Absoluts.