I too like the twilight.

For a long time it was speculated that it would end up in the game with the first asymmetric dial.

THIS, however, is the ugliest ship in Star Wars

Looks better than the TIE Punisher and makes more sense than the TIE S/F

I too like the twilight.

For a long time it was speculated that it would end up in the game with the first asymmetric dial.

THIS, however, is the ugliest ship in Star Wars

Looks better than the TIE Punisher and makes more sense than the TIE S/F

How? The TIE S/F's not really a crazy design.

(Also not gonna agree on the TIE Punisher being uglier, but taste is subjective)

Well using two people in an expandable fighter is a bit... well.

Otherwise: hollowed out the engine slot and fit a guy in. Having a man for gunnery rather than an AI. Having a turret underneath a starfighter (confusion of role).

It also seems to fit a LOT in basically a TIE Fighter chassis. Where are they fitting this? Imagination? Star Wars is common for this, but at least the Falcon's interior or the N1 Royal Fighter's astromech unit didn't distend believability.

Well using two people in an expandable fighter is a bit... well.

Otherwise: hollowed out the engine slot and fit a guy in. Having a man for gunnery rather than an AI. Having a turret underneath a starfighter (confusion of role).

It also seems to fit a LOT in basically a TIE Fighter chassis. Where are they fitting this? Imagination? Star Wars is common for this, but at least the Falcon's interior or the N1 Royal Fighter's astromech unit didn't distend believability.

The SF is designed to be less expendable, with life support and ejection seats. In general, the First Order places more emphasis on survivability than the Empire, since they don't have the same limitless resources; even their basic TIEs have shields.

The turret is useful both in dogfights to cover the ship's tail and in atmospheric operations, which TIEs have long been used in. Both situations occur in The Force Awakens, so it's not like this is baseless speculation.

Having a man operate gunnery instead of AI is par for the course in Star Wars; look at ships like the ARC-170, Clone Wars Y-Wing, and YT-1300. One could reason it as apprehension about giving droids blasters, especially after the Clone Wars.

As for how everything fits? The SF has a bulkier chassis than the normal TIE, and it's not like engines take up much space on most Star Wars ships. The A-Wing has hyperdrive, shielding, life support, missiles, and powerful engines, and it's tiny.

All of this is extra mass though which defeats the object of a space superiority fighter (which is supposed to have less mass to get around quicker). Now if this was on a TIE Bomber chassis or a Lambda shuttler, absolutely this is a good idea. This is why the Shuttle ships in the Star Wars games were so terrifying.

A-wings are one thing but the TIE sf has almost literally everything: turret, shields, hyperdrive, space for two people, missiles, engines. And I'm not so sure its chassis is actually bulkier than a TIE F/O Fighter.

All of this is extra mass though which defeats the object of a space superiority fighter (which is supposed to have less mass to get around quicker). Now if this was on a TIE Bomber chassis or a Lambda shuttler, absolutely this is a good idea. This is why the Shuttle ships in the Star Wars games were so terrifying.

A-wings are one thing but the TIE sf has almost literally everything: turret, shields, hyperdrive, space for two people, missiles, engines. And I'm not so sure its chassis is actually bulkier than a TIE F/O Fighter.

The TIE SF isn't a space superiority fighter though. It's designed to function in a wide variety of situations, from reconnaissance to dogfights to air-to-surface combat.

I'm actually mistaken about the different chassis; it's more that they just added modifications that bulk up the outside like the power cells and thrusters.

If you want an idea of how it all fits together, there are the cross-section books.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

Well the T-70 is a tougher, harder-hitting star fighter.

I don't really get the complaint that the SF stretches believability. The TIE Interceptor is faster, more agile, and equipped with far greater firepower than a standard TIE; it's also the same size. The TIE Phantom has life support, advanced sensors, shielding, hyperdrive, crew space, ungodly firepower, and a cloaking device, and it's got less behind the cockpit than a TIE Bomber (Even with said Bomber storing its arsenal in a separate pod).

And if we wanted to go really ridiculous in terms of starfighter mass/volume vs capabilities, there's the Suncrusher, aka the most stupid thing Kevin J Anderson ever introduced into Star Wars.

TIE Interceptor is just a faster TIE with two more cannons, TIE Phantom at least has something behind the cockpit and, just like TIE Defender, it is an EU craft so no consistency standards can be applied to it.

A fewf things comparing the cross sections:

TIE fighters have ALWAYS had amazing engines - the thrusters themselves are VERY tiny, so i suspect that in the 30 years between films, they became much more efficient. space is also saved by not requiring landing gear. I suspect that TIEs also carry minimal redundant systems, survival gear and also have no need for astromechs. Hyperdrives can be really small, as evidenced by the A-wing

TIE fighters also have a larger surface area, fewer weapons. The power generation for the TIE/sf probably requires shutting down weapons to power the hyperdrive, or vice versa - though that is conjecture.

I truly suspect that the First Order, dregs of the Empire had secreted away all the top scientists and weapons designs when the Empire fell.

I'm wondering what on Earth the TIE Bomber's massive hull area behind the cockpit is for. The cross-sections have targeting computers there, but the volume still seems excessive. Perhaps balancing the mass of the arsenal pod in atmosphere?

(This is from an in-universe perspective. Out of universe it's because it looks better.)

TIE Interceptor is just a faster TIE with two more cannons, TIE Phantom at least has something behind the cockpit and, just like TIE Defender, it is an EU craft so no consistency standards can be applied to it.

The TIE SF has engine thrusters mounted behind the cockpit actually.

The area behind the cockpit? It's for the sound system. How else are you going to look awesome on those long bombing runs if you don't rock your best tunes.

The area behind the cockpit? It's for the sound system. How else are you going to look awesome on those long bombing runs if you don't rock your best tunes.

Nothing improves a bombing run like Flight of the Valkyries.

This is not a space ship. This is a shoe you have given wings. "Wingtips" are not space-capable.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

You realize it's actually a little bit bigger than the T-65 right?

You realize it's actually a little bit bigger than the T-65 right?

The poster's referring to the TIE SF in comparison to the T-70, not the T-70 in comparison to the T-65.

This is not a space ship. This is a shoe you have given wings. "Wingtips" are not space-capable.

While I agree the Starhopper is an ugly ship, it's ludicrous to pick on it for not being "space-capable". No ship in Star Wars is designed to look practical in space, nor do ships in Star Wars follow realistic space physics, instead behaving like fighter planes.

We're more likely to get ships that are already in FFG products. A few examples being:

The Alpha-3 Nimbus V-Wing, which is in Stay on Target, from the Age of Rebellion RPG, and the Delta-7 Aethersprite interceptor, from... Force and Destiny, i believe? Both of those have a much better chance of making it in X-Wing than... whatever it is those monstrosities were in the OP. Better yet, both the V-Wing and the Delta-7 actually look cool.

This is not a space ship. This is a shoe you have given wings. "Wingtips" are not space-capable.

Well within the tradition of flying shoes, established by Slave I

*ducks and runs*

You realize it's actually a little bit bigger than the T-65 right?

The poster's referring to the TIE SF in comparison to the T-70, not the T-70 in comparison to the T-65.

This is not a space ship. This is a shoe you have given wings. "Wingtips" are not space-capable.

While I agree the Starhopper is an ugly ship, it's ludicrous to pick on it for not being "space-capable". No ship in Star Wars is designed to look practical in space, nor do ships in Star Wars follow realistic space physics, instead behaving like fighter planes.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

That blaster cannon is clearly something not stock.

If it is stock, then you're right. But I doubt it is, considering the pilot has to completely give up control to aim the **** thing.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

That blaster cannon is clearly something not stock.

If it is stock, then you're right. But I doubt it is, considering the pilot has to completely give up control to aim the **** thing.

It likely isnt stock, but it could be, though I doubt it has any real strngth compared to starship weaponry- just like the Falcon's little anti-infantry blaster used in ESB (which this is a direct nod towards).

I'd say if anything it COULD be stock (not that it is), but wouldnt be used in space combat and is really only useful if you are on the ground and not worried about flying the ship or are trying to do take off prep procedures still..or some other strange circumstance.

Oh and, Captain Lackwit, you said its bigger than the T-65, butaccording to the cross section book it is 12.48 meters long, whereas the T-65 is 12.5 meters. So its engines and a few other things might be bigger, but it is shorter....not by much mind you

It'd be pointless to mount retractable anti-personel blasters as a standard and the cross section doesn't show any. I suspect Poe's "special ops" T-70 had this thing in place of one of the torpedo launchers.

In the movie we can clearly see that TIE fighters are equipped with much more powerful cannons, just compare the explosions caused by TIE evey time they shoot to a tiny puff of smoke when an X-wing shoots a person and another person standing right next to the one shot isn't affected in any way.

A theory: the longer barrels make T-70 more accurate while TIEs utilize greater calibre, therefore more powerful, but shorter and significantly less acurate (you can see it ine the movie) cannons.

(Even though I don't think the creators of this movie thought about any of this for more than 10 seconds )

The first ship is a atmospheric ship mostly though, isn't it?

The second one reminds me of an Ornithopter out of Dune, though it *is* canon (the type, the looks I don't know).

And the Twilight is ungainly but by far not the worst looking ship in the universe.

A-9 Vigilances come close, as does a Howlrunner (I do not accept any Uglies for the nomination).

The SS-54 Assault Ship is tolerable but the others are awful.