3 popular canon Prequel-Era ships you never heard of

By patox, in X-Wing

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

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and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

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That blaster cannon is clearly something not stock.

If it is stock, then you're right. But I doubt it is, considering the pilot has to completely give up control to aim the **** thing.

It has obviously got an illicit slot to have the Hot Shot blaster, hahaha.

It likely isnt stock, but it could be, though I doubt it has any real strngth compared to starship weaponry- just like the Falcon's little anti-infantry blaster used in ESB (which this is a direct nod towards).

I'd say if anything it COULD be stock (not that it is), but wouldnt be used in space combat and is really only useful if you are on the ground and not worried about flying the ship or are trying to do take off prep procedures still..or some other strange circumstance.

Oh and, Captain Lackwit, you said its bigger than the T-65, butaccording to the cross section book it is 12.48 meters long, whereas the T-65 is 12.5 meters. So its engines and a few other things might be bigger, but it is shorter....not by much mind you

Hah.

0.02m shorter. That's pretty funny, actually. It certainly got a little bit fatter though!

Tonight, while watching the Lego Star Wars: The Resistance Rises animated shorts, there was a scene with 2 pretty cool Prequel-era ships that are now operating half a century later during the time of the Force Awakens.

Even though the animated short are not canon, these ships are Canon and they don’t look out of place in a different time era.

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There’s even a ship in there that no one seems to have ever mentioned before.

The SS-54 Assault Ship. A ship that no one’s brought up but popular enough to make into a Lego set. It’s canon and it's rad.

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I did some digging in the Lego catalog to see if there are any other canon nuggets and came up with 2 other ships that get mentioned ever now and then here, but don’t get the attention they deserve. 2 more ships that were popular enough to become Lego sets. The HH-87 Starhopper and G9 Rigger freighter.

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These 3 ships are prequel-era ships that can definitely fit in with the Galactic Civil War Era and would be awesome to see on the 3x3.

So to answer all those other threads about the possibility of Prequel-era ships, if it’s these ships, yes, definitely, yes.

I totally knew about 'em... even used a few in my HUTT Fleet joint last year and suches.

:D

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Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

391a9ff1dd3a37b16fcf2d29fdd789aaf2eebdce

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

T-70-blaster.jpg

That blaster cannon is clearly something not stock.

If it is stock, then you're right. But I doubt it is, considering the pilot has to completely give up control to aim the **** thing.

Well if it's not stock then it must be something that Poe adds to all his X-wings, since he had it on the one that got destroyed on Jakku and also seemingly on his black-and-orange X-wing according to the cross-sections.

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Or at least that seems like the spot where the blaster would be while retracted.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

391a9ff1dd3a37b16fcf2d29fdd789aaf2eebdce

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

T-70-blaster.jpg

That blaster cannon is clearly something not stock.

If it is stock, then you're right. But I doubt it is, considering the pilot has to completely give up control to aim the **** thing.

Well if it's not stock then it must be something that Poe adds to all his X-wings, since he had it on the one that got destroyed on Jakku and also seemingly on his black-and-orange X-wing according to the cross-sections.

Poe_X-wing_blaster.jpg

Or at least that seems like the spot where the blaster would be while retracted.

If you mean in the picture, it would go behind the torpedo launchers...where (not shown on this cross section book) is the cargo area of the Xwing (well it is is for the T-65, so likely the T-70 too). I could see it being added by him or as a standard thing, or even just added on missions when they dont need a lot of cargo and think they are landing in enemy territory.

Something i'm sure Wraith Squadron would use if they were in the Resistance and in T-70s.

Hmm lots of ugly... Why not pull some ships from the Legacy of the Force Era though?

Well using two people in an expandable fighter is a bit... well.

Otherwise: hollowed out the engine slot and fit a guy in. Having a man for gunnery rather than an AI. Having a turret underneath a starfighter (confusion of role).

It also seems to fit a LOT in basically a TIE Fighter chassis. Where are they fitting this? Imagination? Star Wars is common for this, but at least the Falcon's interior or the N1 Royal Fighter's astromech unit didn't distend believability.

As previously mentioned: The First Order doesn't treat either their Stormtroopers or their TIE fighter pilots as expendable. Both are natural reactions to the failures of the Empire, particularly as measured against the successes of the Grand Army of the Republic, and the First Order's greatly reduced resources.

As also previously mentioned, the TIE/sf is not a space superiority fighter, it is a special forces craft. Meaning that it is not a simple dogfighter, it is at the very least a multirole craft, and more likely a long-range reconnaisance craft first and foremost.

You mention a confusion of role. I think it's worth noting, with the propensity of Star Wars quoting history, that the Messerschmidt Bf-110 was a two-man fighter with a pilot and a gunner and intended to serve as an air superiority aircraft. Something that, during WWII, it failed at, before finding a new calling as - among other things - a nightfighter. The British had the same idea with using the Boulton Paul Defiant as an air superiority fighter - and it didn't have any fixed forward firing armament at all, with its entire complement of weapons fitted to a turret operated by a gunner.

Cross section doesn't make it any better. Compare it to this:

391a9ff1dd3a37b16fcf2d29fdd789aaf2eebdce

and explain how is it possible that this fighter has everything the X-wing has and a turet and an additional crewmember while being 5 times smaller (and with most of its internal space being hollow).

I would presume that the T-70's lasers are more powerful, and that it has a significantly larger magazine for its proton torpedo launchers than the TIE/sf does for its single missile launcher. Also, the T-70 has a retractable blaster cannon (possibly two of them, in fact, given the location of the one we saw), and I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible for the astromech to aim them backwards while in flight. So no, the TIE/sf doesn't match the T-70 X-wing in firepower.

T-70-blaster.jpg

That blaster cannon is clearly something not stock.

If it is stock, then you're right. But I doubt it is, considering the pilot has to completely give up control to aim the **** thing.

Well if it's not stock then it must be something that Poe adds to all his X-wings, since he had it on the one that got destroyed on Jakku and also seemingly on his black-and-orange X-wing according to the cross-sections.

Poe_X-wing_blaster.jpg

Or at least that seems like the spot where the blaster would be while retracted.

If you mean in the picture, it would go behind the torpedo launchers...where (not shown on this cross section book) is the cargo area of the Xwing (well it is is for the T-65, so likely the T-70 too). I could see it being added by him or as a standard thing, or even just added on missions when they dont need a lot of cargo and think they are landing in enemy territory.

Something i'm sure Wraith Squadron would use if they were in the Resistance and in T-70s.

You can see the cockpit in the screenshot with the blaster, and the engine is between them; clearly the blaster's mounted in the starboard wing. The place I circled looks like it could be a retracted blaster, and that's roughly the right spot. Between the landing gear and the engine is about the only place that has room for it.

After watching the movie the first time I assumed the blaster must've been somewhere on the main fuselage, but re-watching the the scene on DVD and taking that screenshot makes it clear that it's inside the wing even though that's a less logical place to mount a gun.

That is a VERY strange place for a turretted blaster like that.... Silly internal mounted wing-based mini-guns.

Edited by knavelead

There is no logical place to mount a turret with a .50 cal on an F-16. It's just stupid regardless of the placement. But considering the internal space of a TIE/sf is enough to fit everything it has it's safe to assume that the cross section is wrong and most of T-70 fuselage is hollow anyway so you can store there anything you want, like anti-tank rifles, depth charges, field howitzers and ice cream mashines.

There is no logical place to mount a turret with a .50 cal on an F-16. It's just stupid regardless of the placement. But considering the internal space of a TIE/sf is enough to fit everything it has it's safe to assume that the cross section is wrong and most of T-70 fuselage is hollow anyway so you can store there anything you want, like anti-tank rifles, depth charges, field howitzers and ice cream mashines.

The empty image of the T-70 fuselage is jut to show how the Sfoil mechics work. i highly doubt most of it is empty. The T-65 ispacked back there, from the droid socket to cargo, fuel and all other types of equipment. I'd assume the T-70 is built almost the same way.

The biggest thing I have issue with that page of the cross section book is that Poe fires quite a lot more than just the 8 or so torpedoes from Black-1, when the page says/shows it only carrying 8 (or so).