He absolutely is trying to censor people through peer pressure and bullying. He has implied quite strongly that anybody that wasn't thrilled with an FFG release is a nagger with poor manners. That is an attack on the posters themselves, rather than their position, which I find distasteful.

I'm also very disappointed, though not surprised that so many people quickly jumped on the bullying train. You may not like Hobo, and he's so very wrong about the Star Trek reboots, but I've never seen him generally attack someone for having thoughts.

This is of course the internet, you can pretty much conduct yourself however you want as long as it's within the terms of service, but are you sure you want to support the suppression of ideas?

Seeing as you ask, I am bang up alongside discouraging bad ideas. That's not "bullying" or "peer pressure", it's criticism. And it's how we grow as a society.

Hmmmm. I've seen this somewhere before, a bunch of people who took a complaint about a subset of a group as tarring all of that group with the same brush, and were super-duper sensitive to "bullying" and "censorship" when it wasn't them doing it. What were those idiots called? GrumbleGuts? GilbertGrape? GoonerGrump? I wonder what happened to them?

FWIW I like Hobo very much, there's just a couple of things I think he's spectacularly wrong about.

I love that some people love the expansion and some are not so sure.

I love the fact I haven't painted a T-70 black and orange.

I love the fact I would only need one of these expansions.

I love the fact I don't need this expansion to still enjoy playing X-Wing.

Yip yip yip! Too right, mate. Too freakin right.

I only want one Black and Orange T-70

I only want one YT-1300 with a square dish

Both wants in one box

I am satisfied with this logical solution to my gaming and collecting addiction.

Now my Chewbacca with Lando crew can fly next to Rey and Ezra crew.

I personally have no interest in it, and I think some of the decisions made in it were unnecessary(new Poe, Han and Chewie with new abilities), but I know it was inevitable, and I'm glad it's now announced and out of the way.

Same opinion here.

Likely the first X-Wing expansion that I will not buy.

Furthermore, I am looking forward to seeing the TIE/SF also released so that it is out of the way too.

Because we needed another thread on this topic...

Wow! I hadn't seen the Bad Post version yet!

He absolutely is trying to censor people through peer pressure and bullying. He has implied quite strongly that anybody that wasn't thrilled with an FFG release is a nagger with poor manners. That is an attack on the posters themselves, rather than their position, which I find distasteful.

I'm also very disappointed, though not surprised that so many people quickly jumped on the bullying train. You may not like Hobo, and he's so very wrong about the Star Trek reboots, but I've never seen him generally attack someone for having thoughts.

This is of course the internet, you can pretty much conduct yourself however you want as long as it's within the terms of service, but are you sure you want to support the suppression of ideas?

No love, he very clearly stated that his issue was specifically with people who started threads to say how not-thrilled they were with the new expansion. Any wider implication is between you and your persecution complex.

Seeing as you ask, I am bang up alongside discouraging bad ideas. That's not "bullying" or "peer pressure", it's criticism. And it's how we grow as a society.

Hmmmm. I've seen this somewhere before, a bunch of people who took a complaint about a subset of a group as tarring all of that group with the same brush, and were super-duper sensitive to "bullying" and "censorship" when it wasn't them doing it. What were those idiots called? GrumbleGuts? GilbertGrape? GoonerGrump? I wonder what happened to them?

FWIW I like Hobo very much, there's just a couple of things I think he's spectacularly wrong about.

Can I have a list

I'm firmly pro choice, if you don't want to see valid criticism don't go into a thread the only person who makes you read whine threads is yourself, if you have a dissenting opinion voice it but be prepared to have your arguments picked apart.

Labelling people whiners is just trying to shame them into silence so if people want to throw accusations of bullying around they may want to beware glass houses.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me just look at some of my conversations with Baa

Labelling people whiners is just trying to shame them into silence so if people want to throw accusations of bullying around they may want to beware glass houses.

As a wise man once said, the only person who makes you read threads whining about about whine threads is yourself. Feel free to voice your opinion but be prepared to have your argument picked apart.

I love that some people love the expansion and some are not so sure.

I love the fact I haven't painted a T-70 black and orange.

I love the fact I would only need one of these expansions.

I love the fact I don't need this expansion to still enjoy playing X-Wing.

Same thing here. Well said.

I like that its an expansion that's not meant for ME. Its not always about ME.

This one is definitely about the new players. Not ME. Let live. Let die.

Agreed. I've seen multiple people post on the forum that they're only interested in picking up the ships and characters from the new Star Wars films. Why should they be left out, or left with limited options to choose from?

It was... inevitable... that the Falcon Redux and Poe's X-Wing made an appearance. It's inevitable that the TIE/sf and Kylo Ren's Upsilon-class Shuttle will make an appearance as well.

That might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that those players who want to re-enact battles from the Force Awakens or play with the characters and pilots from the film don't deserve to have them.

If you don't like, don't buy. Simple as that. There's zero reason to sulk about it, though.

People that whine about people whining are however even more annoying.

And people who whine about people who whine about people who whine fall where on the spectrum??

I love that some people love the expansion and some are not so sure.

I love the fact I haven't painted a T-70 black and orange.

I love the fact I would only need one of these expansions.

I love the fact I don't need this expansion to still enjoy playing X-Wing.

Same thing here. Well said.

I like that its an expansion that's not meant for ME. Its not always about ME.

This one is definitely about the new players. Not ME. Let live. Let die.

Agreed. I've seen multiple people post on the forum that they're only interested in picking up the ships and characters from the new Star Wars films. Why should they be left out, or left with limited options to choose from?

It was... inevitable... that the Falcon Redux and Poe's X-Wing made an appearance. It's inevitable that the TIE/sf and Kylo Ren's Upsilon-class Shuttle will make an appearance as well.

That might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that those players who want to re-enact battles from the Force Awakens or play with the characters and pilots from the film don't deserve to have them.

If you don't like, don't buy. Simple as that. There's zero reason to sulk about it, though.

Adding the pilots isn't the issue, adding them with a barely altered model for £40 is, same as the new damage deck really.

Those pilot cards could of come in rebel veterans and no one would of complained.

You are happy with the new expansion, some of us aren't. Stating our opinion either way on a forum specifically meant for this sort of thing isn't whining, it's called being a part of this "community". Telling people to stop discussing this game on this forum by labeling it whining is a form of bullying. I find your OP insufferable and pompous, have a nice day.

Last I checked I had the right to free speech, where do you get of trying to censor people?

If you don't want people's opinions don't click the thread, or maybe avoid forums altogether but don't start dictating how you think others should behave.

Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for speaking your mind, NOT that other people have to listen, care, support you, or host you while you do it. Free Speech does not give you a catch all excuse to say whatever you want without criticism.

If the only defense for what you have to say is literally "The government can't put me in jail for saying it", then it sounds to me like what you have to say is pretty freaking worthless.

Had to login just to 'like this'. Exactly this.

Because we needed another thread on this topic...

Wow! I hadn't seen the Bad Post version yet!

I DO NOT like to have to bring it out much... but once in a while you get a real monster that needs a few blast on it's stinking ass.

People that whine about people whining are however even more annoying.

And people who whine about people who whine about people who whine fall where on the spectrum??

Inter-web-dopes...

I love that some people love the expansion and some are not so sure.

I love the fact I haven't painted a T-70 black and orange.

I love the fact I would only need one of these expansions.

I love the fact I don't need this expansion to still enjoy playing X-Wing.

Same thing here. Well said.

I like that its an expansion that's not meant for ME. Its not always about ME.

This one is definitely about the new players. Not ME. Let live. Let die.

Agreed. I've seen multiple people post on the forum that they're only interested in picking up the ships and characters from the new Star Wars films. Why should they be left out, or left with limited options to choose from?

It was... inevitable... that the Falcon Redux and Poe's X-Wing made an appearance. It's inevitable that the TIE/sf and Kylo Ren's Upsilon-class Shuttle will make an appearance as well.

That might not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that those players who want to re-enact battles from the Force Awakens or play with the characters and pilots from the film don't deserve to have them.

If you don't like, don't buy. Simple as that. There's zero reason to sulk about it, though.

Wisest comments I have read about it

K7 this doesn't stop any of those things from existing. It's not a waste. And why not now ? Wave 9 is coming too and has at least four ships, four SKUs. Why does everyone now think a new release has to be a fix ? Screw that ****. I want these new releases for the Resistance. Bring on the First Order too.

IG don't bother arguing with hobo. Waste of your time.

I am disappointed like many others

A lot are happy with it, and a lot aren't.

Do we really need another falcon already?

The old one is still doing fine imo

And poe?

Do they need to duplicate pilots after being released 5 months ago? Pilots who have been in a lot of top spots recently?

I'm sorry but I hated the two ship meta, and everyone using turrets.

The game became unfun.

I hope this doesn't put us back into that.

The Rebels have so many turret options, a lot were getting sick of turret wing.

I much prefer ace wing, swarms, and whatever else there is.

Not every release had to be a fix, usually the in between releases like Imperial veterans, rebel aces, the gozanti, raider, tantive, and transport all included some sort of upgrades / new pilots/ fixes for ships that needed them.

The awing was welcomed, The defender and bombers definitely needed ii etc

So I guess it's fair to think that whatever they released between wave 8 and 9 would be a update for something

Many have been asking for Ewings, scyks and vipers to get an update.

Therefore when I saw this I was surprised.

I thought really?

This before others?

I think it could have waited.

Maybe it's because I like Imperial more, or maybe I hated the turret wing two ship meta.

Plus I really don't think we needed poe again so soon.

Feels like a cash grab to me.

Especially since they are recycling a pilot that we just got in December

With all that said, maybe there is something in there we don't know yet that'll make Ewing more viable, or star vipers, but I am extremely disappointed about seeing another poe.

And just as many are excited for it, people are also allowed to be disappointed

I don't know why some are complaining about an additional (different) falcon model. We have an additional X-wing model in the transporter and the aces pack. Like B- and A-wings. Same with Interceptors in the Aces. TIE-Fighter models in the Assault carrier, TIE advanced in the raider. Z95 and Y-wings in the Most Wanted. Bombers, Defenders, etc etc. They are all the same model (with sometimes different paint jobs). I can also remember some people complaining why the Most Wanted Box didn't include a Firespray model. And now...

Well I Wasn't overly excited for reasons that I stated.

People are not unhappy because it's a different model. It's because the ships isn't what people expected to see.

I would like to have seen these ships introduced, but not before others have become worth while

The tie fighters needed some new pilots, as it's been a long time since we had any (wave 1)

The bwing didn't really need it, but the awing certainly needed some lovin which it got in the aces pack

The Z95 and ywing was an introduction package to the scum

Interceptors needed some attention as well. The royal guard title helped them.

They needed it with all the bloody turrets around, and it still wasnt enough not until auto thrusters came into play

Bombers and defender definitely needed an update.

I don't understand how someone can compare those to this new expansion with the falcon and t70

Those ships, awing, defender, bombers, Z95, interceptors,and xwing needed an update a lot more than the falcon and t70 do at the moment

How many defenders and bombers do you see in top spots since their release?

How many falcons and poe have you seen in top spots since their release?

There's the difference.

Now how many Ewing (not counting coran) or scyks, star vipers, Imperial firespray, bwing, t65 xwing do we see in top spots?

What bugs me the most is poe.

I really can't believe we are getting his ship already and updated pilot card.

I mean that seems very lazy to me.

Kind of like TFA movie, seemed very lazy on the writers part.

That's just my opinion

Disappointed

(and for the record I did like TFA, much better than the prequels, but the rehash of a new hope felt lazy, and I couldn't help think that while watching the movie)

Edit

By the way if people want to whine or whatever, then so be it.

This is the Internet making a thread about it is never going to stop it.

Maybe it makes you feel good, idk, but really it's a waste of your time

It really isn't much different making a post about it.

It's like whinning about the whinners.

Seems counter productive to me

Well I Wasn't overly excited for reasons that I stated.

People are not unhappy because it's a different model. It's because the ships isn't what people expected to see.

I would like to have seen these ships introduced, but not before others have become worth while

The tie fighters needed some new pilots, as it's been a long time since we had any (wave 1)

The bwing didn't really need it, but the awing certainly needed some lovin which it got in the aces pack

The Z95 and ywing was an introduction package to the scum

Interceptors needed some attention as well. The royal guard title helped them.

They needed it with all the bloody turrets around, and it still wasnt enough not until auto thrusters came into play

Bombers and defender definitely needed an update.

I don't understand how someone can compare those to this new expansion with the falcon and t70

Those ships, awing, defender, bombers, Z95, interceptors,and xwing needed an update a lot more than the falcon and t70 do at the moment

How many defenders and bombers do you see in top spots since their release?

How many falcons and poe have you seen in top spots since their release?

There's the difference.

Now how many Ewing (not counting coran) or scyks, star vipers, Imperial firespray, bwing, t65 xwing do we see in top spots?

What bugs me the most is poe.

I really can't believe we are getting his ship already and updated pilot card.

I mean that seems very lazy to me.

Kind of like TFA movie, seemed very lazy on the writers part.

That's just my opinion

Disappointed

(and for the record I did like TFA, much better than the prequels, but the rehash of a new hope felt lazy, and I couldn't help think that while watching the movie)

Edit

By the way if people want to whine or whatever, then so be it.

This is the Internet making a thread about it is never going to stop it.

Maybe it makes you feel good, idk, but really it's a waste of your time

It really isn't much different making a post about it.

It's like whinning about the whinners.

Seems counter productive to me

I agree with most of your arguments. B-wings and Interceptors for example didn't need a boost, but it was great to have additional pilots and options.

Furthermore I am sure this mini-expansion do not slow down other expansion processes. You mentioned Bombers and Defenders. And they will come for sure. No orange Poe will stop them. So why not enjoying both. It is like waiting for your birthday party in a month and a friend of you surprisingly additionally makes a pre-party for you two weeks before. Nobody will take your real birthday, just enjoy the pre-party.

Your right, it probably doesn't slow down the expansion process

And don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I did expect it at some point, but not so soon

Personally I think it would have been better to release it at a much later date.

Spend time on wave 9-10 update some other ships in between and by then the t70 and the falcon may be at the point that they could use an ace pack

For me id rather have seen it released at a time when the t70 and falcons/pwt ships needs something to keep them on the table.

Down the road they may need that anyway, just don't see the need for it yet imo

Others may argue not every release needs to fix something, but I feel if something isn't hitting the table at all, or much then they should make those ships more viable before releasing other packs.

Ships like the scyks missed their mark big time.

I think a scum scyks/starviper or Ewing/xwing t65 pack would have had a much higher applause, and less negativity