Oh wait, her name was Mary? My bad.

Oh, and PS 8 Luke crashed TWICE in ESB, when he was presumedly at the height of his piloting skill. PS 8, er, 9 Poe only crashed once in TFA.

Just saying...

People do realize why Rey is truly ps8?

She is the reincarnation of Vader in a sense.

Just like vadar is born of the mitochondria so was Rey. Vadar was neither the first nor the last.

That's why she is a natural at the force and appears way stronger then she should be.

People do realize why Rey is truly ps8?

She is the reincarnation of Vader in a sense.

Just like vadar is born of the mitochondria so was Rey. Vadar was neither the first nor the last.

That's why she is a natural at the force and appears way stronger then she should be.

Citation needed.

People do realize why Rey is truly ps8?

She is the reincarnation of Vader in a sense.

Just like vadar is born of the mitochondria so was Rey. Vadar was neither the first nor the last.

That's why she is a natural at the force and appears way stronger then she should be.

But Anakin/Vader is actually experienced.

Pod-racing notwithstanding, he actually fought in the Clone Wars, both as a pilot (the prequels) and as a military general officer (the Clone Wars show). Having "the force" shouldn't be an automatic "I'm uber at everything" card. Should we assume that the Coruscant Master-Chef is also a force user?

Joke aside, Luke wasn't necessarily all that awesome in a snowspeeder to be honest, and also spectacularly crashed his X-Wing on Dagobah.... My opinion is that Ep.VIII Rey doesn't have the same "pilot skill and combat experience" that an Ep.VI Luke Skywalker has. She might be a prodigy, but she lacks actual combat experience.

Who knows, maybe she becomes an interstellar Top Ace Master Chef in Ep.9, and FFG has info we don't have...

Get over it.

Oh, and PS 8 Luke crashed TWICE in ESB, when he was presumedly at the height of his piloting skill. PS 8, er, 9 Poe only crashed once in TFA.

Just saying...

Poe didn't even crash. He got shot down when his gunner got distracted and failed to do his job taking out the missiles chasing em.

People do realize why Rey is truly ps8?

She is the reincarnation of Vader in a sense.

Just like vadar is born of the mitochondria so was Rey. Vadar was neither the first nor the last.

That's why she is a natural at the force and appears way stronger then she should be.

But Anakin/Vader is actually experienced.

Pod-racing notwithstanding, he actually fought in the Clone Wars, both as a pilot (the prequels) and as a military general officer (the Clone Wars show). Having "the force" shouldn't be an automatic "I'm uber at everything" card. Should we assume that the Coruscant Master-Chef is also a force user?

Joke aside, Luke wasn't necessarily all that awesome in a snowspeeder to be honest, and also spectacularly crashed his X-Wing on Dagobah.... My opinion is that Ep.VIII Rey doesn't have the same "pilot skill and combat experience" that an Ep.VI Luke Skywalker has. She might be a prodigy, but she lacks actual combat experience.

Who knows, maybe she becomes an interstellar Top Ace Master Chef in Ep.9, and FFG has info we don't have...

Or FFG will release a Star Wars based cooking game.

People do realize why Rey is truly ps8?

She is the reincarnation of Vader in a sense.

Just like vadar is born of the mitochondria so was Rey. Vadar was neither the first nor the last.

That's why she is a natural at the force and appears way stronger then she should be.

Oh come on dude you can't even say midichlorian correctly.

Alright, I skipped the last few pages.

I think this gif pretty much sums it up:

Yes, Rey is amazing at stuff. So what? Why is that such an issue?

It's not like it would be IMPOSSIBLE to explain how Rey got her abilities - certainly, there are better pilots/force users/mechanics/etc than her in the series, already. It's just that the movie makes no attempt to do so at all. It doesn't even hint that there IS an explanation, just...*pow*...she's immediately perfect at everything she tries.

At least little Annie in the prequels had an "unusually high midichlorian count", which everyone groaned at, and didn't really get elaborated on...but it meant there was a reason he was closest-character-to-Rey's-level-of-unnaturally-good-at-everything.

The most common anti-midichlorian complaint is "WE DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TO EVERYTHING"

It's a crazy day when people start citing "Midichlorians" as good writing.

I didn't say it was good writing - indeed, it was pretty hacky writing. But at least it indicated there was an explanation. We got more of them in the OT - Luke's father was the 'greatest star pilot in the galaxy'...and he was pretty good flying, himself. So it would follow he could probably handle an X-Wing with some training (even though he still almost got shot down twice and had to be saved by Wedge then Han). Han Solo, himself, was a decent pilot - but had a long history as a smuggler, trained at the Imperial Academy, and even then screwed up pretty regularly. They didn't (at the time) go into detail what those things MEANT...but clearly indicated 'hey this character is pretty good, and there is a reason for it, we'll get to that later'.

Rey didn't even get anything as half-explained as 'unusually high midichlorians'.

It's obvious that she's strong in the Force. There are six previous movies that show how the Force makes someone really badass. What more explanation do you need?

Part of what's throwing people off - I speculate - is part of the intention. I don't think that we were meant to realize that Rey was the main character, until she started doing the really amazing stuff in the movie. In the trailers and looking at the toys that came out, and the available imagery, you would have thought that Rey was supporting cast. In the trailer you saw Finn with the lightsaber, not Rey.

I think they wanted to surprise us with Rey. The fact that she was good at stuff was supposed to be explained after-the-fact with the revelation that she's the force-sensitive one; not Finn or anyone else.

I don't know anyone who thought fin would end up the Jedi, it was obvious really that it would be Ray because she was from nottatooine.

What did surprise me was how insignificant Poe was given he was so heavily featured in advertising.

I don't know anyone who thought fin would end up the Jedi, it was obvious really that it would be Ray because she was from nottatooine.

What did surprise me was how insignificant Poe was given he was so heavily featured in advertising.

Yeah, though their original plan was to kill him off in the opening scene; just they suddenly found that it would have been a waste for them to have done so. It would explain why he basically disappears in the entire midsection of the movie. That probably is one of the few things that actually bothers me, but then again they also wanted to build a bridge between Rey and Finn, something that a bromance would have likely made difficult.

So it's really best to kind of think of him as the Wedge crossed with Lando, charming fellow, but ultimately his job is to actually save the day while the heroes are fighting their small scale duels. XD (That of course is said in jest. I know he couldn't have pulled the shot off without the charges, because this time the weak point wasn't a weak point! XD)

Regarding Poe firing over a dozen torpedoes into the oscillator: The fuselage of the Black One is filled with torpedoes, machismo and rainbows. Don't question the Poe!

Regarding Rey and the butt hurt from everyone who hates TFA for simultaneously being too much Star Wars and not enough:

Rey is barely an adult human female that easily kicks the crap out of rough and tumble thugs when they try to steal her droid. She has been piloting ships around the junk yard and taking them apart, modifying them and putting them back together her whole life. and she's got theForce. And it has Awakened.

Look, you either liked the movie or you didn't. Don't take it out on Rey or some game company that turned her into a PS8 pilot.

YOU MEAN IT'S NOT REAL!?!?!

I don't know anyone who thought fin would end up the Jedi, it was obvious really that it would be Ray because she was from nottatooine.

What did surprise me was how insignificant Poe was given he was so heavily featured in advertising.

Yeah, though their original plan was to kill him off in the opening scene; just they suddenly found that it would have been a waste for them to have done so. It would explain why he basically disappears in the entire midsection of the movie. That probably is one of the few things that actually bothers me, but then again they also wanted to build a bridge between Rey and Finn, something that a bromance would have likely made difficult.

So it's really best to kind of think of him as the Wedge crossed with Lando, charming fellow, but ultimately his job is to actually save the day while the heroes are fighting their small scale duels. XD (That of course is said in jest. I know he couldn't have pulled the shot off without the charges, because this time the weak point wasn't a weak point! XD)

Nah he's princess Leia light.

Nah, he's a wedge alright. Only instead of being one of two survivors of the flght team, he actually took the doomsday device out.

Nah, he's a wedge alright. Only instead of being one of two survivors of the flght team, he actually took the doomsday device out.

Nah, he's a wedge alright. Only instead of being one of two survivors of the flght team, he actually took the doomsday device out.

Wedge and Luke took the doomsday device out as well. In fact, it's more impressive as the only support they had was Biggs.

He's probably also the best pilot in the galaxy. I mean, he flew through an X-wing sized hole not once, but twice. He may have a bigger role in Episode VIII.

So did Wedge.

Well I know I won't be sated until we see another repackaging of her at PS 9 whenever it's right to do such a thing after the next movie comes out.

And you know what's awesome albeit relegated to legends status? Chewbacca loves a good full service grooming. We're talking shampoo, nail trimming, brushing. The works. Just imagine that for a second.

I don't know anyone who thought fin would end up the Jedi, it was obvious really that it would be Ray because she was from nottatooine.

What did surprise me was how insignificant Poe was given he was so heavily featured in advertising.

Yeah, though their original plan was to kill him off in the opening scene; just they suddenly found that it would have been a waste for them to have done so. It would explain why he basically disappears in the entire midsection of the movie. That probably is one of the few things that actually bothers me, but then again they also wanted to build a bridge between Rey and Finn, something that a bromance would have likely made difficult.

So it's really best to kind of think of him as the Wedge crossed with Lando, charming fellow, but ultimately his job is to actually save the day while the heroes are fighting their small scale duels. XD (That of course is said in jest. I know he couldn't have pulled the shot off without the charges, because this time the weak point wasn't a weak point! XD)

Nah he's princess Leia light.

'cuz he's beautiful and Finn needs a prince(ss), amirite?

Alright, I skipped the last few pages.

I think this gif pretty much sums it up:

Yes, Rey is amazing at stuff. So what? Why is that such an issue?

Cause it makes for a poorly written and uninteresting character :>

Anyways - anyone tried Rey with the new title ? Had a game earlier today, Rey + Kanan + Kyle + PTL + new title + Engine upgrade. Suuuuper fun to fly, oddly enough, but having both PTL and Kyle feels excessive, I think the build definitely gets improved by switching Kyle for a 3PO to ensure evades and improve survavability. Rey wants to be in the thick of it, shooting through her front and the Falcon doesn't have that many actions (target lock is pointless if you can get a target in arc). Doing a 3-white Sloop every turn is *really* good, honestly and with a boost it makes for a pretty nifty ship. Would have loved to have a natural barrel roll on it - still not sold by PTL, so maybe an expert handling could be worth.

She's PS8 for two reasons.

First, she's shown as a good pilot in the movie. No-brainer there.

Second, her ability works best with a higher PS, especially when combined with the new Falcon title. It means you are both more likely to actually get ships in arc and you are taking less risk by putting ships in arc because you often shoot first.

A lot of people forget how much game mechanics can affect PS. Hera from Star Wars Rebels is a crazy good pilot to the point she could basically punk Darth Vader, but she's PS7 because her ability becomes absurd at anything higher in a way that's unhealthy to the game experience. Similarly, Dengar's never been shown as a particularly amazing pilot in the EU (Beyond LOL Corellians), but he's PS9 because Scum needed another PS9 ship and like Rey there's more incentive to actually use his ability when you can move last.

I am afraid Poe will die next movie so they don't have to rewrite 9 too much. Just a gut feeling.

My feeling as well. As I already wrote back in december15 when summing up my impression from TFA:

"Poe not afraid of Kylo: Poe seems to be totally reckless, reckless to a degree that it will get him killed in the end. Really fitting for a fighter ace."

The novels are not needed. Except for the fans that feel that they need every little thing explained to them.

Rey says she is a pilot, why do you need more than that.

Because flying a freighter is nothing like a fighter bomber, from the falcon cockpit you do not have any clue how close the port side is to an obstruction so if you've never flown it before there's no way you fly through terrain the way she did.

I've been flying star fighters 30 years and I couldn't take the falcon through that wreck, and if I can't do it then some scavenger from tatooine Jr wouldn't do it without being Mary sue.

Although Star Wars i WW2 planes in space. Do you really believe that the Falcon has no proximity sensors on the far side, and is flown completely visual??

Alright, I skipped the last few pages.

I think this gif pretty much sums it up:

This gif gives a nice view of the Quadjumper

Rey kicks butt.

PS-8 is perfect.

She flew that Falcon brilliantly through the Jakku ship graveyard.

Also, it's a made up universe.

She's PS8 for two reasons.

First, she's shown as a good pilot in the movie. No-brainer there.

Second, her ability works best with a higher PS, especially when combined with the new Falcon title. It means you are both more likely to actually get ships in arc and you are taking less risk by putting ships in arc because you often shoot first.

A lot of people forget how much game mechanics can affect PS. Hera from Star Wars Rebels is a crazy good pilot to the point she could basically punk Darth Vader, but she's PS7 because her ability becomes absurd at anything higher in a way that's unhealthy to the game experience. Similarly, Dengar's never been shown as a particularly amazing pilot in the EU (Beyond LOL Corellians), but he's PS9 because Scum needed another PS9 ship and like Rey there's more incentive to actually use his ability when you can move last.

Hera was a good pilot, but I don't remember her being as good as everyone on the boards here seems to say she is. When did she punk Vader? And I distinctly remember her getting shot down (essentially, even if she escaped into hyperspace) by Fenn Rau (who I'd love to see in game as a high PS ace for a mandalorian fang fighter in the scum faction).

She's PS8 for two reasons.

First, she's shown as a good pilot in the movie. No-brainer there.

Second, her ability works best with a higher PS, especially when combined with the new Falcon title. It means you are both more likely to actually get ships in arc and you are taking less risk by putting ships in arc because you often shoot first.

A lot of people forget how much game mechanics can affect PS. Hera from Star Wars Rebels is a crazy good pilot to the point she could basically punk Darth Vader, but she's PS7 because her ability becomes absurd at anything higher in a way that's unhealthy to the game experience. Similarly, Dengar's never been shown as a particularly amazing pilot in the EU (Beyond LOL Corellians), but he's PS9 because Scum needed another PS9 ship and like Rey there's more incentive to actually use his ability when you can move last.

Hera was a good pilot, but I don't remember her being as good as everyone on the boards here seems to say she is. When did she punk Vader? And I distinctly remember her getting shot down (essentially, even if she escaped into hyperspace) by Fenn Rau (who I'd love to see in game as a high PS ace for a mandalorian fang fighter in the scum faction).

Leading Vader into the tractor beam trap.

Obviously she's not as good as Vader, but it's just an example of how good a pilot she is. Another example was when she flew the B-Wing prototype and managed to get it doing all sort of ridiculous agile stuff.

You are right that she got shot up by Fenn Rau's forces, though that seems to be the inevitable result of piloting an A-Wing in Rebels. And she was intentionally making herself a target to help Phoenix Squadron escape.