Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

*** shaking my head ***

The phrase "not even wrong" comes to mind. I don't even know where to start rebutting this as it is so full of wrong premises. Let's just leave it at the accusation of not being able to handle a powerful female character is a straight up ad hominem argument and set aside all the other ways it is wrong.

I'm OK with Rey being PS8. She has 3 movies to grow in. Luke was hardly PS8 in ANH. He just got lucky/used the Force.

Yet he is right in that gender is an issue. The filmmakers tried too hard to make her perfect, and her gaffs were an attempt to balance out that perfection. She's a **** Kwisatz Haderach.

The best way to write female characters in an action role is to write a character and then add the feminine pronoun. That's it. Worked for Ripley, worked for femShep (aside from a couple of scenes and the romance options).

Like her posh public school accent, she seems like she's born with a silver spoon on her mouth instead of having really lived the dungheap life she's supposed to have lived. No scars, sun-damaged skin, walks around with exposed shoulders all the time. She's got loads of Force power, and learns it faster than anyone ever including that annoying child from TPM. There is no foreboding. No Morpheus watching her. No Gom Jabbar. In this sense, she is like every single giant mecha anime MC ever*. Jumps in the cockpit with zero experience and boom! Instant ace. See: Amuro Rey.

Contrast with Ripley (written now as a female character not as a male), who we know has no combat training but yet is the epitome of Badass Normal. Whatever she lacks in combat training she makes up for with smarts, technical skill and sheer daring. Single-handedly raid the alien nest and slaughter every remaining critter? HtH with an Alien Queen in a power loader, then flush it out the airlock?

You better believe it.

Rey would have been fantastic if she had used some good old Han moves. Shooting Kylo in the leg with no warning. Headbutts. Concealed weapons. Holy heck, she grew up on The Planet of Fighting Dirty. Part of what makes heroes great is the unique way a hero uses their background and skills to good advantage: Kung Fu Panda taught us that.

*OK there are exceptions.

Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

Rey could of been male and the argument would be identical don't bring gender politics into this.

Ripley from the alien movies is a fantastic female lead, rey is a bland Mary sue.

While I don't disagree that some people might hold the opinion of the writing, I think there's a case that could be made that she's being far more scrutinized than if she were a male. The very notion of a Mary Sue originated around gender. While there are male terms for similar things, they came after, aren't used nearly as much, and aren't as consistently referenced.

Alien

Aliens

Alien3

Terminator 2

Kill bill 1

Kill bill 2

Silence of the lambs

Ghost in the shell

Gits:stand alone complex

Serenity

dollhouse

Hungergames

Darkangel

Paprika

Battlestar galactica

Babylon 5

Orphan black

Farscape

Yeah nerds hate all those because they feature strong female characters.

The notion that rey's under greater scrutiny solely because she's female is asinine in the extreme, she's under scrutiny because she's the protagonist.

It's not like poe and fin haven't also come under fire for their poor characterisation.

The thing with Ripley going at it driving a skid loader with the Alien Queen is that before the mission we are told Ripley is working on the docks driving loaders, on the ship after they come out of cryo Ripley helps out by being shown driving a loader. When the doors open and Ripley tells the Queen to stay away from Newt we're not wondering where the hell Ripley learned to drive a skid loader because they've shown her driving a loader.

Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

Rey could of been male and the argument would be identical don't bring gender politics into this.

Ripley from the alien movies is a fantastic female lead, rey is a bland Mary sue.

While I don't disagree that some people might hold the opinion of the writing, I think there's a case that could be made that she's being far more scrutinized than if she were a male. The very notion of a Mary Sue originated around gender. While there are male terms for similar things, they came after, aren't used nearly as much, and aren't as consistently referenced.

Alien

Aliens

Alien3

Terminator 2

Kill bill 1

Kill bill 2

Silence of the lambs

Ghost in the shell

Gits:stand alone complex

Serenity

dollhouse

Hungergames

Darkangel

Paprika

Battlestar galactica

Babylon 5

Orphan black

Farscape

Yeah nerds hate all those because they feature strong female characters.

The notion that rey's under greater scrutiny solely because she's female is asinine in the extreme, she's under scrutiny because she's the protagonist.

It's not like poe and fin haven't also come under fire for their poor characterisation.

The scrutiny I'm referring to has nothing to do with whether "nerds hate female characters" (that's a strawman argument at this point in the discussion) as much as the fact that this discussion started about a question about Rey's PS in the game and led to her being repeatedly called a Mary Sue and people are defending that perspective to an extreme as if the fact that some people appreciate Rey as a character is either a) wrong or b) offensive, as if these are about correct answers and not opinions.

With respect to many of the characters above, I've read and/or seen similar discussion about many of them as well.

Let's apply a more direct one. There is a male character that is unbelievably flawless--Luke Skywalker. Perhaps you've heard of him, he's one of the most quintessential coming of age heroes of all time.

He blocks a laser bolt on his 3rd try while blinded without any proper force training.

He destroys a multitude of TIE fighters the very first time he climbs into the Gunner's chair of the Falcon,

and the very first time he flies an X-wing (which also happens to be his very first time flying a space ship) makes a one in a trillion shot on the death star with no targeting computer while almost everyone around him dies. If that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what is. And before you try to respond that, let's leave the "he had a T-16 at home and they have similar controls" rebuttal at home. There's a reason I'm not a jet pilot, and it's not because of the lack of a Xbox controller on the dash.

George Lucas doesn't care if you think that T-16 to X-wing transistion is the same as from An-2 to F-22, it just ISN'T. Luke is very confident he can handle the X-wing, Biggs, an ace pilot, vouches for him, but I guess he just hates Luke for not picking up those power converters and wants him dead. Apparently there is also a scene in the radio play in which Luke proves his skills on a simulator.

Also the "Just like Beggar's Canyon back home" line indicates canyon flying in space is also very similar to canyon flying on Tatooine and that Luke did a lot of that.

Stop extragerrating, the shot was clearly one in a million.

Luke accomplishes everything he sets out to and you never get the sense he's in any real danger but he's PS 8 in the game and that's A-okay.

Rey does the same stuff as Luke and is PS 8 and people are screaming "Mary Sue!!!" at the top of their lungs.

Fist thing Luke does is almost killing himself during a strafing run.

Then he destroys one TIE that is focused on chasing Biggs, clearly with help of a targeting computer.

Then a TIE gets on his tail, Biggs moments before survives unscratched but Lukes immediately catches a laser bolt with his engine.

He can't shake it, Wedge saves his life.

Then there comes the Trench Run.

Red Leader demonstrates, that it's not a problem to get to the exhaust port before TIEs catch up.

Luke fails to do that, Vader is on his tail. Vader gets distracted by discovering a connection to the Force in Luke and it takes him a few seconds more to kill him.

As Vader is ready to pull the trigger for the finishing blow, Luke gets saved by Han Solo.

Luke launches torpedoes without a targeting computer, considering that they are pre-programmed, the only thing he needed to do is to pull the trigger in a very specific moment. I imagine it as The Force whispering "now!".

Total kill count: 1 TIE Fighter, 1 Death Star.

The above 11-minute sequence shows Luke being close to death more times than Rey in the entire TFA.

And piloting an X-wing (and deflecting a laser bolt from a training ball) is the only thing he does well in the movie, unlike Rey, being a skilled pilot is just a small portion of her abilities.

...are we arguing about Mary Sue or Pilot Skill? The above sequence shows that Luke isn't a Mary Sue BECAUSE he doesn't deserve 8 for the Battle of Yavin alone. He got it for what he did in the EU flying with Rouges.

Don't like the movie? Don't watch it.

Don't like this expansion? Don't buy it.

All this endless bitching will not delete her character from the movie, or prevent her from entering the game. It just makes you all look desperate to the point of being sad.

I liked the movie just like I liked Jurassic World, I'm not opposed to watching a midless blockbuster with a load of nostalgia from time to time. Disappointing as a continuation of Star Wars, but that's Abrams not Rey or Daisy.

And look at that, a man shouting about strawmans puts in my mouth words that I have never written. And at no point I mentioned anything about wanting to delete her from the movie or preventing from entering the game.

Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

Rey could of been male and the argument would be identical don't bring gender politics into this.

Ripley from the alien movies is a fantastic female lead, rey is a bland Mary sue.

While I don't disagree that some people might hold the opinion of the writing, I think there's a case that could be made that she's being far more scrutinized than if she were a male. The very notion of a Mary Sue originated around gender. While there are male terms for similar things, they came after, aren't used nearly as much, and aren't as consistently referenced.

Alien

Aliens

Alien3

Terminator 2

Kill bill 1

Kill bill 2

Silence of the lambs

Ghost in the shell

Gits:stand alone complex

Serenity

dollhouse

Hungergames

Darkangel

Paprika

Battlestar galactica

Babylon 5

Orphan black

Farscape

Yeah nerds hate all those because they feature strong female characters.

The notion that rey's under greater scrutiny solely because she's female is asinine in the extreme, she's under scrutiny because she's the protagonist.

It's not like poe and fin haven't also come under fire for their poor characterisation.

The scrutiny I'm referring to has nothing to do with whether "nerds hate female characters" (that's a strawman argument at this point in the discussion) as much as the fact that this discussion started about a question about Rey's PS in the game and led to her being repeatedly called a Mary Sue and people are defending that perspective to an extreme as if the fact that some people appreciate Rey as a character is either a) wrong or b) offensive, as if these are about correct answers and not opinions.

With respect to many of the characters above, I've read and/or seen similar discussion about many of them as well.

No no the insinuation was very clearly you only hate her because she's female, with that assertion blown out the water you're now scrambling for another reason.

"Some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character" that's very clearly calling us sexist plain as day no ambiguity at all.

Personally, a lot of this is just people hiding behind "bad writing" because they didn't like something.

Rey being a Mary Sue is a pretty hotly debated topic actually. In my opinion, she's actually pretty lazy character design. It's as if in some alternate universe they would have just taken the rogue trope and applied it to Han Solo, the plucky Chosen One trope for Luke Skywalker, the wise mentor for Ben Kenobi....

wait....

And of course the pilot skill of a character in XWM should be reflective ONLY of what has already been released in other media to the public. Rey should be 4 now, if she gets better at piloting she can get a re-release later.

kappa.

This is what happens when fandom goes too far.

Personally, a lot of this is just people hiding behind "bad writing" because they didn't like something.

This is my room mate to a tee. Dude cannot stand female leads.

Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

Rey could of been male and the argument would be identical don't bring gender politics into this.

Ripley from the alien movies is a fantastic female lead, rey is a bland Mary sue.

While I don't disagree that some people might hold the opinion of the writing, I think there's a case that could be made that she's being far more scrutinized than if she were a male. The very notion of a Mary Sue originated around gender. While there are male terms for similar things, they came after, aren't used nearly as much, and aren't as consistently referenced.

Alien

Aliens

Alien3

Terminator 2

Kill bill 1

Kill bill 2

Silence of the lambs

Ghost in the shell

Gits:stand alone complex

Serenity

dollhouse

Hungergames

Darkangel

Paprika

Battlestar galactica

Babylon 5

Orphan black

Farscape

Yeah nerds hate all those because they feature strong female characters.

The notion that rey's under greater scrutiny solely because she's female is asinine in the extreme, she's under scrutiny because she's the protagonist.

It's not like poe and fin haven't also come under fire for their poor characterisation.

The scrutiny I'm referring to has nothing to do with whether "nerds hate female characters" (that's a strawman argument at this point in the discussion) as much as the fact that this discussion started about a question about Rey's PS in the game and led to her being repeatedly called a Mary Sue and people are defending that perspective to an extreme as if the fact that some people appreciate Rey as a character is either a) wrong or b) offensive, as if these are about correct answers and not opinions.

With respect to many of the characters above, I've read and/or seen similar discussion about many of them as well.

No no the insinuation was very clearly you only hate her because she's female, with that assertion blown out the water you're now scrambling for another reason.

"Some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character" that's very clearly calling us sexist plain as day no ambiguity at all.

Also, take Alien 3 off that list.

I want those who hate Rey to agree that Luke is just as bad, if not a worse character.

Girl Luke is better than Boy Luke. Rey is actually really well-acted.

TFA has better dialogue, better action scenes, and largely better characters.

What it lacks is anything groundbreaking.

I want those who hate Rey to agree that Luke is just as bad, if not a worse character.

Girl Luke is better than Boy Luke. Rey is actually really well-acted.

TFA has better dialogue, better action scenes, and largely better characters.

What it lacks is anything groundbreaking.

Agreed that Rey is a better Luke.

Action scenes in Star Wars are better than TFA. The slower pace of the action in the original movie gives it more tension, and the Death Star is integral to the story whereas Death Star III is just tacked on. Everything in TFA moves too fast.

Light saber fights, about equal.

You can't really expect the 4th Star Wars movie to be groundbreaking. Remember, we live in a post-Star Wars world, it's already been done. The movie was pretty good, it has some flaws but it's worthy of the Star Wars name.

I want those who hate Rey to agree that Luke is just as bad, if not a worse character.

I do not "hate" Rey. Luke is not "just as bad."

What I do hate is that so many can't see the differences between her and Luke and want to say Luke is "just as bad." I bag on another JJ film all the time. His 09 Star Trek endeavor. I think it is horrible on a number of levels but what really drives me crazy is not that folks like it or are okay or enjoy it. Good for them. I minded that so many seemed unable to identify it as a bad movie.

That you enjoyed the film is fine. That you like Rey is fine. That you can't see the difference between Rey and Luke is very very bad.

No no the insinuation was very clearly you only hate her because she's female, with that assertion blown out the water you're now scrambling for another reason.

"Some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character" that's very clearly calling us sexist plain as day no ambiguity at all.

This is veering well off topic, and this direction tends to get threads locked, so rather than continue this I'll just say that wasn't my intent and you're reading way too much into my comment(s). I originally said "scrutiny" and that's what I meant. I wasn't trying to imply it was deliberate, nor that it even applied to everyone here who doesn't like the way Rey was written. My second post attempted to clarify the one you quoted since I felt you badly misinterpreted it (part of which I take responsibility for for not typing things out more clearly in the beginning).

Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

Rey could of been male and the argument would be identical don't bring gender politics into this.

Ripley from the alien movies is a fantastic female lead, rey is a bland Mary sue.

While I don't disagree that some people might hold the opinion of the writing, I think there's a case that could be made that she's being far more scrutinized than if she were a male. The very notion of a Mary Sue originated around gender. While there are male terms for similar things, they came after, aren't used nearly as much, and aren't as consistently referenced.

Alien

Aliens

Alien3

Terminator 2

Kill bill 1

Kill bill 2

Silence of the lambs

Ghost in the shell

Gits:stand alone complex

Serenity

dollhouse

Hungergames

Darkangel

Paprika

Battlestar galactica

Babylon 5

Orphan black

Farscape

Yeah nerds hate all those because they feature strong female characters.

The notion that rey's under greater scrutiny solely because she's female is asinine in the extreme, she's under scrutiny because she's the protagonist.

It's not like poe and fin haven't also come under fire for their poor characterisation.

The scrutiny I'm referring to has nothing to do with whether "nerds hate female characters" (that's a strawman argument at this point in the discussion) as much as the fact that this discussion started about a question about Rey's PS in the game and led to her being repeatedly called a Mary Sue and people are defending that perspective to an extreme as if the fact that some people appreciate Rey as a character is either a) wrong or b) offensive, as if these are about correct answers and not opinions.

With respect to many of the characters above, I've read and/or seen similar discussion about many of them as well.

No no the insinuation was very clearly you only hate her because she's female, with that assertion blown out the water you're now scrambling for another reason.

"Some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character" that's very clearly calling us sexist plain as day no ambiguity at all.

I want those who hate Rey to agree that Luke is just as bad, if not a worse character. Star Wars is successful because of the universe it's set in, not because of its characters. Same with Alien and Aliens.

Also, take Alien 3 off that list.

Counter proposal admit your wrong or i'll add alien resurrection.

Most intelligent argument I've read so far is the one which was made that PS rating isnt a snapshot of what you are aware of in any given moment. It's the peak of a pilot over time. If over the next few movies Rey proves herself to be an accomplished pilot is anyone going to complain she rated PS8? Just take a deep breath and stayed tuned. Fel probably didn't climb into a TIE at PS9 so why should we expect Rey to?

I guess the only thing I could see in the argument is that Rey basically could do all the roles on the Falcon at once; she's a skilled pilot, mechanic, then add to that her abrupt progression (that I felt was wholey natural, considering the urgent position she was placed in) in the force makes her seem like she can do just about anything without spending any time learning it. It's a fair comment, but I attribute it more to the story telling style then anything else.

Luke was an accomplished pilot, a skilled machanic with a high affinity for droids. Out of the three, his progression is simplest because we are shown his capabilities as we go along. He turns out to be pretty handy in a firefight and becomes the only pilot capable of taking that shot.

Anikin skywalker built CP3O out of junk, is a skilled pod racer, picks up piloting starships, shoots down fighters and blows up a space station entirely by accident. The only thing we don't see him do is pick up a light saber or do anything with the force beyond sense and intution, which being 9 years old makes sense.

Rey is a skilled mechanic (makes sense, she takes apart ships so she knows what she needs to take), a skilled pilot with no reported experience, picks up the force quickly and learns to duel quickly against a Darkside kid that has power but lacks discipline.

I guess if anything it's a difference in presentation? Personally it's not something that bothers me.

There aren't very many explanations that make sense.

A) She is mary sue - which bothers me

B) She was mind wiped and false memories of her childhood planted - bothers me a lot

C) Luke (or one of the dead jedi) were projecting their presence onto Rey (Luke did this in the EU to help Jaina fight Jayce) - which REALLY bothers me

D) She has unexplained backstory that some how she's a fantastic pilot (partially true. The novelization of TFA says she spends time in the simulator) - I'm ok with that

E) She is Anakin reborn - I'm actually ok with that one too

F) The rey card is post ep7, very post - sure, maybe.

Most intelligent argument I've read so far is the one which was made that PS rating isnt a snapshot of what you are aware of in any given moment. It's the peak of a pilot over time. If over the next few movies Rey proves herself to be an accomplished pilot is anyone going to complain she rated PS8? Just take a deep breath and stayed tuned. Fel probably didn't climb into a TIE at PS9 so why should we expect Rey to?

Fel started at PS12 age slowed him down a little.

Wow some people on here really can't handle a powerful female character.

James Bond? He's so sexy, all the women want him and all the men want to be him.

Captain America? What a virtuous hunk, pure and true. I haven't heard a single complaint about the avengers being too powerful through the 237 movies in that franchise.

Rey? This is a stupid movie written by stupid people and should be re-written so Rey is believably sh*tty as she ought to be.

MAKE HIM PILOT SKILL -1!!!!!

There aren't very many explanations that make sense.

A) She is mary sue - which bothers me

B) She was mind wiped and false memories of her childhood planted - bothers me a lot

C) Luke (or one of the dead jedi) were projecting their presence onto Rey (Luke did this in the EU to help Jaina fight Jayce) - which REALLY bothers me

D) She has unexplained backstory that some how she's a fantastic pilot (partially true. The novelization of TFA says she spends time in the simulator) - I'm ok with that

E) She is Anakin reborn - I'm actually ok with that one too

F) The rey card is post ep7, very post - sure, maybe.

You know what, Rey is not a Mary Sue when it comes to the piloting. She destroys about half of the junktown when taking off in the Falcon, and flies so close to the deck that she kicks up sand. This is with shields and repulsorlift technology.

Regarding the dogfight, she immediately tosses away her energy (altitude) advantage and hits the deck, flying the YT-1300 like it was her speeder bike on the run from some junkers. Basically, she flies the thing like an attack chopper, which is totally different from flying a fighter aircraft (hugging the deck gets you killed).

The Epsilon pilots were clearly PS1 because they didn't pull up and casually pick her off from long range and high altitude.

Compared to Kylo Ren, she's probably had to fight for her life repeatedly... the Force merely levels the playing field and lets her beat his emo ass.

Her awesome skillz that aren't explained by Jakku and The Force quite possibly have to do with her mysterious abandonment by her parents and possible memory erasure. Remember,Force-less Poe learned to fly an A-Wing at age five. Jedi brats her age were assembling lightsabres.

A lot of this Mary-Sue impression merely comes from people saying she's a Mary Sue. For me, it's her posh demanour that causes the problems.

Putting aside the fact that the two TIEs she faced were professional pilots - and even IF they were straight out of the academy / flight school, they too would have spent time in a simulator.

Yes, Rey has an advantage of being "on home ground" and knowing the terrain - that doesn't translate into actual piloting skill. That's just knowledge of the terrain. Being able to fly the Falcon (despite never having actually climbed inside it before....) and pulling off what she did, was either fluke, skill, or pure insanity.

She might be a flight simulator prodigy (but since I too play DCS A-10, they should let me fly one too!), but that doesn't make her automatically an ace pilot in a ship she's never climbed into before.

She could be gifted, talented, studious, but for the first time in her life she gets aboard a YT-1300, she's already classed "better" than a 181st ace, Turr Phennir.

Starting her off as a PS5 or PS6, and then getting an expansion upgrade (like they did for Poe who went from 8 to 9) would've been far more acceptable and would make more sense.

I understand that in the Star Wars films the Empire is comically incompetant, but still....

Putting aside the fact that the two TIEs she faced were professional pilots - and even IF they were straight out of the academy / flight school, they too would have spent time in a simulator.

Yes, Rey has an advantage of being "on home ground" and knowing the terrain - that doesn't translate into actual piloting skill. That's just knowledge of the terrain. Being able to fly the Falcon (despite never having actually climbed inside it before....) and pulling off what she did, was either fluke, skill, or pure insanity.

She might be a flight simulator prodigy (but since I too play DCS A-10, they should let me fly one too!), but that doesn't make her automatically an ace pilot in a ship she's never climbed into before.

Starting her off as a PS5 or PS6, and then getting an expansion upgrade (like they did for Poe who went from 8 to 9) would've been far more acceptable and would make more sense.

I understand that in the Star Wars films the Empire is comically incompetant, but still....

1st, point. Its alluded to several times that's she is at least casually familiar with the ship, in regards to the various parts that have been fitted to it.

2nd. Completely agree. a 4-5 would of been fair to represent that she was capable of fly it well/ competently. PS8 represents pilots that have experience in combat tactics etc.

Regarding Poe firing over a dozen torpedoes into the oscillator: The fuselage of the Black One is filled with torpedoes, machismo and rainbows. Don't question the Poe!

Regarding Rey and the butt hurt from everyone who hates TFA for simultaneously being too much Star Wars and not enough:

Rey is barely an adult human female that easily kicks the crap out of rough and tumble thugs when they try to steal her droid. She has been piloting ships around the junk yard and taking them apart, modifying them and putting them back together her whole life. and she's got theForce. And it has Awakened.

Look, you either liked the movie or you didn't. Don't take it out on Rey or some game company that turned her into a PS8 pilot.

Putting aside the fact that the two TIEs she faced were professional pilots - and even IF they were straight out of the academy / flight school, they too would have spent time in a simulator.

Yes, Rey has an advantage of being "on home ground" and knowing the terrain - that doesn't translate into actual piloting skill. That's just knowledge of the terrain. Being able to fly the Falcon (despite never having actually climbed inside it before....) and pulling off what she did, was either fluke, skill, or pure insanity.

She might be a flight simulator prodigy (but since I too play DCS A-10, they should let me fly one too!), but that doesn't make her automatically an ace pilot in a ship she's never climbed into before.

Starting her off as a PS5 or PS6, and then getting an expansion upgrade (like they did for Poe who went from 8 to 9) would've been far more acceptable and would make more sense.

I understand that in the Star Wars films the Empire is comically incompetant, but still....

1st, point. Its alluded to several times that's she is at least casually familiar with the ship, in regards to the various parts that have been fitted to it.

2nd. Completely agree. a 4-5 would of been fair to represent that she was capable of fly it well/ competently. PS8 represents pilots that have experience in combat tactics etc.

I'm guessing FFG is hedging their bets here, and maybe even has hints about the pilot she'll be rather than basing it off of one movie. I highly doubt they'll be releasing a third falcon expansion in that time, so there's not going to be a convienent way to re-release her the way they did with Poe, a model everyone pretty much expected to see again at some point.