I hope the new generic is good enough for me to finally use my Zombie Hedgehog YT-1300

it's a strange choice in that people were expecting an Imperial Vets type box with rebel ships (x and e, specifically)

for heroes of the resistance, though, those two ships were really the only choice

This. Altough, if the sole purpose was to introduce the new pilots/characters from TFA they could have made an expansion like most wanted and include just the cards, like Firespray pilots and HWK pilots. They could choose another ship model than the Falcon, a more generic ship. It's all been done before. I would also be surprised if they included a Firespray in the Most Wanted box. I'm glad they didn't

Black one seems to be tailor made for BB-8 Push new Poe ... interestingly, it is not once per turn...

Whoa, no it is not once per round. I totally missed that.

There will indeed be some very unhappy Imperial Aces running around once this lands.

They could choose another ship model than the Falcon, a more generic ship.

Exactly what other ship could they include in the Heroes of the Resistance pack? There were effectively 4 fighters movies. The Tie/FO, Tie/SF, the Falcon and the T-70 X-Wing.

They don't mix factions in expansion packs. That means they had exactly two options to put in a big box expansion, the YT and the T-70. So no they really couldn't choose to put another ship in there.

I think it's a smart move by FFG, you can buy the TFA core and now the Heroes of the Resistance and mostly recreate any scene from the movie. Maybe pick up a couple of TIE/fo packs and a single T-70 for completion, and BAM you've got a solid little X-Wing collection going, simply because you liked the new movie.

It's going to bring a ton of new players in and I'm very excited about that.

Black one seems to be tailor made for BB-8 Push new Poe ... interestingly, it is not once per turn...

Whoa, no not it is not. I totally missed that.

Yeah BB-8, and Black One means you can barrel roll via BB-8, move, boost and drop two TL's. If you have PtL you can get a 3rd action in...

Heck if you have PtL you can reveal a gree, barrel roll via BB-8, Push for a boost, dropping two TL's, then do the green removing the stress, and then get a 3rd action...

They could choose another ship model than the Falcon, a more generic ship.

Exactly what other ship could they include in the Heroes of the Resistance pack? There were effectively 4 fighters movies. The Tie/FO, Tie/SF, the Falcon and the T-70 X-Wing.

They don't mix factions in expansion packs. That means they had exactly two options to put in a big box expansion, the YT and the T-70. So no they really couldn't choose to put another ship in there.

Another T-70 with the awesome paint-sceme, just like the two interceptors in Imp Aces

I think it's a smart move by FFG, you can buy the TFA core and now the Heroes of the Resistance and mostly recreate any scene from the movie. Maybe pick up a couple of TIE/fo packs and a single T-70 for completion, and BAM you've got a solid little X-Wing collection going, simply because you liked the new movie.

It's going to bring a ton of new players in and I'm very excited about that.

AND... this IS still coming too!

BUT that wouldn't have been a very good entry point for people that want to get in to the films and the box wouldn't look as tempting if you can't see the Minellium Falcron in the box.

And would have been quite deflating if you buy it and have a bunch of cards you can't use unless you go out and buy another box, that actually might not even be available.

I think it's a smart move by FFG, you can buy the TFA core and now the Heroes of the Resistance and mostly recreate any scene from the movie. Maybe pick up a couple of TIE/fo packs and a single T-70 for completion, and BAM you've got a solid little X-Wing collection going, simply because you liked the new movie.

It's going to bring a ton of new players in and I'm very excited about that.

AND... this IS still coming too!

Seriously, isn't the shuttle too big?

Another T-70 with the awesome paint-sceme, just like the two interceptors in Imp Aces

Which would of cost $30 MSRP, so for $10 more you get a Falcon. Plus a new paint job on a T-70 may not be an option, since they're likely to be limited to what was in the movie.

Myself I'd much rather have a 2nd Falcon than a 5th T-70.

I think it's a smart move by FFG, you can buy the TFA core and now the Heroes of the Resistance and mostly recreate any scene from the movie. Maybe pick up a couple of TIE/fo packs and a single T-70 for completion, and BAM you've got a solid little X-Wing collection going, simply because you liked the new movie.

It's going to bring a ton of new players in and I'm very excited about that.

AND... this IS still coming too!

Seriously, isn't the shuttle too big?

Nah it is fine. Look at the film again Brah.

AND... this IS still coming too!

Seriously, isn't the shuttle too big?

Nah it is fine. Look at the film again Brah.

I watched the film yesterday, and those ridiculous wings are gonna be real problematic if they make a miniature of it.

AND... this IS still coming too!

Seriously, isn't the shuttle too big?

Nah it is fine. Look at the film again Brah.

I watched the film yesterday, and those ridiculous wings are gonna be real problematic if they make a miniature of it.

Boo! I want THAT shuttle, it's WAY cooler looking than the Lambda. Just fold the wings up like we do with the Lambda and there's no issue!

AND... this IS still coming too!

Seriously, isn't the shuttle too big?

Nah it is fine. Look at the film again Brah.

I watched the film yesterday, and those ridiculous wings are gonna be real problematic if they make a miniature of it.

Boo! I want THAT shuttle, it's WAY cooler looking than the Lambda. Just fold the wings up like we do with the Lambda and there's no issue!

Or put it on an EPIC stand with dat tall peg.

if we have the ghost, I doubt the mickey mouse shuttle will prove a problem to model

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Personally, I'm very excited to see these two ships get released as a bundled expansion. I just purchased the TFA Core Set (hopefully it arrives today), and I've been really torn as to how I could expand upon the three starter ships. The thought of mixing time periods by using ships from the Galactic Civil War with those during the rise of the First Order literally irks me and is wholly out of the question.

I'll happily add Black One and the era-correct Millennium Falcon to my roster, but what would veteran players suggest for the First Order roster? 4 more TIE/fos? Or is the dream of an era-correct TFA game not really feasible without added First Order ships?

I'd say if you want an "era-correct TFA game" then you're going to really limit yourself. There's some sweet ships out there that if you only want to stay in one timeline you'll really miss out on. Also, you are going to be waiting a LONG time to get much of any variety in your fleet. We still need another movie to see what else is out there.

If you are unwilling to mix, then buy 2 more T-70 X-Wings and 4 more TIE FOs.

But I'm telling you this as a friendly gamer: get over the time period hangup and you'll enjoy the game more.

First post on this site:

Personally, I'm very excited to see these two ships get released as a bundled expansion. I just purchased the TFA Core Set (hopefully it arrives today), and I've been really torn as to how I could expand upon the three starter ships. The thought of mixing time periods by using ships from the Galactic Civil War with those during the rise of the First Order literally irks me and is wholly out of the question.

I'll happily add Black One and the era-correct Millennium Falcon to my roster, but what would veteran players suggest for the First Order roster? 4 more TIE/fos? Or is the dream of an era-correct TFA game not really feasible without added First Order ships?

I'd say if you want an "era-correct TFA game" then you're going to really limit yourself. There's some sweet ships out there that if you only want to stay in one timeline you'll really miss out on. Also, you are going to be waiting a LONG time to get much of any variety in your fleet. We still need another movie to see what else is out there.

If you are unwilling to mix, then buy 2 more T-70 X-Wings and 4 more TIE FOs.

But I'm telling you this as a friendly gamer: get over the time period hangup and you'll enjoy the game more.

In STAW it IS an issue, but here it is not that big a deal.

Having thought about the product concept here a little more, I think a combo pack with a square-dish-Falcon and Poe-repaint T-70 is the obvious and best choice for releasing these things.

Would it make sense to release a second MF-only package, just with model tweaks and new cards? That would be confusing to the uninitiated consumer, and frankly feel like a bit of a rip-off to long-time players.

Would if make sense to release a Poe-repaint T-70 in its own blister? Again, confusing to the uninitiated consumer, especially if it was there to provide cards different from the regular T-70 expac. Plus, you would potentially have a new precedent of repaint-only alterations to existing expacs (if you didn't take the opportunity to introduce new cards), and that seems to be outside of FFG's business model for this game, especially given the increased complexity of production and the already-too-long factory-to-retail time.

Would it make sense to release a Poe-centric combo pack at the $30 price point, by including a second small base ship? Well, with prior Aces packs and their repaints, the products are still designed in such a way that it merits buying multiples, as there's no thematic reason why you wouldn't want multiple red TIE Interceptors or prototype-badged A-wings. However, Poe's Black One repaint is intended, thematically, to be a unique paint scheme, therefore there's a disincentive for some consumers to buy more than one product containing that repaint.

Plus, as others have said, there's a high appeal to the product as packaged for those players primarily interested in casual fun revolving around the thematics of the movie.

All of this said, I think it makes good sense to package these two ships together as they have ... and we even get a $5 discount versus the standalone costs of each ship!

I like it. I think it serves multiple portions of the X-wing player base well. New players, casual players, collectors, kids smearing ice cream on their face (literally), and competitive players.

First post on this site:

Personally, I'm very excited to see these two ships get released as a bundled expansion. I just purchased the TFA Core Set (hopefully it arrives today), and I've been really torn as to how I could expand upon the three starter ships. The thought of mixing time periods by using ships from the Galactic Civil War with those during the rise of the First Order literally irks me and is wholly out of the question.

I'll happily add Black One and the era-correct Millennium Falcon to my roster, but what would veteran players suggest for the First Order roster? 4 more TIE/fos? Or is the dream of an era-correct TFA game not really feasible without added First Order ships?

Buying two of the TIE/fo expansion packs gives you some ASTONISHINGLY good cards to enhance the First Order's playability at this stage of the game's development. You can field a competitive 4-ship TIE/fo build (see my signature for a link to what I used at a recent event) using named pilots for 100 points, and have a good time competing against a Falcon and one or two T-70's at 100 points.

I'll confess to being a little disappointed by this expansion, because I believe it sets a dangerous, confusing precedent by having multiple cards of the same type and with the same name, yet different effects. Of course, as players we should always check what cards our opponent is using carefully, but this makes mistakes all the more likely. I'm also not convinced there needed to be a 'new' Poe, since the old version was hardly in need of fixing, and quibbling over one point of pilot skill based on a throwaway, oft-misquoted line from the film seems daft. It strikes me that one version is probably going to prove mathematically superior to the other, making the less efficient option redundant. Personally, I'd have included +1 pilot skill as part of the 'Black One' title, if Poe being PS9 was suh an important consideration to make.
The article actually claiming the square radar dish as a significant difference between this Falcon and the old one is either tongue-in-cheek comedy or very, very stupid.

All that said, the plethora of new cards in the set are a welcome sight, as are the two Integrated Astromech cards. Adding new pilots with new abilities for old ships is fine in my book, provided they see play, and its good to have the Tech slot expanded. But while I appreciate that the set is aimed more at newer players, I still feel it's a little underwhelming, especially if it is meant as the equivalent to Imperial Veterans (which it may or may not be). Perhaps the T-65 'fix' is one of the unknown cards in this set, but given that the Astromech slot is the easiest way to improve the viability of both the E-Wing (the other candidate for inclusion in a 'Rebel Veterans' box) and X-Wing, and there's only one Astromech upgrade here, I'm not holding out much hope.

So, in summary; there's a lot of interesting cards here, and a lot more that we don't yet know, that mean I'll probably still buy it when the time comes, and I certainly don't take it as a sign of power creep or an increase in corporate f***-wittery over at FFG. However, I'm a little concerned by some of the precedents set for duplication and 'updating' of existing cards, and certainly I do not want to see a repeat of the 'New Poe' scenario, because between that and "But it's got a new dish!", it makes the set feel a little lazy.

I think it's a smart move by FFG, you can buy the TFA core and now the Heroes of the Resistance and mostly recreate any scene from the movie. Maybe pick up a couple of TIE/fo packs and a single T-70 for completion, and BAM you've got a solid little X-Wing collection going, simply because you liked the new movie.

It's going to bring a ton of new players in and I'm very excited about that.

AND... this IS still coming too!

Seriously, isn't the shuttle too big?

Huge is the word your looking for, 37 meters each wing!

I believe it sets a dangerous, confusing precedent by having multiple cards of the same type and with the same name, yet different effects

Who exactly is going to get confused? The person using the ship or the other guy? If the person using it gets confused that's completely on them and frankly anyone who gets confused about what title they put on their ship... Well they likely shouldn't be playing the game anyway if that's the case.

If the other guy gets confused. So what? They're not the one flying it so that simply doesn't matter. All in all your argument makes little sense.

I'm also not convinced there needed to be a 'new' Poe, since the old version was hardly in need of fixing

For the final time, because at this point anyone who doesn't get this just isn't bothering to read the rest of the thread. To include Poe's signature X-Wing without Poe would've been a marketing blunder.

It strikes me that one version is probably going to prove mathematically superior to the other

And you'd be wrong. 2 points for 1 point of PS is meaningful enough that you will have a real choice between the two.

The article actually claiming the square radar dish as a significant difference between this Falcon and the old one

You may want to go and read the article again, since they never actually said that.

and quibbling over one point of pilot skill based on a throwaway, oft-misquoted line from the film seems daft.

Actually, I'm fairly sure it's quibbling over one point of pilot skill based on this.

I got a question...

Because again, including Poe's T-70 in the pack without Poe was a nonstarter... It just wouldn't happen.

Would people be happier if he was still PS8???