I need some clarification about the FAQ, please, as this is confusing in my local group of players. Some people think you need BOTH conditions (range and arc) and some others think it's only needed ONE condition (range) to boost (even being out of arc).
Thanks 
Yes you need to be in both arc and range to trigger, then you may TL and/or boost.
Sorry, but they do NOT accept this interpretation of the rule. They insist that the fire arc is irrelevant and the boost can be done out of arc, just if the enemy ship (any enemy ship!) is at range 1-2.
We are talking about an entire local communitiy misinterpreting a rule and making R7-T1 obviously overpowered in our local meta.
I think this is a severe translation problem, so I would like to ask for ome official wording (or quoting) about this. All they show me to prove their point are forum posts pre-faq (Feb 2014) that got obsolete after R7-T1 got faq'd.
Thank you, guys.
Edited by L0cC0
That's from the most recent FAQ. Completely unambigious.
Edited by Blue FiveYep, but I need to show them the point. They are absolutely stubborn about this. Could you please explain (step by step) how do you play this card?
The FAQ does. Is the image not showing?
"If a ship equipped with R7-T1 is at Range 1-2 and inside the firing arc of an enemy ship, the following sequence occurs: the ship equipped with R7-T1 may acquire a target lock on the enemy ship. Then, the ship equipped with R7-T1 may perform a free boost action, even if it did not acquire a target lock on the enemy ship."
The first line is
"If a ship equipped with R7-T1 is at Range 1-2 and inside the firing arc of an enemy ship, the following sequence occurs"
That fairly clearly states that the activation condition is being inside the firing arc of an enemy ship and at Range 1-2 of it.
R7-T1 is an atrociously worded card that has caused no end of trouble, hence its very specific FAQ.
Ok, at the risk of being tiresome, I've made some diagrams with the possible triggering situations of R7-T1.
Please, could you say in which situations you can make use of R7-T1?
My fellow players say that you can use R7-T1. No problem here.
My fellow players say that you can use R7-T1. No problem here.
My fellow players say that you can NOT use R7-T1. No problem here.
My fellow players say that you can use R7-T1 partially: You CAN NOT TL (since you are not in firing arc) but YOU CAN BOOST (since the Y-Wing is at range 1-2 of the enemy ship).
So, to sum up:
- Diagram 1: You can use R7-T1.
- Diagram 2: You can use R7-T1.
- Diagram 3: You can NOT use R7-T1.
- Diagram 4: You can NOT use R7-T1.
I'm trying to persuade them about this, but it's a hard work :S
Thank you very much for your help.
Your summary on your post above is correct. The requirements are you choose an enemy ship at Range 1-2 AND you MUST be within their firing arc.
If BOTH conditions are met, you may acquire a target lock and you may perform a boost. If BOTH conditions are NOT met, then you cannot trigger R7-T1.
And that's exactly what the FAQ states. Using some 2014 pre-FAQ posts from the forums is really just trying to avoid the official ruling.
Your only other course of action would be to send the question in and get Frank to answer it directly. But somehow I think this particular group may have an issue with that as well. Especially when they refuse to accept the clarification that's in the FAQ.
You have to be inside the firing arc at Range 1-2 of the ship you're triggering R7-T1 against. R7-T1 does not "trigger partially" although I can see where that intepretation comes from. However, there's a clear ruling from FFG on this: you meet both conditions and then you can trigger either or both of its effects. That's what the FAQ says fairly explicitly.
If they won't accept the official FAQ then they're a lost cause.
Edited by Blue FiveAre they thinking the faq supports their interpretation (difficult to see) or just rejecting the faq out of hand?
It strikes me that they're either flat out rejecting the FAQ, OR, have the reading comprehension of a potato....
I´ve always played this card like you but this is their reasoning:
Bossk set a precedent separating conditions from effects. You don´t need the stress token to gain the focus and a target lock. There´s a condition "perform an attack that does not hit", and two effects, one of them with another condition to trigger:
- Receive a stress token if you are not stressed.
- Assign a focus token to your ship and a target lock on the defender.
With that rule the card R7-T11 should work as follows:
Condition:
Action: Choose an enemy ship at range 1-2.
Effects (Two, one of them with another condition to trigger like Bossk):
- If you are inside that ship´s firing arc, you may acquire a target lock on that ship.
- You may perform a free Boost action.
In their interpretation, with the rules about Bossk, the FAQ only resolves the case when the chosen ship is at range 1-2, and you are inside that ship´s firing arc, making the target lock and the Boost action, optionals.
I´ve always played this card like you but this is their reasoning:
Bossk set a precedent separating conditions from effects. You don´t need the stress token to gain the focus and a target lock. There´s a condition "perform an attack that does not hit", and two effects, one of them with another condition to trigger:
- Receive a stress token if you are not stressed.
- Assign a focus token to your ship and a target lock on the defender.
With that rule the card R7-T11 should work as follows:
Condition:
Action: Choose an enemy ship at range 1-2.
Effects (Two, one of them with another condition to trigger like Bossk):
- If you are inside that ship´s firing arc, you may acquire a target lock on that ship.
- You may perform a free Boost action.
In their interpretation, with the rules about Bossk, the FAQ only resolves the case when the chosen ship is at range 1-2, and you are inside that ship´s firing arc, making the target lock and the Boost action, optionals.
The FAQ clarified this, as did an email if I recall, that you must be at Range 1-2 AND inside the firing arc. It seems they are trying to ignore the FAQ ruling by trying to use something rather different as a precedent.
Bossk's entry was surrounding the frequently asked question of "Does Bossk trigger if I have a stress token already?"
The main question with R7-T1 was "Do both conditions (range and arc) have to be met in order to acquire the target lock and/or boost?", and the FAQ answered that with the clarification that you could target lock or boost or both as long as you were in range and arc as required on the card.
Edited by Parravon
I´ve always played this card like you but this is their reasoning:
Bossk set a precedent separating conditions from effects. You don´t need the stress token to gain the focus and a target lock. There´s a condition "perform an attack that does not hit", and two effects, one of them with another condition to trigger:
- Receive a stress token if you are not stressed.
- Assign a focus token to your ship and a target lock on the defender.
With that rule the card R7-T11 should work as follows:
Condition:
Action: Choose an enemy ship at range 1-2.
Effects (Two, one of them with another condition to trigger like Bossk):
- If you are inside that ship´s firing arc, you may acquire a target lock on that ship.
- You may perform a free Boost action.
In their interpretation, with the rules about Bossk, the FAQ only resolves the case when the chosen ship is at range 1-2, and you are inside that ship´s firing arc, making the target lock and the Boost action, optionals.
The FAQ clarified this, as did an email if I recall, that you must be at Range 1-2 AND inside the firing arc. It seems they are trying to ignore the FAQ ruling by trying to use something rather different as a precedent.
Bossk's entry was surrounding the frequently asked question of "Does Bossk trigger if I have a stress token already?"
The main question with R7-T1 was "Do both conditions (range and arc) have to be met in order to acquire the target lock and/or boost?", and the FAQ answered that with the clarification that you could target lock or boost or both as long as you were in range and arc as required on the card.
Yes, I know the discussion about the two cards, but that does not matter because they are not official responses to the problem and not everybody knows that.
We have two bad worded cards and two different solutions. In one of them, Bossk, one effect integrated in the trigger condition is not a condition, and in R7-T11, the condition integrated on the first effect is mandatory for trigger the second effect.
The problem with the FAQ entry for R7-T11 for anyone who read it without the knowledge of the previous discussion is the "if" clause that suggest a specific case and is difficult argue that is the explanation of how this card works.
And then you have Accuracy Corrector using the same phrasing with the entire card being mandatory.
I really hope the designers never use a full stop followed by "Then" ever again.
I´ve always played this card like you but this is their reasoning:
Bossk set a precedent separating conditions from effects. You don´t need the stress token to gain the focus and a target lock. There´s a condition "perform an attack that does not hit", and two effects, one of them with another condition to trigger:
- Receive a stress token if you are not stressed.
- Assign a focus token to your ship and a target lock on the defender.
With that rule the card R7-T11 should work as follows:
Condition:
Action: Choose an enemy ship at range 1-2.
Effects (Two, one of them with another condition to trigger like Bossk):
- If you are inside that ship´s firing arc, you may acquire a target lock on that ship.
- You may perform a free Boost action.
In their interpretation, with the rules about Bossk, the FAQ only resolves the case when the chosen ship is at range 1-2, and you are inside that ship´s firing arc, making the target lock and the Boost action, optionals.
The FAQ clarified this, as did an email if I recall, that you must be at Range 1-2 AND inside the firing arc. It seems they are trying to ignore the FAQ ruling by trying to use something rather different as a precedent.
Bossk's entry was surrounding the frequently asked question of "Does Bossk trigger if I have a stress token already?"
The main question with R7-T1 was "Do both conditions (range and arc) have to be met in order to acquire the target lock and/or boost?", and the FAQ answered that with the clarification that you could target lock or boost or both as long as you were in range and arc as required on the card.
Yes, I know the discussion about the two cards, but that does not matter because they are not official responses to the problem and not everybody knows that.
We have two bad worded cards and two different solutions. In one of them, Bossk, one effect integrated in the trigger condition is not a condition, and in R7-T11, the condition integrated on the first effect is mandatory for trigger the second effect.
The problem with the FAQ entry for R7-T11 for anyone who read it without the knowledge of the previous discussion is the "if" clause that suggest a specific case and is difficult argue that is the explanation of how this card works.
No one is denying that the card could have been worded better, but the fact still remains that the FAQ states both conditions must be met. And the OPs question is the usual question that arose back in 2014. Do both conditions have to be met for either or both of the effects to be used? Answer: Yes.
There was no requirement to have read the prior forum discussion in order to understand the clarification as there was only ever one question about the card. If I look at a card and have a question about it, I'm fairly sure there's hundreds of others that will most likely have the same question. Hence the Frequently Asked Questions document. If by chance the clarification in the FAQ is insufficient to sort out any issue, then players can email FFG for a more specific and detailed answer. So there really shouldn't be any problems. The fact that the OP has a whole group unwilling to accept the FAQ clarification is actually quite baffling, especially considering he seems to have it worked out correctly to start with.