Playing around with a builder to get these 3 big hitters into a list.

Vader (34)

- TIE/x1

- Adv. Targeting Comp

- Engine Upgrade

Col. Vessery (38)

- Tie/D

- Ion Cannon

Inquisitor (28)

- Tie/v1

- Autothrusters

Thoughts?

Problem being, I've not got any points for any EPT's. Do you think that is going to make this list less than effective?

If you really have no points for EPTs, you can put Adaptability. It costs 0p, and it lets you "play" with your PS a bit

Aye. Adaptability on The Inquisitor would make him PS 9 which would help with moving him or Vader in whichever order you want. Wouldn't hurt to bump up Vess either I suppose.

My thought is this is just my avp list I posted months ago but less deadly because of EU.

Interesting.

I was unaware of your list. For those playing along at home:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/205937-avp/#entry2110228

How does EU make it less deadly though? Arc dodging with Vader is paramount to his survival, so I've found EU to very handy.

No juke on inquisitor and Vader shoots before vessery wasting his crit.

I think that both lists are trying to do different things. Whole Hobo's list seems to be using Vessery in an almost more support role, with Vader as the heavy hitter, this list seems to be using Vessery as the heavy hitter.

While both are good (Hobo's forces difficult choices of where to spend tokens, and may reduce agility), this list seems be less reliant on any one ship, and should work better as an arc dodging/flanking list, with a split target priority, especially if you put adaptability in one, two, or all three (heck,you could even, if you really wanted, get Inquisitor and Vessery to same PS, and then be able to trade the order that they shoot in).

And in answer to your initial question, yes, the lack of elite pilot talents will make each pilot less effective than their EPT equivalents. But as a whole the list may stronger for including three powerhouses, even if they are slightly under equipped. Only testing will tell?

No juke on inquisitor and Vader shoots before vessery wasting his crit.

You'll have to forgive me, I can see the Juke thing on the Inquisitor as legit, but the crit problem is eluding me. He usually keeps his target lock, which lights up a target for Vessery (if Vessery has none especially).

It makes it less lethal because you're giving up vi on vessery and an ept on inquisitor. If you cut ion cannon and engine upgrade, that gives you 7 points, which gets vi/ tractor beam on vessery,and ptl or another ept on inquisitor, and adaptiblity on vader. This allows vessery to shoot his tractor beam before inquisitor or vader shoot which makes them hit harder.

Edit: totally didn't refresh before posting.

You lose out on vaders crit because if they have shields vader shoots at 9, takes some shields off, so it's basically a normal hit.

If vessery shoots 1st you can tractor for -1 agility and primary to strip shields, then vader gets to shoot with his free crt.