I mentioned offhand the idea of Soontir flying a Defender in another topic and that got me to wondering, assuming he had the same special ability like Maarek, would he actually be any GOOD in a Defender?

I think about the way he's used now in his Interceptor, which is pretty much always Push the Limit+Autothrusters+Stealth Device.

Of course, the Defender has no Boost, so it can't take autothrusters. It's dial has almost no green on it's own, so Push The Limit would be hard to use effectively without first taking Twin Ion Engine Mk. II, which would mean no Stealth Device because the Defender doesn't have two Modification slots.

So he definitely can't do his Interceptor thing in a Defender. My question then is, are there other awesome things he'd be able to do in a Defender, or would Soontir actually suck in a Defender?

+3 Shields more than makes up for loss of AT/SD. X7 would open him up to more EPTs, though PTL essentially gives him 4 actions/turn. XD probably switches him off PTL, perhaps, but double-taps at PS9 or 11 would be no joke. Given the Red turns, his ability would still be relevant, especially with X7, where he would turtle for free.

Short answer: he would continue to be awesome, just in a different way.

Lol. Yes, he'd be somewhere between fantastic and completely bonkers in a Defender. PTL and TIE Mk II mean he gets focus/focus/TL most rounds, and if he also has x7 that's focus/focus/TL/evade. He can't drop stress on a turn maneuver, but he can easily disengage with a 3-bank and either barrel roll/evade or focus/evade, then k-turn for another monster token stack.

If you put him in a TIE/D with Predator, it would be awesome just for PS9. His ability would come into play any time you took a hard-1 or -2. Which basically means you get to take those moves at will, instead of conservatively. Just that would be amazing, and it's not even getting that much out of his ability.

X7 title, PTL, white 4K....best not to think about it. Totally OP. The Baron is annoying enough, we don't need Super Soontir blazing in hitting like a truck and zooming away.

Soontir with 3 shields would wreck face. He could take hard turns with a benefit and him with PTL/x7 might be a bit OP.

Sounds fun though

So 4 kturn

Get free evade, focus, ptl and target lock /barrel roll

Equip engine mod make his banks green.

And then the emperor himself would see that he never dies

Would rather see him in a Chiss Clawcraft.

Would rather see him in a Chiss Clawcraft.

I dont believe he ever flew one of those. Wasnt it his son (Wedge's nephew) that was the Clawcraft ace?

think of how much you hate it when Fel gets damaged engine. that is what he would be like in a defender

I dont believe he ever flew one of those. Wasnt it his son (Wedge's nephew) that was the Clawcraft ace?

He flew something, around the Vision of the Future period - proto-Clawcraft, probably. He lost his eye in a war with one of the Unknown Regions warlords, and says "Even with one eye I'm still one of the hottest pilots around".

I think Turr Phennir would make a better Defender Pilot.

Is here any ship he would be less than good in?

Is here any ship he would be less than good in?

Y-wing's, k-wings, tie bomber I'm sure there are more.

HWK. Except he can always have a focus for that Blaster Turret, so he's not bad in it.

Soontir in a K-wing would be hilarious. PS 9 bomb drops! SLAMMing, advanced spam free action then PTLing off that, not to mention pulling two greens in a row when needed. TL and focus with chips on every munition and focus for defense or TLT. The guy makes every ship better it seems.

The test would be how he fairs in a basic TIE tho.

Soontir is PS 9 with an EPT.

That'd be scary enough, no matter what else. In fact, I don't think there isn't a single PS9 ability in the game that wouldn't be scary on a Defender. The platform is fantastic; abilities are just gravy.

In Soontir's case, he'd gravitate towards two builds - one resembling a PTL Aggressor (MkII engines for you there), with the white K-turn a handy suprise turnabout that isn't blocked by said stress token; the other being to fly him as a 'standard' Defender... but one that isn't scared to take Speed 1 & 2 hard turns, much like HWKs & YV-666s get more agressive with their reds when flying Outlaw Techs. Given these are slower, you'd probably fly him with TIE/D, and make the most of being able to respond to the enemy positions.

Either way? Utterly terrifying. But you knew that, right? This post started with "A PS9 Defender with an EPT".

I think Turr Phennir would make a better Defender Pilot.

Tetran Cowall would have made a good Defender but they gave Ryad a much better version of his ability.

In fact, I don't think there isn't a single PS9 ability in the game that wouldn't be scary on a Defender. The platform is fantastic; abilities are just gravy.

Talonbane would be disgusting in a Defender.

Wedge, Predator, TIE/Defender

Is here any ship he would be less than good in?

Y-wing's, k-wings, tie bomber I'm sure there are more.

Soontir with R3-A2? Nah, that would be terrible.

Soontir on a Kwing with any stress EPT or stress crew? Aweful I'm sure.

Soontir with tie shuttle title and fleet officer? No good...

Oh wait...with PS 9 and an EPT those combos would be brilliant.

Soontir has one of the top Special abilities in the game, an EPT, and PS9.

He's good to go flying anything.

Is here any ship he would be less than good in?

Y-wing's, k-wings, tie bomber I'm sure there are more.

Soontir with R3-A2? Nah, that would be terrible.

Soontir on a Kwing with any stress EPT or stress crew? Aweful I'm sure.

Soontir with tie shuttle title and fleet officer? No good...

Oh wait...with PS 9 and an EPT those combos would be brilliant.

Soontir has one of the top Special abilities in the game, an EPT, and PS9.

He's good to go flying anything.

One could reasonably assume he's got no EPT in a K-wing, similar to how Hera has no EPT in the Ghost. PS9 on an ordnance carrier is legit, though.

Han with Sabine crew gets you one bomb slot at PS 9-11. Not too bad, but then you have to add in at least one more bomber to the list to justify Sabine. And those two crew slots are usually occupied by more famous droids.

Empire is the only faction with both PS 9 guys in small ships, and with zero crew slots to back them up. In fact Rebels and Scum are like mirror images for their too pilots. Weird.

If anyone deserves a seat in a Defender its Vader, I remember being his wingman in Tie Fighter many moons ago was good times

But yeah Soont would own in a Defender also

Vader is 2 points more than Maarek.

He'd be a 37 point Defender that is actually worth its cost, without X7 for evades, he might die sooner.

Soontir's ability to get double focus would be nice with cannons, but he'd be less survivable since he could potentially spend them both before getting shot at, and the /D can't get an evade token.

Soontir would probably be 38 points in a Defender.

Lol. Yes, he'd be somewhere between fantastic and completely bonkers in a Defender. PTL and TIE Mk II mean he gets focus/focus/TL most rounds, and if he also has x7 that's focus/focus/TL/evade. He can't drop stress on a turn maneuver, but he can easily disengage with a 3-bank and either barrel roll/evade or focus/evade, then k-turn for another monster token stack.

Apparently I'm the only one who thinks he wouldn't be nearly as good as a defender. IMO the 3 shields, a white k-turn and the target lock action don't make up for all the negatives. No stealth/autothrusters, whcih are HUGE for defense. Soontir in an interceptor survives by just not getting hit. Every time autothrusters (or SD) triggers and prevents a damage is 1 damage he would be taking in a defender. If autothrusters (or SD) prevents 3 damage in a game, it's equal to 3 shields. If it prevents more, it's better than those 3 shields. Add to that, you ahve to choose between engine upgrad eand mk 2 for your modification. If you want PTL, you basically MUST have mk2 for the extra greens to help, but that means no boost, means less maneuverable and more predictable, and actually makes PTL itself marginally less useful in that you can't double reposition. The white 4-k is great, but if you're stressed from ptl you either can't use it, or you use it but don't clear the stress, so no actions for you (other than the evade if you have x7, but still leaves you stressed and needing a green next round). 1 and 2 turns red and white 3 turn hurts PTL, since you CAN'T do short turns while stressed, and the long one has the same issue as the k-turn. Sure he can still focus/focus/evade stack (as long as he moves fast) with x7, but it's not nearly as good without autothrusters (and stealth). A stacked soontir in an interceptor can turn 3 blanks into 3 evades between autothrusters, evade token and palp. A defender can only change 2, and has 1 less agility than a stealthed interceptor in the first place.

Add on to all of that the fact that he'd probably be minimum 10 points more expensive BASE cost. A naked defender soontir (without x7) would probably be 1-2 point more than the fully upgraded interceptor. X7 would drop the base price to 0-1 points less than the interceptor version. Some people have even dropped soontir's stealth device lately, whcih drops him down to 32 points. A PTL/x7/m2 defender soontir would be 39-40 points. If you wanted a TIE/D soontir, just an ion cannon would put him at 40-41 points, before any ept or modification.