IMO, the AFII feels like the M4 Sherman of SW, with its large front, weird butt, and middling durability, maneuver and firepower.

Considering these fire out of its sides, it has higher reinforccement along the sides. i think the guns are in the trench.

That little viewing room or sensor array in the back kinda makes sense if youre shooting sideways.

Also, you dont need a large engine hole if you don't really accelerate much. the afs tend to go from speed 2 to speed 3.

If you really think about it, burning fuel in this game is about acceleration, not about speed, as you simply intertially drift.

This. Also might make sense if the wings at the back have many small thrusters, which might explain the AF's maneuverability and speed.

Pretty sure the super star destroyer went into the death star II because it was sucked into the gravity well that was the death star. It had a secondary command and control, just they didn't regain the ship fast enough.

Finalizer specifically fixes this issue.

Pretty sure the super star destroyer went into the death star II because it was sucked into the gravity well that was the death star. It had a secondary command and control, just they didn't regain the ship fast enough.

Finalizer specifically fixes this issue.

These AFII engines look good(scroll down the forum):

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/121326-repaints-conversions-scratch-build-thread/page-34

Clon what you pointed at in the pic of that war ship is its bridge. They are not used for command and control in battle. Floaty boats have these because when navigating around crowded seas the mark one eyeball is still very useful and they have lots of windows in all directions and are up high for the view. command and control will be buried deep in the ship in a room without windows to protect it.

not entirely true, yes most modern ships have secondary "command centers" buried in the ship but that is a relatively new practice and who says star destroyers don't?

If they would have some command center in a better protected space, how could a single A-wing that hit the bridge effectively take out the whole control of an SD?

Again, no matter if you assume "aether" space, atmospheric flight or whatever all SW ships are lackluster at best. You could easily get a more suitable design for whatever rollercoaster physics assumed to be present in that universe by providing an undergraduate engineering student with paper and a box of beer. That is because SW needs to entertain, they require evilish triangle ships not because they fly great but because they look mean on the screen.

So in defense of the AFii, she may look ugly, she might well be the most akward design in SWA - but she defies logic not more than any other SW ship.

Pertaining to the bridges, I think something has to be said about the culture of the Empire. Since when have Imperials been all that concerned with survival? Either you're a disposable asset, or you believe that you're unassailable looking out as your massive juggernaut of destruction annihilates whoever is foolish enough to defy your will. Heck, even the Emperor was in a totally exposed tower on the tip of the DSII where a similarly lucky A-Wing could shown that lightning strikes twice.

The design of weaponry and ships is a cultural issue until said inventions clash with another force. Then experience and common sense will (usually) take over in making things that work better in real life.

I read through this thread, and not once did somebody mention the attraction of the AF Mk2 is that it specifically defies how a ship should be logically made in any conceivable way. Yes, I also really enjoy punk-rock.

I read through this thread, and not once did somebody mention the attraction of the AF Mk2 is that it specifically defies how a ship should be logically made in any conceivable way. Yes, I also really enjoy punk-rock.

well at least he agrees with the rest of us lol

Star destroyer has exelent armor profile. 1 meter thick armor when shot at from the front at that ridiculous angle equates to 15-20 meters of armor that the turbolasers needs to plow through to breach the hull. And projectiles have a better chance of bouncing.

Of course, this assumes the star destroyer is pointing at their opponents. Against more than one, this is less true.

Star destroyer has exelent armor profile. 1 meter thick armor when shot at from the front at that ridiculous angle equates to 15-20 meters of armor that the turbolasers needs to plow through to breach the hull. And projectiles have a better chance of bouncing.

Of course, this assumes the star destroyer is pointing at their opponents. Against more than one, this is less true.

Assuming turbolasers work as 21st century ordnance, but I am by no means an SW fluff expert. Might as well be true.

Anyway, from the mentioned position in front of the sharp end of a SD, you could also easily direct all fire to the perfectly exposed bridge, which some nut job space engineer built on a nice little tower, with flat vertical armor platings and panorama windows.

Makes as much sense as any other make believe plastic model space ship......

not really, I mean a star destroyer is actually a pretty logical design and pretty much everything on it makes sense, the Afmk2 on the other hand semms like... Random parts almost.

Star Destroyer doesn't make sense. It almost makes sense, but there are certain flaws that undermine it. Cool ass ship, but nonsensical. The idea given often is that it's shape allows it concentrate it's firepower forwards. But it doesn't. The main gun turrets alone the side actually block line of sight for each other for firing directly forward. Instead they have a main arc to the sides. Ok, the EU produced some sort of maneuver when the prow is pointed slightly downwards, which would allow the main guns to target together. However, this means that any guns on the underside cannot target the enemy (and we clearly see underside guns firing forward at the beginning of A New Hope), so prevents concentration of firepower again.

George Lucas said that these ships fight like Age of Sail warships. If you imagine that, it makes a heck of a lot more sense, as ships then primarily fire broadsides against each other, and so the dumb main battery placement doesn't matter.

The AFmkII is to be the ugliest ship in the entire (expanded) universe. I would really enjoy flying a rebel medium cruiser. I really would. But the model is just so horrendously ugly, I refuse to buy one.

I get this is space-samurai 12'o'clock high non-sense sonic charges in space-type stuff going on. I really don't care (and this is someone that complained during Saving Private Ryan that Jackson fired 8 rounds from his springfield 1913 without reloading!). I get that the neb-b was built out of crap from the model store + a bucket of floquil paint + Lucas saying, "what if it looked like an outboard motor." That's cool.

What I don't understand....

I like the picture... but we don't actually know what that... thing sticking out of the top is.

I am.. ok with the Mark 2 assault frigate. I can understand why they didn't go for the mark 1. This one probably has slightly more visual recognition due to Empires At War (or whatever it was called), and a mark 1 Assault frigate looks too much like Nebulon B to be an obviously distinct ship. I actually quite like the overall look. The main problem is fielding these alongside Mon Calamari Cruisers. I don't mind the scale inconsistencies, but because this ship is so rotund, compared to the cruisers' elongated profile it has a bigger presence than cruiser, which just isn't right. I think they work fine with the other Rebel ships, but I don't like seeing them alongside the Home One (which also feel fine when alongside the other rebel ships).

The main problem is fielding these alongside Mon Calamari Cruisers. I don't mind the scale inconsistencies, but because this ship is so rotund, compared to the cruisers' elongated profile it has a bigger presence than cruiser, which just isn't right. I think they work fine with the other Rebel ships, but I don't like seeing them alongside the Home One (which also feel fine when alongside the other rebel ships).

I agree with this. I think the MKII looks pretty coo, but it makes the MC80 look weird.