Translation: we're going to raise prices and get away with it because our brand is strong.

Uhh... say Chris.. . The Joy & Bliss is weaker ... now.

Perhaps it's only semantics but...

Prices have not gone up. The discounts on some places have decreased, but the MSRP hasn't changed.

The volume of water in the glass hasn't decreased, it's the volume of air that has increased.

He is saying that you can spend exactly what you spent before.

Not exactly... But considering the complete and utter lack of logic in his posts, I'm not going to bother responding to his nonsense any longer.

companies like profits, and one way to increase profits is to increase prices. what amazes me is not that, but the amount of people who defend said price increases or even deny their existence based on MSRP. I think the only thing I've ever bought at MSRP in xwing was a box of dice.

Lack of logic? You're a condescending jerk.

Welcome to ignore, Do me a favor and do the same.

The LGS is not a charity. You can't operate with 1950's business models and expect to compete in a 2016 environment. CSI has brick and mortar stores and they do very well. Anyway, Lunch is over, so I guess I'll go back to working for my 1.5 ships per hour instead of 2....

Alternatively, continuing to allow the attitude of "if you pay MSRP, you are a chump" to persist, with the old, unrealistic discount set up they used to have, is also not good.

Hahahaha, price out a competitive list in MTG, or Warhammer, or Flames of War. Then check yourself.

I think the only thing I've ever bought at MSRP in xwing was a box of dice.

Good for you?

Myself and I know others buy at the LGS at MSRP because we find the value the LGS adds is worth the difference between online discounts and MSRP.

What amazes me is that some people don't get that.

Since I'm paying exactly the same for my stuff as I did before this change. Then I can say that yes the price hasn't changed.

Because people on this forum act like getting X-Wing at 33% is an inalienable right.

The consumer has just as much right to complain about higher prices as suppliers do to complain about lower ones.

Now, Asmodee, whether right or wrong, believes that this move is good for the longevity of the game.

The mere idea that prices can never go up, is so amazing shortsighted... Words fail me.

But as you point out Asmodee thinks this will make their games stronger in the long run, which means according to their PoV more profitable.

As shocking as this may be to some people, a good company isn't interested in a quick buck, because they know that over the long run they will make a ton more money by offering a good product that people are happy to buy. So they reduced the discount to people who in their opinion aren't doing as much to support these games as other places do.

If they're right, that means the LGS becomes stronger, which in turn makes the community larger, which means more profits.

Again I'll point out that FFG games are much more heavily discounted than other games, most getting less than 10% vs FFGs getting 25-33%. That means X-Wing still has a more attractive discount then Infinity or Flames of War or other games.

Well it's a good thing EVERYONE EVERYWHERE has one of these FLGSs to benefit from this....

Oh wait...

Hahahaha, price out a competitive list in MTG, or Warhammer, or Flames of War. Then check yourself.

They are all half dead games now too, just because of their high prices.

I still don't understand the nerve some people show in threads like these. 'Oh, I'm sorry Alex, Frank, and everyone else at FFG that makes this game I love, but F*** you. You're time, experience, and more importantly JOB SECURITY isn't worth me paying msrp on your game.' Is essentially how I read these arguments.

This has nothing to do with the low-level employees like Alex and Frank. They're already almost certainly underpaid and it's unlikely this price increase will find it's way into their salary or job security.

I think the only thing I've ever bought at MSRP in xwing was a box of dice.

Good for you?

Myself and I know others buy at the LGS at MSRP because we find the value the LGS adds is worth the difference between online discounts and MSRP.

What amazes me is that some people don't get that.

Since I'm paying exactly the same for my stuff as I did before this change. Then I can say that yes the price hasn't changed.

what amazes me is people believing that an LGS has to sell at MSRP. I've spent $100 at a local store for wave 8 because they had a special event with a tournament and discounts on wave 8, while my other local store just sold wave 8 at MSRP. both stores make money, one with an interested attitude that gives discounts to its customers, the other without discounts (they still make tournaments but didn't make anything special for wave 8)

Because people on this forum act like getting X-Wing at 33% is an inalienable right.

The consumer has just as much right to complain about higher prices as suppliers do to complain about lower ones.

His question was how this was even an argument. So you and I are in complete agreement.

I think the only thing I've ever bought at MSRP in xwing was a box of dice.

Good for you?

Myself and I know others buy at the LGS at MSRP because we find the value the LGS adds is worth the difference between online discounts and MSRP.

What amazes me is that some people don't get that.

Since I'm paying exactly the same for my stuff as I did before this change. Then I can say that yes the price hasn't changed.

what amazes me is people believing that an LGS has to sell at MSRP. I've spent $100 at a local store for wave 8 because they had a special event with a tournament and discounts on wave 8, while my other local store just sold wave 8 at MSRP. both stores make money, one with an interested attitude that gives discounts to its customers, the other without discounts (they still make tournaments but didn't make anything special for wave 8)

You do understand that most LGS cannot operate at similar margins to the big online retailers, right? Just purely based on volume of sales.

And really, I think X-wing is far from the major piece in why this is happening. It is tough to make a $100 game when most won't touch it at that price due to perceived value, twisted by regular deep discounts.

They are all half dead games now too, just because of their high prices.

I'm not sure where you got that idea, but you might as well say the sun will rise in the west...

what amazes me is people believing that an LGS has to sell at MSRP.

It's all about the volume and most game stores don't sell enough volume to be able to manage a huge discount. I know my LGS doesn't. I could likely go somewhere else that does but there's none close enough to make the trip worth it.

But if you go to a LGS that offers a discount, you're not going to see that discount change most likely. The only place that's charging more is CSI/MM. So for many of us, this change has absolutely zero impact.

Since I can say that my price hasn't changed at all, and since MSRP hasn't changed. Then I can factually say that the price hasn't changed.

I get 20 to 30 percent off at LGSes in my area for pre-ordering.

Its pretty common.

If you don't have a LGS I am sorry. But I do, there are a pretty good handful where I live, and I like going to them. I like playing at them. They provide a great service to my X-wing habit. If you can buy your x-wing stuff way cheaper on line people won't it from their LGS. If LGS's stop selling X-wing they will stop carrying it. Then they will not do events. I am willing to pay a little bit more so that I can play with my toys.

In truth whenever I go to a really well run tournament I always make a note of buying something. I mean that is why they run the events.

I get that it might be bad for some individuals to not be able to get really cheap X-wing stuff on line, but it is bad for the game if you can.

I still don't understand the nerve some people show in threads like these. 'Oh, I'm sorry Alex, Frank, and everyone else at FFG that makes this game I love, but F*** you. You're time, experience, and more importantly JOB SECURITY isn't worth me paying msrp on your game.' Is essentially how I read these arguments.

This has nothing to do with the low-level employees like Alex and Frank. They're already almost certainly underpaid and it's unlikely this price increase will find it's way into their salary or job security.

Now, Asmodee, whether right or wrong, believes that this move is good for the longevity of the game.

The mere idea that prices can never go up, is so amazing shortsighted... Words fail me.

But as you point out Asmodee thinks this will make their games stronger in the long run, which means according to their PoV more profitable.

As shocking as this may be to some people, a good company isn't interested in a quick buck, because they know that over the long run they will make a ton more money by offering a good product that people are happy to buy. So they reduced the discount to people who in their opinion aren't doing as much to support these games as other places do.

If they're right, that means the LGS becomes stronger, which in turn makes the community larger, which means more profits.

Again I'll point out that FFG games are much more heavily discounted than other games, most getting less than 10% vs FFGs getting 25-33%. That means X-Wing still has a more attractive discount then Infinity or Flames of War or other games.

Well it's a good thing EVERYONE EVERYWHERE has one of these FLGSs to benefit from this....

Oh wait...

Exactly... that was just a BS sanctimonious excuse to raise prices... not cool.

"We want to save the FLGS."

That whole world died ten years ago my dear fellows. I know because I used to work in that business. Sorry but it is true. The music and movie shops are almost gone now too. Meanwhile the whole world has internet and buys what they want online.

I still love you FFG... but now I am going to hire a private detective to follow you, and don't cheat on me again!

I think the only thing I've ever bought at MSRP in xwing was a box of dice.

Good for you?

Myself and I know others buy at the LGS at MSRP because we find the value the LGS adds is worth the difference between online discounts and MSRP.

What amazes me is that some people don't get that.

Since I'm paying exactly the same for my stuff as I did before this change. Then I can say that yes the price hasn't changed.

what amazes me is people believing that an LGS has to sell at MSRP. I've spent $100 at a local store for wave 8 because they had a special event with a tournament and discounts on wave 8, while my other local store just sold wave 8 at MSRP. both stores make money, one with an interested attitude that gives discounts to its customers, the other without discounts (they still make tournaments but didn't make anything special for wave 8)

You do understand that most LGS cannot operate at similar margins to the big online retailers, right? Just purely based on volume of sales.

And really, I think X-wing is far from the major piece in why this is happening. It is tough to make a $100 game when most won't touch it at that price due to perceived value, twisted by regular deep discounts.

They are all half dead games now too, just because of their high prices.

I'm not sure where you got that idea, but you might as well say the sun will rise in the west...

what amazes me is people believing that an LGS has to sell at MSRP.

It's all about the volume and most game stores don't sell enough volume to be able to manage a huge discount. I know my LGS doesn't. I could likely go somewhere else that does but there's none close enough to make the trip worth it.

But if you go to a LGS that offers a discount, you're not going to see that discount change most likely. The only place that's charging more is CSI/MM. So for many of us, this change has absolutely zero impact.

Since I can say that my price hasn't changed at all, and since MSRP hasn't changed. Then I can factually say that the price hasn't changed.

the point is that one of the 2 stores increased the volume by 1. offering a discount and 2. organizing a tournament and releasing the ships at midnight. if you are a LGS who is "offering added value" then you can put extra effort to "add the value" and see increased volume of sales. the discount at the local store was temporary and limited to that event.

Ah man. We been played guys.

I just realized this is Joe Boss's second troll topic thread in as many days.

Well played good sir.

Truly a troll to surpass Wonderwaagh (whom I miss dearly)!

AMEN!! And this is a retailer with whom i'd buy stuff i might not even really need. All things being equal but cost, cost becomes the deciding factor. offer me a valuable service and that value is definitely considered in my purchases.

The LGS does not deserve my money just because it exists..no matter what the apologists seem to believe.

And let's not forget that retailers like cool stuff do have brick-and-mortar stores. If they want to offer deep discounts and offer the same services that most LGS's do, then it seems they have figured out how to make a better mouse trap and shouldn't be penalized for it.

1 - Disney is one of the worst companies in their treatment of employees. See articles were they fire good long term animators for no reason other than greeed, then make them train replacements for months and if they refuse no severance pay.

2 - However this is Asmodee simply getting more instant cash from already existing online sales with no effort. Those millions will go to CEO paychecks and to acquiring more of the gaming industry. Expect to see Asmodee announce more acquisitions of gaming companies.

3 - Truly weak minded nimrods believe the PR spin Asmodee is putting out that this will help local stores. Even after Asmodee now requjires stores to sign an agreement to not sell online.

Many Many stores sell both in person and online. This is in fact the age of the INTERNET and if you dont sell online your toast for most companies. Many stores broaden their reach to millions of gamers around the world through the Internet.

Asmodee doesn't care however if these new sales restrictions bankrupt many stores. Their CEO will get his bonus.

4 - Consumer behavior is and will always be dictated by consumers based on what we perceive to be BEST FOR US! 99% of people are not sitting around thinking how great this deal is. They are actually trying to figure out how to save even more money and get the best deals.

Thats is what will happen, Asmodee will make even m ore money because we will buy more online and they will get higher profit margins. Local stores get punched in the face. Thanks ANA.

Ah man. We been played guys.

I just realized this is Joe Boss's second troll topic thread in as many days.

Well played good sir.

Truly a troll to surpass Wonderwaagh (whom I miss dearly)!

AHhhh-HAaaa!!!

Now I get it...