I really like playing games at the many suscessful LGS in my area. These places are great and yet people would advise new players to buy online. It had to change.

I have seen X-wing become a very good product line for our local stores. Seccond to magic for some stores.

Many online retailers are fronts for distributors so not only were they paying less than LGS they were also taking product allocation away from LGS. If a local store ordered it but did not get all the stuff they ordered it could be the fault of those distributors favoring their online store orders over their retail customers.

It was a bad situation for everyone aside from the cheating distributors and the few who ordered online. You still get a discount and you can still buy online. Now it's just less. Get the fluff over it.

I went into my local store today ready to buy 4 ships and they had only 1 I wanted. this is a major store in a well off city with 20+ active x-wing players that hosts almost a tournament per week. hello amazon

I tried to buy a MTG card out of the case at the local store I play tourneys at and they couldn't sell it to me since someone had bought it via their online store. That was a tad ironic.

I hate shopping I can think of no greater waste of my free time than roaming around multiple stores trying to find what I want.

Online I can easily find what I want, easily compare prices and get it delivered.

I haven't had to stress myself Xmas shopping for well over a decade, online shopping here to stay adapt or die.

Asmodee changed their pricing and distribution structure. Adapt or die.

I never thought this thread would go this long. Guess people have serious camp loyalty to one side or the other and I find that the most interesting thing about this dilemna. Politics and religion have been debated with more success. I think both sides have points and my personal opinion hasn't changed from it's original position. I will continue to support whom I choose to and save as much money as I can doing so. Good luck to the people defending the LGS's and I wish them well, at the end of the day though willfully paying a higher price for a product that is not breaking laws to produce is bad consumer shopping. Saving money is not entitlement it's a capalistic right.

I do support a local store, which doesn't hold xwing events, as much as I can on product I can afford but willfully not taking advantage of a lower price is well, ignorant. I have purchased a solid 80% of my xwing online, dice masters it's about that in favor of LGS instead. Xwing might be a huge draw to some stores but it sure isn't around here. Communities had to start underground leagues and come together in agreed purpose. The stores didn't push for that and the leaders of these groups pitched the boons to owners and championed the use of space for anything besides a wizards product. Players did this not stores.

Card games are the bread and butter here, easy set up and tear down, total materials needed fit in a pocket, and games can literally take minutes. That's what many store owners want, not all before feathers ruffle, but an experience that gets you in the store with minimal effort and revolves you out just as quickly. The cheaper the hobby the better too, an impulse buy potential of a $4 pack is way higher than a $15 ship or worse $30+. I guess no one can make me believe xwing is that vital to any store and I would in a heartbeat join a nice club over the "comic shop". All of this is just my opinion though which amounts to nothing to anyone but me. Typed all this on a phone though and I am keeping it

I've not posted here yet. I will do so now.

"It is what it is".

That is all I have to say.

Putting my personal feelings on the matter aside.

You guys do realize that this thread is just going around in circles right? Both sides are engaging in bad arguments and justifications to try and prove that the other side is wrong. None of you are going to be swayed either way, so just let it die. We can watch this kind of stuff on CNN for a few more days anyway.

Better than talking about IDs.

I hate shopping I can think of no greater waste of my free time than roaming around multiple stores trying to find what I want.

Online I can easily find what I want, easily compare prices and get it delivered.

I haven't had to stress myself Xmas shopping for well over a decade, online shopping here to stay adapt or die.

I agree, but I do it a little different. I research products online. Once I decide what I want I call a local store that is close and ask them to set one back, then I go pick it up. That way I don't have to go store to store shopping or wait for it to arrive.

As far as supporting my LGS, I have 2 and I try to divide my spending between them. It is a no brainier for me. They both offer a 10% discount that goes up to 20% on purchases of $100 or more. I utilize the gaming tables in both of them almost every weekend. I want to continue to use their gaming space in the future, therefore I will continue to support them through buying from them. Of course it's easier for me since my cost isn't much more than it would be buying online as I make $100+ purchases.

Asmodee changed their pricing and distribution structure. Adapt or die.

Presumably before the changes you were saying to B&M stores "The Internet is a thing now. Adapt or die."

Asmodee changed their pricing and distribution structure. Adapt or die.

Presumably before the changes you were saying to B&M stores "The Internet is a thing now. Adapt or die."

They changed their business model. Yes, that has raised prices to on-line sellers. Yes, that means more money from our pocket or less goods. No, they didn't raise the MSRP, so if you are buying store-front retail, no effect. Net effect is maybe some more sales at the local level, and perhaps a little better than a general across the board price hike, which would leave the status quo in place. What can we conclude? They want more money - not a whole lot different from say, Apple, only not as ruthless about it. Vis a vis local retail, they made that a effectively a little more attractive by reducing the price differential. The big winner? Amazon, octopus corporation. Prices really haven't changed, I can get them for almost the same cost as CoolStuff or MM, a whole lot faster, without having to save up for a massive $100 plus order.

Endless whining isn't very productive. Buy or buy not, there is no (effective) whine. Placing blame on those that either only buy on-line or in store is counter-productive. You either place a value on the services a local store can provide that makes it worthwhile, or you don't. You don't have to vilify the other party or call them names.

I hate shopping I can think of no greater waste of my free time than roaming around multiple stores trying to find what I want.

Online I can easily find what I want, easily compare prices and get it delivered.

I haven't had to stress myself Xmas shopping for well over a decade, online shopping here to stay adapt or die.

I agree, but I do it a little different. I research products online. Once I decide what I want I call a local store that is close and ask them to set one back, then I go pick it up. That way I don't have to go store to store shopping or wait for it to arrive.

As far as supporting my LGS, I have 2 and I try to divide my spending between them. It is a no brainier for me. They both offer a 10% discount that goes up to 20% on purchases of $100 or more. I utilize the gaming tables in both of them almost every weekend. I want to continue to use their gaming space in the future, therefore I will continue to support them through buying from them. Of course it's easier for me since my cost isn't much more than it would be buying online as I make $100+ purchases.

I don't have a lgs or even a shop that sells x-wing so I'm paying more for nothing.

Asmodee changed their pricing and distribution structure. Adapt or die.

Presumably before the changes you were saying to B&M stores "The Internet is a thing now. Adapt or die."

and did they?

Apparently not, if Asmodee felt the need to step in on their behalf.

I hate shopping I can think of no greater waste of my free time than roaming around multiple stores trying to find what I want.

Online I can easily find what I want, easily compare prices and get it delivered.

I haven't had to stress myself Xmas shopping for well over a decade, online shopping here to stay adapt or die.

I agree, but I do it a little different. I research products online. Once I decide what I want I call a local store that is close and ask them to set one back, then I go pick it up. That way I don't have to go store to store shopping or wait for it to arrive.

As far as supporting my LGS, I have 2 and I try to divide my spending between them. It is a no brainier for me. They both offer a 10% discount that goes up to 20% on purchases of $100 or more. I utilize the gaming tables in both of them almost every weekend. I want to continue to use their gaming space in the future, therefore I will continue to support them through buying from them. Of course it's easier for me since my cost isn't much more than it would be buying online as I make $100+ purchases.

I don't have a lgs or even a shop that sells x-wing so I'm paying more for nothing.

When I'm facing a price increase, I ask myself if I'm still comfortable buying the product at the new price. Do I still think the value is there after the price hike? If the answer is yes I put the issue behind me. If the answer is no I have some tough decisions ahead of me on whether I'm going to continue spending on the product. I quit MtG not because I couldn't afford it, but because I was uncomfortable with the amount of money I was spending compared to the amount of enjoyment I was getting playing it. I now support 5 LCG/ECG's for less than I spent on MtG a year. A much more satisfying arrangement.

I hate shopping I can think of no greater waste of my free time than roaming around multiple stores trying to find what I want.

Online I can easily find what I want, easily compare prices and get it delivered.

I haven't had to stress myself Xmas shopping for well over a decade, online shopping here to stay adapt or die.

I agree, but I do it a little different. I research products online. Once I decide what I want I call a local store that is close and ask them to set one back, then I go pick it up. That way I don't have to go store to store shopping or wait for it to arrive.

As far as supporting my LGS, I have 2 and I try to divide my spending between them. It is a no brainier for me. They both offer a 10% discount that goes up to 20% on purchases of $100 or more. I utilize the gaming tables in both of them almost every weekend. I want to continue to use their gaming space in the future, therefore I will continue to support them through buying from them. Of course it's easier for me since my cost isn't much more than it would be buying online as I make $100+ purchases.

I don't have a lgs or even a shop that sells x-wing so I'm paying more for nothing.

I feel bad for you. I understand your difficulty.

Of course according to everyone else around here your are a terrible person for not driving hours and hours to pay more in a store.

If you have an FLGS, please shop there.

If you don't have an FLGS, it may be because of the previous pricing structure that made it impossible for an LGS to sell at competitive prices. This new structure should (hopefully) lead to more LGS.

If your LGS isn't F enough, buy some stuff and be kind and hopefully they will get some F to go with their L.

If you live in an area where no GS is L, I'm sorry but you are SOL.

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Why? My FLGS doesn't do anything for me. I don't play there. I get more service from most online retailers, who provide me with the ability to shop from anywhere, blogs, comments, reviews, etc. The FLGS does none of that.

I get you might want to support a game store where you play games, that makes sense, but I don't think that's true for most buyers. Online retailers arguably provide MORE value -- even if the prices were the same -- as an FLGS for many players.

If you have an FLGS, please shop there.

If you don't have an FLGS, it may be because of the previous pricing structure that made it impossible for an LGS to sell at competitive prices. This new structure should (hopefully) lead to more LGS.

If your LGS isn't F enough, buy some stuff and be kind and hopefully they will get some F to go with their L.

If you live in an area where no GS is L, I'm sorry but you are SOL.

edit: misplaced parenthesis

Why? My FLGS doesn't do anything for me. I don't play there. I get more service from most online retailers, who provide me with the ability to shop from anywhere, blogs, comments, reviews, etc. The FLGS does none of that.

I get you might want to support a game store where you play games, that makes sense, but I don't think that's true for most buyers. Online retailers arguably provide MORE value -- even if the prices were the same -- as an FLGS for many players.

How? Because someone left a review? How does that provide more for me when I can go to my FLGS and talk to someone in depth about the ship, even watch someone field it, maybe even run a demo game with said ship before I buy it? And take it home with me the same day. I'll never get over the excitement of opening a package in the mail, truth be told, but sometimes it pays off not having to pay shipping and wait two weeks for delivery.

I get not everyone's gaming store is the same, but you can't discount the brick and mortar stores in general just because the one near you isn't a good one. There's plenty of good Brick stores just as much as there's good online retailers.

Also, if you don't even play at your FLGS, then it's not an FLGS. it's an LGS. Friendly is when you walk in and the owners/whoever is running the cash register, can call you by name. You enjoy the atmosphere their so much it feels like your living room when you walk in. You also have spent way to much money on junk food. You go out of your way to make time to paint at the store you can catch up on the latest local/nerd news. That's an FLGS.

Some people aren't good with names. I'm known to my local store's long time staff, but not the newbies.

Those calling for adaption or death are pretty funny. THIS CHANGE in distribution was the adaption needed to prevent death. Ffg loses a valuable marketing channel if stores stop selling X-wing.

High prices eh? At my LGS the Ghost expansion retails for $85 here in Australia. Standard small ship expansions are now $26 and Core sets are $64 - to say nothing of Epic expansions. Try building up competitive lists at these prices...