I too like many others would absolutely love to get a Battle of Erebor or Destruction of Dol Guldur POD quest that can also tie in to the Saga Campaign. There had better be scouring of the shire in either the last deluxe box or as a POD quest as well!

This isn't the movies and the Scouring is a very important part of the narrative. I would be fairly upset if it was omitted altogether..

Wow, that would be a good idea for an "extra saga", having three quests that were happening in the end: and there are a few options: Dale/Erebor, Lórien/Dol Guldur, Mirkwood. Scouring best fit for a con quest, I feel.

I shudder to imagine the font size that would be required to cram all that text on this version of Dain. Hope the pack comes with a free magnifying glass!

Battle of Dale/Erebor and destruction of Dol Guldur would be great. But I don't think you should tie them into the campaign, as they are "side-events" and none of the characters from the main story participate. Therefore I don't find it Fitting that our heroes would.

Scourging on the other Hand fits perfectly as it is an important part. To Keep Fellowship Frodo useful you could creat an objective attachment "free from the burden", that enables Frodos abilities like the ring does (maybe without the downsides). I think you should cut all of the previous burdens, too (no more Sauron )

You could still tie them into the campaign: give the players a free hero change in both the Setup and Resolution instructions on the campaign card. This way you can include a boon.

I still think the best plan would be Cirith Ungol, March Across Gorgoroth, and the Battle of the Morannon + Cracks of Doom for the last box. And Scouring as a Saga POD that still uses burdens from the Treason of Isengard.

So "The Flame of the West" is currently in development but what next after that ? I really hope we can get "The Battle of Dale" as a part of the saga or standalone scenario because we could get some nice cards there :

" During the War of the Ring, the Eastelings crossed the border and moved to attack the city. On 17 March 3019 the Battle of Dale began. Not able to hold back the Easterlings the Men of Dale and their allies, the Dwarves of Erebor, retreated into the the Lonely Mountain, but lost Kings Brand and Dáin Ironfoot who were both slain at the Gate of Erebor. For seven days the Men and Dwarves barricaded themselves in Erebor until news came from the south of the defeat of Sauron. The new kings of Dale and Erebor (Bard II and Thorin III Stonehelm), broke the siege and chased the Easterlings out of Dale. "

So what you do you think ?

Yes! I want that now!

An objective ally who will at least stop people from playing hero Dain on at lest one scenario!

Dain Ironfoot

5 will

5 atk

5 def

5 hp

Dwarf Warrior Noble King

Ranged Sentinel

After a dwarf ally enters play, draw three cards, reduce your threat to 0 and add one resource to each heroes rescurce pool.

Each dwarf character gains +1 will, atk and def. When Dain Ironfoot is ready, each dwarf instead gains +2 will, atk and def. After a dwarf character exhausts, ready that character. Then, Heal damage from it (limit twice per character per round).

When Dain Ironfoot leaves play, search your deck, hand, discard pile and all other places where you store allies and put all dwarf allies into play.

New forum user. This is (obviously*) overpowered, but a new version of Ironfoot would be much appreciated. Seems like all the decks built with him end up feeling stale- like it doesn't matter which heros you use with him.

Ally: Leadership

W. 1

atk. 2

def.3

h.p. 3

Dwarf. Noble. Warrior.

cost:4

When put into play, each player draws a card.

When defending against an enemy with orc keyword, he gets +2 def.

Also, unrelated, can't wait to get the new Eowyn. Rohan is my fav. trait

Wow... even better than I expected

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/7/19/gather-strength/

well thats some great stuff. Can't wait.

Wow, so no Leadership Imrahil ally. I wonder what the Leadership cards in the box will be.

With regards to Caldara and Prince Imrahil, how soon does his passive text take place? Coming from Thrones background, the exact timing of paying costs and potential passive conditions being implemented make me question everything and often.

Caldara: Action: Discard Caldara to put 1 spirit ally from your discard....

The COST is "Discard Caldara" and the EFFECT is to "put 1 spirit ally .... "

Prince Imrahil has the passive text of "While there is a hero card in your discard pile, ... " he becomes a Hero. As soon as Caldara's ability is triggered, she is placed in the discard pile. Then you get your X number of allies. At what juncture does this take place?

Probably after the resolution of Caldara's action.

I would imagine his effect won't be active until he is in play. Unless it's called out (like some Noldor cards) I don't think cards are active or considered in play while they're in the discard pile.

No one suggested that Imrahil could be out of play. The question is whether when Caldara self-sacrifices, does an in-play Imrahil count as a hero or not? It's not obvious to me at all what the ruling will be.

Yea sorry, I'm not trying to put him into play with Caldara. He would already be in play. So when I activate her ability and she goes into the discard pile, do I have 2 or 3 heroes when resolving here effect.

Her ability has an active point of initiation, but his ability is basically just sitting around waiting for the condition to be met and seemingly constantly checks "are you there yet?" so I'm not sure if it simply waits until her ability finishes resolving or if it is immediate after paying the cost for her ability.

The text on Caldara's action says "Each other hero you control" instead of just "Each hero you control" which could indicate she is still in your control when you are resolving her action. If that's true, then Imrahil does not work since she is in your control and therefore not in your discard pile yet.

Oh, I misread the question. My bad (helps if I had my cup of coffee first haha). hmm... that's a tricky one. Reading the FAQ on lasting effects, it states "A lasting effect created by a player card ability must be calculated at the time that the ability is triggered, and that effect is not recalculated if the game state changes."

Because Imrahil's ability is neither a response or action, it's just there waiting for that trigger, I would say yeah he becomes a hero the moment you pay Caldara's cost but before her ability resolves giving you 3 heroes for the effect.

Thinking more about the Caldara/Imrahil thing, I am not sure that Elfhelm even has a "printed resource icon" at all, even when he becomes a hero. In the rulebook where it breaks down the parts of a card, only Hero cards have Resource Icons, with allies actually having a "Sphere of Influence Icon". It's nitpicky, but seems pretty clear to me looking at the rulebook that those icons are called different things. This would mean he wouldn't work for Map of Earnil and Pelargir Shipwright either!

Remembering the article that introduced Sword-thain, it was pointed out pretty clear by the developer that ally with Sword-thain is considered a hero with the printed icon of his sphere.

Thinking more about the Caldara/Imrahil thing, I am not sure that Elfhelm even has a "printed resource icon" at all, even when he becomes a hero. In the rulebook where it breaks down the parts of a card, only Hero cards have Resource Icons, with allies actually having a "Sphere of Influence Icon". It's nitpicky, but seems pretty clear to me looking at the rulebook that those icons are called different things. This would mean he wouldn't work for Map of Earnil and Pelargir Shipwright either!

According to that logic, Sword-Thain wouldn't work either, because it just changes the card type.

Also in the rulebook, you can only spend resources from a hero that has a matching resource icon. I guess you can't spend resources from Sword-Thain'ed allies either.

Thinking more about the Caldara/Imrahil thing, I am not sure that Elfhelm even has a "printed resource icon" at all, even when he becomes a hero. In the rulebook where it breaks down the parts of a card, only Hero cards have Resource Icons, with allies actually having a "Sphere of Influence Icon". It's nitpicky, but seems pretty clear to me looking at the rulebook that those icons are called different things. This would mean he wouldn't work for Map of Earnil and Pelargir Shipwright either!

According to that logic, Sword-Thain wouldn't work either, because it just changes the card type.

Also in the rulebook, you can only spend resources from a hero that has a matching resource icon. I guess you can't spend resources from Sword-Thain'ed allies either.

That's a good point! I forgot they put that in the FAQ.

So Prince Imrahil is a hero when we activate the caldara action or not ? Could we ask to Caleb ?

So Prince Imrahil is a hero when we activate the caldara action or not ? Could we ask to Caleb ?

I've already sent in the question. Hopefully I'll hear back soon.

I am not sure which answer i prefer.

If Prince Imrahil is included, wow so powerfull ...

If not, hopefully because it's broken ...