Well looks like the Defenders in Vets have the exact same issues as the original release. Yes they are fixing many of the short comings with the titles but thats not what Im talking about. When Glaives where first seen it seemed like we might get a decent pointed generice defender worth using. Instead we got generics that are once again Overpriced compared to their unique counterparts, or the Uniques are UNDERpriced. Why would I ever take a Glaive over the Countess? Yes she is -1PS but that can be fixed with Adaptability. So for the same points I can get a Glaive WITH a excellent ability. And thats nothing to say when talking about Marrek. Why take Rexlar or Vessery when for 2 and 1 point less you can get Marrek and use Adaptability to make him equal to Rexlar in PS.

Yes the Glaives and Rexlar and Vessery can use Adaptability to once again get ahead of Ryad or Marrek but the point is that for the same or less points you can get equal ships with better capabilities. So why ever take Glaives over Ryad?

Cuz you can't take three Countessesses in one squad silly.

In a wold with Dengar in it, the advatage of generics is being generic.

What?!

Generic Defenders are great!

2x Deltas w/ ion cannon, mk ii engine, TIE/D

1x Delta w/ tractor beam, mk ii engine, TIE/D

Play against that before judging them so harshly.

If you want a cry case, look at the Onyx. That one is worth crying for years.

What?!

Generic Defenders are great!

2x Deltas w/ ion cannon, mk ii engine, TIE/D

1x Delta w/ tractor beam, mk ii engine, TIE/D

Play against that before judging them so harshly.

That is the exact build I was planning on trying when veterans comes out

If you want a cry case, look at the Onyx. That one is worth crying for years.

Onyx w/Hull Upgrade and X7 is a lot of health to chew through.

Why take Rexlar or Vessery when for 2 and 1 point less you can get Marrek and use Adaptability to make him equal to Rexlar in PS.

Because you can make Rexlar a PS10. Also frankly, Rexlar's ability is better than Maarek's if you can properly support it. Which is now going to be a thing with fleet officer tie shuttles.

Why would I ever take a Glaive over the Countess?

Because you want a PS8 defender for 33 points?

The Countess when built properly is going to be quite a bit more expensive than a Glaive, which honestly just wants to take /x7 and fill its EPT. They fill different niches.

What?!

Generic Defenders are great!

2x Deltas w/ ion cannon, mk ii engine, TIE/D

1x Delta w/ tractor beam, mk ii engine, TIE/D

Play against that before judging them so harshly.

That is the exact build I was planning on trying when veterans comes out

Tractor Beam is nice and all (it totally is), but nothing quite locks in a feeling of helplessness like being stressed and ioned.

2x Delta, mk2, /D, Flechette

1x Delta, mk2, /D, Ion

(Granted, you don't get the one-turn-ion-a-large possibility, but effectively nailing a stress token in place turn after turn is very crippling. Otherwise, someone like Soontir is hardly more than inconvenienced by being ioned.)

Yes the Glaives and Rexlar and Vessery can use Adaptability to once again get ahead of Ryad or Marrek but the point is that for the same or less points you can get equal ships with better capabilities. So why ever take Glaives over Ryad?

This makes zero sense to me. You have willingly chosen to not take a free upgrade in order to make this argument.

Maybe the generics should fly better. Go up in rank. Not die so fast.

Calling glaives weak feels silly to me. They're ps 6 with an ept meaning they can bid up to 8 (relevant) vs. Countess who a) should not take a ps ept, she's far to good to waste that way and b) can only bid up to 7 (largely irrelevant). Additionally it feels clear that Countess spinnydoo will be built standard for 36 points at x7,ptl,mk2. Glaives will typically be in at 33 (vi/crackshot) or 34 (juke) with the x7 title and the 2-3 point savings can be a big difference for Imperials where a few points makes a huge difference among pocket aces and filler options.

Also as said above, can't take 3 Countess.

Rexler is the saddest panda tbh since his ability is still only mediocre, but he has the strength of now being a ps 10 for 36 points if played with vi. That's his biggest draw without doing a lot of work, having native ps8. I'm probably going to fly Glaives over him almost any day without exception because he's usually just 37 points for a ps8 generic.

Generic PS6! with an EPT! VI puts them on OL,Inquisitor,Jax level. Also, Vessery and TAPs are gonna be best of friends, so that is why you choose him over Stele.

(looks at the meta filled with Shuttles, Ghosts, and Jumpmasters)

Rexlar's ability is fine.

What?!

Generic Defenders are great!

2x Deltas w/ ion cannon, mk ii engine, TIE/D

1x Delta w/ tractor beam, mk ii engine, TIE/D

Play against that before judging them so harshly.

That is the exact build I was planning on trying when veterans comes out

Tractor Beam is nice and all (it totally is), but nothing quite locks in a feeling of helplessness like being stressed and ioned.

2x Delta, mk2, /D, Flechette

1x Delta, mk2, /D, Ion

(Granted, you don't get the one-turn-ion-a-large possibility, but effectively nailing a stress token in place turn after turn is very crippling. Otherwise, someone like Soontir is hardly more than inconvenienced by being ioned.)

Both are very good lists. I think it will come down to personal preference and opponent.

I just like the idea of ionizing a big ship every turn, K turning behind it, and chasing it like a pack of dogs until it dies or flies off the board.

(looks at the meta filled with Shuttles, Ghosts, and Jumpmasters)

Rexlar's ability is fine.

Why is anyone taking this topic seriously? In world where you can have 28 pt Deltas with free evades and 33 pt Onyx w/ Tractor beam double-taps, you are high on Glitterstim if you think generics aren't worth taking because the Glaive may be (comparatively) overpriced (though, hint, it is NOT). Get a grip.

If you want a cry case, look at the Onyx. That one is worth crying for years.

The Onyx artwork is so bad it's a good thing it will never see the table.

Generics are still great

I tried using a delta in my whisper and palmobile build and it did exceptionally well

If I had the pts yes I'd upgrade to something else, but I didn't, and at ps1 with a free evade, a Focus, and the emperor you have an excellent blocker that is very hard to kill and guess what?

Next round it's kturning behind Ya.

Let's not assume until you try.

If you only have 28 pts or 30, the generic tie defender is great

Another build I want to try is two deltas one with an ion and the title another with the other title escorting a tractor beam vessery

It's pretty obvious you haven't tried them yet

Why is anyone taking this topic seriously? In world where you can have 28 pt Deltas with free evades and 33 pt Onyx w/ Tractor beam double-taps, you are high on Glitterstim if you think generics aren't worth taking because the Glaive may be (comparatively) overpriced (though, hint, it is NOT). Get a grip.

To be fair, for one point more than the Glaive you get to upgrade to either Stele or Vessery. Totally worth it to find that extra point in your list.

The Deltas will absolutely see play though.

Friggen right they well

At ps1 you don't have to worry about being blocked and are in great position to be able to do your 3-4 or 5 maneuver, and block as well

Actually imo they are the best at pulling off a 4 straight and getting to have two actions

Where as a glaive at ps6 could possibly get blocked

Again before writing a long post about how something is no good or broken, how about you actually try using it

I mean really? Come on now

Edit

Also my whisper, delta and palmobile build beat my buddies winning store championship list which was fel, veteran instinct jax and palmobile.

In the end it was my delta vs his fel and I had enough hp left to be able take some hits, and his fel fell

(looks at the meta filled with Shuttles, Ghosts, and Jumpmasters)

Rexlar's ability is fine.

Fair though still annoying to turn on. I'm willing to test him with juke, x7, and the tomax support of doom (fleet, systems, cool hand, mk2). It might be way too cute but that's the real way to make that ability beastly against all that hull.

Rexlar with x7 and Juke is fantastic. I adore him. His ability is great when you get to use it, but even without it you have a very durable PS8 Jukebot.

The only thing I dislike about it is the game where my opponent used Boba Fett to take out my title. He didn't even realize until after I told him that he had also effectively killed my Juke, since I couldn't generate evade tokens anymore. It was a sad day.

This is the same thing with Tarn Mison and Red Squadrons. Both cost 23 points, Tarn is PS 3 and has a nuts ability, Red Squadrons lose that nuts ability in exchange for PS 4.

Not normally worth it. I agree with you OP. But it's not really that big of a deal, all it means is that if you're taking one Defender you go with the Countess. If you're flying multiples, you pick the Countess and Glaives. Just like If I'm flying one X-Wing I'll pick Tarn, and if I want multiples I tack Red Squadrons onto Tarn.

Other ships have pilots like this too. They only vary by a point or two but one is autoinclude while the other is pretty much only there if you've already picked the autoinclude one. Juno, Carnor, Avenger Squadron Pilot vs. A Saber Squadron Pilot, etc.