So glaives being 34, or at least speculated at, would mean you could run 2 glaives and Vessary, all with x7 and crackshot. I'll take it. Sure your PS isn't the greatest, but I've flown RGPs forever and never cared about PS 6, works just fine for me.

When your only green maneuvers are straight forward, you're going to wish you could have found room for TIE Mk. II.

At 34 points, I expect Glaives will find less table time than Deltas. A 33 point Delta (Flechette Cannon and TIE Mk. II) will do a better job of pointing in the direction you want against the lists with the new stress pilots, Chopper and 4-Lom. And Crack Shot has dubious value against the Ghost, or TLT lists.

The Delta card only comes in the TIE Defender expansion. To run 3 Delta Ds, you will own a total of 5 Defenders, lawl.

Agreed. The Glaive is in a hard spot. Price it at 34, and no one will take it with Vessery at 35 if they only want a single Defender. Its also too expensive for triple defenders, as there is no great ept that you could run on all three with the x7 title. Price it at 33, and you deliver the killing blow to Onyx (though I'm pretty sure they were stillborn anyways). You open up the nice triple Glaive x7 with Juke list, but apparently people think that is too cheap, even if it leaves no room for TIE mk II, which they will want. You still can't run triple Defenders with /D on the Glaive, even at 33 points, you'll have to go down to Delta's for that, so they aren't negatively impacted by that price.

Price them at 33 points. This makes them usable as a single, as a pair, or even as a pack of three. Price them at 34 points, and no one will pick one over Vessery if they only want one Defender, they might become usable as a pair with Vessery (remember, you chose him as your first Defender) if you want two, and you can't field 3 of them together with an ept that matters.

Well, you could run three of them with X7 and VI if you want all 8s

You could, yes, though I think I'd rather run them with Adaptability and Mk II engines if I was going for more PS.

Why would I care if they are stressed? What will I be doing that requires stressing myself? The hard 1-2? Don't have to use those that much. Stress hog? I still get evades while stressed. If I keep a TL with at least one glaive, Vessery will still get an evade and TL even while stressed. So why do I care if I have stress? You all act like hard turns are the only thing in the game. The dial is actually pretty open when you don't have a set mind set.

For 34, you most definitely will see them. A lot of you down play it but in all truth, the defender will soon be the front runner for many lists.

All I know for now, is the amount of flash backs I'm getting to when people said Palpatine was over priced and wouldn't see play at all.

So no preview AT ALL!!! Sad, I am!!!! YEEEES

4-Lom crew laughs at your single defensive token!

The Defender is about to see a lot more table time, but not a 34 point Glaive. That card will stay in its binder/deck box/bedroom floor.

Vessery with Tractor and Veteran Instincts or Ruthlessness.

Vessery with Flechette/Ion

Vessery with Juke, X7

If anything, a 34 point Glaive will usher in the rise of the Onyx.

A pair of Onyx with Flechette can still win an initiative bid against Contracted Scout, and straight up shoot before TLT Y-wings. And it leaves enough room for Darth Vader with ATC.

4-Lom crew laughs at your single defensive token!

The Defender is about to see a lot more table time, but not a 34 point Glaive. That card will stay in its binder/deck box/bedroom floor.

Vessery with Tractor and Veteran Instincts or Ruthlessness.

Vessery with Flechette/Ion

Vessery with Juke, X7

If anything, a 34 point Glaive will usher in the rise of the Onyx.

A pair of Onyx with Flechette can still win an initiative bid against Contracted Scout, and straight up shoot before TLT Y-wings. And it leaves enough room for Darth Vader with ATC.

Don't fool yourself into thinking in a vacuum, while yes there are counters in this game, you still have to think about the rest of the list as well.

Also why would a PS3 /D fletchette at 34 points be better then a PS6 /x7 with juke at 34 points which could outright shoot first before CSs and still use the evade for defense? Both are valuable to the list, but in different ways. So still not seeing how one is worth more then the other.... It's almost like they are for different play styles and roles....

Someone mentioned having vessery with tb, paired up with Vader and omega leader

This I find is not a great use for the tb.

You want things to shoot after their agility is lowered.

Tb is kind of useless in my opinion if it's the last too shoot in your list

VI vessery, Adaptability on Vader. That way you have 8-8-8 PS most of the games, with access to 8-8-10 if you need it.

So glaives being 34, or at least speculated at, would mean you could run 2 glaives and Vessary, all with x7 and crackshot. I'll take it. Sure your PS isn't the greatest, but I've flown RGPs forever and never cared about PS 6, works just fine for me.

When your only green maneuvers are straight forward, you're going to wish you could have found room for TIE Mk. II.

At 34 points, I expect Glaives will find less table time than Deltas. A 33 point Delta (Flechette Cannon and TIE Mk. II) will do a better job of pointing in the direction you want against the lists with the new stress pilots, Chopper and 4-Lom. And Crack Shot has dubious value against the Ghost, or TLT lists.

The Delta card only comes in the TIE Defender expansion. To run 3 Delta Ds, you will own a total of 5 Defenders, lawl.

Agreed. The Glaive is in a hard spot. Price it at 34, and no one will take it with Vessery at 35 if they only want a single Defender. Its also too expensive for triple defenders, as there is no great ept that you could run on all three with the x7 title. Price it at 33, and you deliver the killing blow to Onyx (though I'm pretty sure they were stillborn anyways). You open up the nice triple Glaive x7 with Juke list, but apparently people think that is too cheap, even if it leaves no room for TIE mk II, which they will want. You still can't run triple Defenders with /D on the Glaive, even at 33 points, you'll have to go down to Delta's for that, so they aren't negatively impacted by that price.

Price them at 33 points. This makes them usable as a single, as a pair, or even as a pack of three. Price them at 34 points, and no one will pick one over Vessery if they only want one Defender, they might become usable as a pair with Vessery (remember, you chose him as your first Defender) if you want two, and you can't field 3 of them together with an ept that matters.

No decent EPT? I plan on winning a tournament with Vessery/Glaive/Glaive, all with TIE/x7 and Crack Shot. That's actually a pretty decent EPT.