So take a file and file the nubs down a hair on both sides

The template will fit then

It's plastic, not to hard to tweak to fit properly

Unless ffg makes an official statement if I can make it fit in the template, Where does it say I cannot use it?

I'd be happy if I won a set. Just sayin.

Wait....Sabine lets you do an extra damage off each template, right? Maybe that's worth it?

"Once per round..." Nevermind.

That's assuming that your opponent hits them all in the same round. Otherwise it wouldn't be hard to get two triggers off of one mine in a game.

To the people saying it's ffg official so you can't be stopped from using it that's ridiculous. If you got a misprinted base chit that had a 125° firing arc somehow would you insist on using that? If the answer is still yes and you can't see why a TO is right to disallow that and equivalently disallow mines that are too large then I can't help you.

Also as a side note it's freaking hilarious to me that nikk whyte is the author of the big intentional draw shitstorm thread then also made the statement that they should be allowed to play with clearly crap tokens just because they're ffg official. I can't be the only one to note the irony.

If someone can file down the inside of the nubs, to allow the template to fit properly inside where does it say that these are not allowed?

I get what people are saying due to the size. But nowhere in any rules does it state anything saying that these are illegal.

It is after all ffg approved as far as we know

So unless ffg comes out and apologies there isn't anything that can be done

Again if a TO told me I couldn't use it, I'd contact ffg with the TO and store name.

One of two things will happen

They'll issue a statement, or slap the TO and store hand

Edit

Your example about the 125 degree fire arc is irrelevant here as that is not the discussion, but with that said if it was issued by ffg, then until otherwise it is legit sad to say

I wouldn't like it but who to say ffg isn't making prizes in the way other games do

Such as giving out things to give winners a slight edge?

I know that's not the case, but again until ffg officially makes a statement, in my view it would be legal.

As Ynot says, they can't even be deployed correctly.

Yes, this is pretty embarrassing for OP.

Yes, this causes a number of problems, and you could take them to a tournament and insist on using them.

No, I wouldn't try it myself.

But it fits a pattern of FFG QA, not sure if blaming Asmodée for it is really fair. If you can buy a TFA core sets and destroy a ship by just shoving a peg into socket than slightly unfitting cluster bombs sounds like a small issue. It still embarrassing for OP as well as this suggest that they never tested one of their own kits.

To the people saying it's ffg official so you can't be stopped from using it that's ridiculous. If you got a misprinted base chit that had a 125° firing arc somehow would you insist on using that? If the answer is still yes and you can't see why a TO is right to disallow that and equivalently disallow mines that are too large then I can't help you.

Also as a side note it's freaking hilarious to me that nikk whyte is the author of the big intentional draw shitstorm thread then also made the statement that they should be allowed to play with clearly crap tokens just because they're ffg official. I can't be the only one to note the irony.

Well until ffg says so otherwise like I've just stated

If someone can file down the inside of the nubs, to allow the template to fit properly inside where does it say that these are not allowed?

I get what people are saying due to the size. But nowhere in any rules does it state anything saying that these are illegal.

It is after all ffg approved as far as we know

So unless ffg comes out and apologies there isn't anything that can be done

Again if a TO told me I couldn't use it, I'd contact ffg with the TO and store name.

One of two things will happen

They'll issue a statement, or slap the TO and store hand

So take a file and file the nubs down a hair on both sides

The template will fit then

It's plastic, not to hard to tweak to fit properly

Unless ffg makes an official statement if I can make it fit in the template, Where does it say I cannot use it?

So you're saying it should be okay to field physically modified templates?

Well until ffg says so otherwise like I've just stated

If someone can file down the inside of the nubs, to allow the template to fit properly inside where does it say that these are not allowed?

I get what people are saying due to the size. But nowhere in any rules does it state anything saying that these are illegal.

It is after all ffg approved as far as we know

So unless ffg comes out and apologies there isn't anything that can be done

Again if a TO told me I couldn't use it, I'd contact ffg with the TO and store name.

One of two things will happen

They'll issue a statement, or slap the TO and store hand

You're actually 100% wrong. If you file down the nubs you have officially modified the component. From the tournament rules:

Component Modifications

During tournament play, each player is required to use the components

included in official X-Wing products (see “Legal Products” on page 4).

Questions about a component’s eligibility should be directed to a marshal.

If a necessary component is ruled ineligible and the player cannot locate a

replacement for it, that player is dropped from the tournament.

So the modified cluster mines definitely fall under a modified component, and if the marshal or TO determines they are illegal (spoiler alert they should) then you can't use them.

Ya if it's official ffg, then you should be allowed.

If a TO tried to ban them, then I'd report that to ffg

Sure you can put them with your cards but you can't deploy them legally in game. They are not usable regardless of where they came from.

The template doesn't fit between the nubs.

Yes we heard they doesnt fit first three times. Not saying its ok or anything, if they does not fit its really shty quality then, but if you would step into my table and insist i cannot field they cause they does not fit, instead of moving them this 1,5mm ahead....well lets say i would argue in rather fierce manner.

So take a file and file the nubs down a hair on both sides

The template will fit then

It's plastic, not to hard to tweak to fit properly

Unless ffg makes an official statement if I can make it fit in the template, Where does it say I cannot use it?

So you're saying it should be okay to field physically modified templates?

Lol how they are modified if its FFG who manufactured them? Yes. If that is FFG product and unless they say "folks sorry they are faulty dont use them", even if they are 100% bigger there is nothing that could prevent you from using them.

And on the next page it says "Components can be modified only as described under “Component Modifications” on page 3". I see nothing there that permits shaving down the edges of your tokens.

I think Krynn007 is just trying help.

I'm of the opinion that they're defective tokens and should not be allowed for tournament play, but clearly there are other points of view on this.

Should we table this discussion for now and send out a couple of e-mails asking the question to FFG staff?

EDIT: E-mail sent to friendly FFG staff for additional clarification regarding the legality of this product. Will update this thread upon receiving a response.

Should we table this discussion for now and send out a couple of e-mails asking the question to FFG staff?

That's probably a good idea.

They are also bigger than the cardboard cluster mines. It is actually pretty pathetic how bad these things are. They should replace them.

Specifically, from the images I've seen it looks as if the manufacturer was provided with a template that included something like a 1/4 inch offset from the template itself. The manufacturer then started punching out tokens based on the border+offset, rather than just the border, and no one caught the mistake until players started getting their hands on the tokens.

And yeah, it would be good if FFG set up a program to replace them, but that could be logistically complicated and fairly expensive. I don't know if they'll actually do it.

And depending if you are right and the manufacture in china is to blame or ffg messed up you order a fixed set of the mines or come up with something more useful like connor nets. And you simply use your distribution channels to get those to the stores who held regionales. That is basically free as those stores order FFG products on regular base and their is already a distribution chain established which needs just to relay those few free packages.

Well until ffg says so otherwise like I've just stated

If someone can file down the inside of the nubs, to allow the template to fit properly inside where does it say that these are not allowed?

I get what people are saying due to the size. But nowhere in any rules does it state anything saying that these are illegal.

It is after all ffg approved as far as we know

So unless ffg comes out and apologies there isn't anything that can be done

Again if a TO told me I couldn't use it, I'd contact ffg with the TO and store name.

One of two things will happen

They'll issue a statement, or slap the TO and store hand

You're actually 100% wrong. If you file down the nubs you have officially modified the component. From the tournament rules:

Component Modifications

During tournament play, each player is required to use the components

included in official X-Wing products (see “Legal Products” on page 4).

Questions about a component’s eligibility should be directed to a marshal.

If a necessary component is ruled ineligible and the player cannot locate a

replacement for it, that player is dropped from the tournament.

So the modified cluster mines definitely fall under a modified component, and if the marshal or TO determines they are illegal (spoiler alert they should) then you can't use them.

The article in which you quoted actually makes you look like your in the wrong as it states " official xwing products"

Is this not an official xwing product?

Weather I modify it or not.

Let's say I don't modify it.

It's a hair of a difference, what's stopping me from using it?

You quoted it yourself

"official xwing product" and this is official.

If not then all range rulers, bomb,stress,shield,ion,templates etc etc issue as OP Prize is illegal

If you want to make a case, point me to the rule that states these are not official and or are not allowed?

Until then your wrong I'm afraid

I'm not saying ffg won't come out and either say it is or is not allowed, but until they do, it is an official xwing product, therefore it is legal

Edit

Actually by your standards maybe the template from last year regional are illegal.

If I use the cardboard template from my original core set which has been worn down from wear and tear, then there is a good possibility that someone using ffg acrylic templates will have a mm or two difference

Also cardboard template the edges get rounded and don't fit properly In the nubs

Does that make them illegal through too much play??

I wonder if a moderator is reading this. Hmmmm

The article in which you quoted actually makes you look like your in the wrong as it states " official xwing products"

Is this not an official xwing product?

Weather I modify it or not.

Let's say I don't modify it.

It's a hair of a difference, what's stopping me from using it?

You quoted it yourself

"official xwing product" and this is official.

If not then all range rulers, bomb,stress,shield,ion,templates etc etc issue as OP Prize is illegal

If you want to make a case, point me to the rule that states these are not official and or are not allowed?

Until then your wrong I'm afraid

I'm not saying ffg won't come out and either say it is or is not allowed, but until they do, it is an official xwing product, therefore it is legal

If you don't modify the tokens, they can't be used (because you literally can't deploy them). If you do modify them, they can't be used (because now they're illegally modified components).

It's a bad situation, no doubt, because it's an official component that can never be used in play. It's literally a waste of plastic. But getting mad at other forum members over the issue means you're picking fights with people who (a) didn't cause the problem, and (b) don't have any agency they can direct toward solving the problem.

The article in which you quoted actually makes you look like your in the wrong as it states " official xwing products"Is this not an official xwing product?Weather I modify it or not.Let's say I don't modify it.It's a hair of a difference, what's stopping me from using it?You quoted it yourself"official xwing product" and this is official.If not then all range rulers, bomb,stress,shield,ion,templates etc etc issue as OP Prize is illegalIf you want to make a case, point me to the rule that states these are not official and or are not allowed?Until then your wrong I'm afraidI'm not saying ffg won't come out and either say it is or is not allowed, but until they do, it is an official xwing product, therefore it is legal

If you don't modify the tokens, they can't be used (because you literally can't deploy them). If you do modify them, they can't be used (because now they're illegally modified components). It's a bad situation, no doubt, because it's an official component that can never be used in play. It's literally a waste of plastic. But getting mad at other forum members over the issue means you're picking fights with people who (a) didn't cause the problem, and (b) don't have any agency they can direct toward solving the problem.

Technically speaking they will not fit properly

Also as someone mentioned on the next page it does make mention of allowing modifications

I would like to additionally clarify I don't wish to antagonize anyone (krynn007), I just do not believe these tokens are legal under any circumstances as nicely laid out above.

And on the next page it says "Components can be modified only as described under “Component Modifications” on page 3". I see nothing there that permits shaving down the edges of your tokens.

They are also bigger than the cardboard cluster mines. It is actually pretty pathetic how bad these things are. They should replace them.

Specifically, from the images I've seen it looks as if the manufacturer was provided with a template that included something like a 1/4 inch offset from the template itself. The manufacturer then started punching out tokens based on the border+offset, rather than just the border, and no one caught the mistake until players started getting their hands on the tokens.

And yeah, it would be good if FFG set up a program to replace them, but that could be logistically complicated and fairly expensive. I don't know if they'll actually do it.

And depending if you are right and the manufacture in china is to blame or ffg messed up you order a fixed set of the mines or come up with something more useful like connor nets. And you simply use your distribution channels to get those to the stores who held regionales. That is basically free as those stores order FFG products on regular base and their is already a distribution chain established which needs just to relay those few free packages.

I think it is important to point out that it more than likely wouldn't be a factory in China at fault. I'm pretty certain the stuff they print for prizes is made in house. So, it is quite literally FFG's fault.

At least they didn't mess up something that people actually use?

I will use mine every chance I get, and if I'm told I can't then FFG owes me a replacement

I would like to additionally clarify I don't wish to antagonize anyone (krynn007), I just do not believe these tokens are legal under any circumstances as nicely laid out above.

What if that was the only one they had, and they couldn't get their hands on one to replace?

Is that their fault?

I know it's a far fetch scenario, but even so, would it be that players fault to assume it was legal?

I don't think so

Ffg really fudged this one up imo

Ffg really fudged this one up imo

This is definitely 100% true, and it's a crap situation all around. On the one hand it feels bad to deny someone using a cool token they won but on the other the mines are pretty huge by comparison making a pretty solid advantage to them.

I would like to additionally clarify I don't wish to antagonize anyone (krynn007), I just do not believe these tokens are legal under any circumstances as nicely laid out above.

I understand the argument, and I see your point, but I don't think it would be right to not allow someone to use something that ffg has so far officially released.

What if that was the only one they had, and they couldn't get their hands on one to replace?

Is that their fault?

I know it's a far fetch scenario, but even so, would it be that players fault to assume it was legal?

I don't think so

Ffg really fudged this one up imo

Then they'd have to buy a legal one just like every other card, ship, and template in their list. This is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen on these here forums, and that's saying quite a lot. Its a misprint. It cannot be legally deployed.

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