Hi All,

Looks like FFG is moving to remove this rule in their next update:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/4/15/intentional-draws/

Interested to see the changes they intend to make.

Well, I don't think it really affects Armada that much... We don't have Draws...

A Winner is always declared, even if you go 5-5... There's still a Winner.

(Even if it is all perfectly balanced on kills/points, then second player is declared the Winner, because first player should have done better... )

Not much news in that article for Armada players.

The other article on The Championship Series was more interesting to me.

Store Championships will be Relaxed Tier events. So, the TO can play in them.

Store Championship kits will include 2 copies of a Worlds promo card to be given as event prizes.

The winner of the North American Championships (GenCon) gets to design a card and gets a free trip to Worlds! I wonder if that is in effect for this year?

We also don't really have large enough of a community to have the cuts that X-Wing tournaments tend to have. You need at least 29 players I believe to even have a cut for a top two. Even the Regionals are barely making it to that level.

I'd love to design a Card... I think I've had some good (and balanced) Ideas over the years... (I have my Moments. Not many of them, but I do have them...)

Just'll never happen.

Stupid United States. ::kicks Country::

We also don't really have large enough of a community to have the cuts that X-Wing tournaments tend to have. You need at least 29 players I believe to even have a cut for a top two. Even the Regionals are barely making it to that level.

And 90+ Players to cut to a Top 4... 4~!

We also don't really have large enough of a community to have the cuts that X-Wing tournaments tend to have. You need at least 29 players I believe to even have a cut for a top two. Even the Regionals are barely making it to that level.

Have you been to a regional yet, Truth? How many attendees?

We also don't really have large enough of a community to have the cuts that X-Wing tournaments tend to have. You need at least 29 players I believe to even have a cut for a top two. Even the Regionals are barely making it to that level.

Have you been to a regional yet, Truth? How many attendees?

The 2 that we have reports from had 29 and 30 people attend.

The other side of it is, purely said, Table Space...

Armada Regions will always have half the players of an X-Wing Tournament in the same venue, due to the fact we double our Playspace at a minimum...

So if your Venue hosts a 60 Man X-Wing Tournament (Fairly Large), then you're still only hitting the 2-person Cut...

I mean, the equivelant Event for X-Wing, for Armada to have a Top 4 Cut... is 180 players... I don't care where you are. that's a massive event... That event probably dwarfs any event that's held, because thats 90 tables even for X-Wing...

I mean, put it into perspective...

The reportedly massive Event put on at Indy earlier this year by @mikemcmann ....

Barely HALFWAY to a Top-4 Cut...

HALF

Yeah, regarding the Intentional Draws, that seems to have been a kerfuffle in some circles. I've not been paying it much mind.

Well, I don't think it really affects Armada that much... We don't have Draws...

A Winner is always declared, even if you go 5-5... There's still a Winner.
(Even if it is all perfectly balanced on kills/points, then second player is declared the Winner, because first player should have done better... )

Lyraeus and I had a match like that in a very small tournament. ... **** him.

Not much news in that article for Armada players.

The other article on The Championship Series was more interesting to me.

Store Championships will be Relaxed Tier events. So, the TO can play in them.

That's interesting. I was fairly confident that Store Championships were going to be the Formal tier. I guess that means they're downgrading Store Championships, probably just to give the TOs the opportunity to even the numbers and have more people play more games.

It it is one thing I have seen here over the X-Wing forum.....people can actively debate, and try and work together.

I think the removal of draws works well in any single match tournament format. I'm happy to see that FFG is looking to put a system in place that better reflects the goal of competition.

I understand that this doesn't impact our game very much, but people still felt ways about things regarding this rule, so I figured this might interest them.

Also,it still means we are getting an updated tournament ruleset starting August 1st. At the very least we can look forward to some more copy/paste action from LCGs and X-Wing. Looking forward to being required to sleeve my alt art ship cards again!

The winner of the North American Championships (GenCon) gets to design a card and gets a free trip to Worlds! I wonder if that is in effect for this year?

I need to get better. . .

Yeah, regarding the Intentional Draws, that seems to have been a kerfuffle in some circles. I've not been paying it much mind.

Well, I don't think it really affects Armada that much... We don't have Draws...

A Winner is always declared, even if you go 5-5... There's still a Winner.

(Even if it is all perfectly balanced on kills/points, then second player is declared the Winner, because first player should have done better... )

Lyraeus and I had a match like that in a very small tournament. ... **** him.

My closest ever win. . . My second closest was as 1st player with 1 mov

Yes, the ID thing has been all the talk amongst my XW friends. I see the need for something like that and I am of the opinion that it is part of the "total" game that is tournament play. I know a lot of folks say it's collusion but both players have to agree in the presence of a judge or Marshall.

With all that said, one of the things I'm liking about Armada (over XW) is that tournament play is structured so as to make IDs far less likely. It really does make you want to chase down that crippled VSD with 1 hull with IG88 to make the last shot with the last activated squadron to land the kill for all those points to make it a 9-1 win instead of something less. Oh yes, it can happen.

I mean, put it into perspective...

You are on table 2 and finish, Someone on table 1 asks how you did and you say 7-3. Then you hand in your results. You are now ahead of the low table 1 player by 4 points and ahead of MOV so he can not take a 6-4 loss or worse, you are quietly confident. And yes you had a little look at how things were going and it wasn't pretty for one of the players. Next thing you know they have taken an ID on the top table and you watch your hope of second fade to nothing.

The ID rule is just plain terrible, you are not playing enough games to have the swiss chess seeding system work properly, and then by throwing in the ID they break that even further. Keep in mind the seeding system and results aren't just for first place, but second, third and so on. Out tournaments statistically don't often get first place figured out, and thus fails terribly on the placings.

@WGNBF911: The collusion will take place before the players call the judge, I don't expect anyone will ever call the judge over and say "We have noticed if we call this a draw we both end up in first and second." they will have that discussion long before the judge gets called over.

I was planning on attempting to kill Clons tie fighter and then running for a 16pt MOV victory if I had to play him in the latest vassal tourney.

Surely thats just as dispicable an action.

(Although lets be fair I would never have pulled it off)

My custom card will be Grand Moff Twerkin.

I mean, put it into perspective...

You are on ......

Talk about a Quote out of its Context... >.>

I mean, put it into perspective...

You are on table 2 and finish, Someone on table 1 asks how you did and you say 7-3. Then you hand in your results. You are now ahead of the low table 1 player by 4 points and ahead of MOV so he can not take a 6-4 loss or worse, you are quietly confident. And yes you had a little look at how things were going and it wasn't pretty for one of the players. Next thing you know they have taken an ID on the top table and you watch your hope of second fade to nothing.

The ID rule is just plain terrible, you are not playing enough games to have the swiss chess seeding system work properly, and then by throwing in the ID they break that even further. Keep in mind the seeding system and results aren't just for first place, but second, third and so on. Out tournaments statistically don't often get first place figured out, and thus fails terribly on the placings.

@WGNBF911: The collusion will take place before the players call the judge, I don't expect anyone will ever call the judge over and say "We have noticed if we call this a draw we both end up in first and second." they will have that discussion long before the judge gets called over.

First, I wouldn't be so specific as to give my win spread. A more general answer would be more prudent but yes, all those things are within the realm of possibility. I would be severely disappointed to not make 2nd. Keep in mind, that the judge doesn't have to allow the ID and they technically can't discuss an ID without a judge present. But let's say the judge denies their request, what is to stop them from going to speed 0 on turn 1 and running to turn 6 for a 5-5? Again, there is the game you play on the board and the game that is the tournament. I doubt I'd ever find myself saying yes to an ID.

If they played 6 turns at speed 0 there is an element of premeditation there and a degree of risk that should the game behind them not be as close as they would like they could drop a spot or two.

I am not against the ID as much as I am against it being used at any point, there is a high degree of problems if I can ID with 5 minutes left to play.

I mean, put it into perspective...

You are on ......

Talk about a Quote out of its Context... >.>

Maybe. I took it as a commentary on the issue that being affected by an ID was not all that likely, if that was not quite how I was following the conversation to that point my apologies.