Whenever someone strong in the force appears, it's always "oooh, they must be related to Blabla WHatshisface" or something like that, because people are so bloody unimaginative.

Heehee. This amused me more than I can really explain why. Blabla Whatshisface. *snerk*

I'll take your word on the EU doing that a lot. I didn't read much of it, because most of what I read was junk. But, thankfully, since Disney has dumped most of the EU, you might not have to worry about everyone being the Force child of some awesome Force user going forward.

Let's just put it this way: It would be rare to find an EU book/comic/whatever that A: didn't include someone from the movies (boy, those people got around!) or B: had someone that was directly related to someone from the movies.

Whenever someone strong in the force appears, it's always "oooh, they must be related to Blabla WHatshisface" or something like that, because people are so bloody unimaginative.

Heehee. This amused me more than I can really explain why. Blabla Whatshisface. *snerk*

I'll take your word on the EU doing that a lot. I didn't read much of it, because most of what I read was junk. But, thankfully, since Disney has dumped most of the EU, you might not have to worry about everyone being the Force child of some awesome Force user going forward.

Let's just put it this way: It would be rare to find an EU book/comic/whatever that A: didn't include someone from the movies (boy, those people got around!) or B: had someone that was directly related to someone from the movies.

The Mandos are bad that way... everyone's a Fett or a Vizla or whatever...

Oh and, as 2P51 mentioned, NOBODY even SLIGHTLY remembers her... not even the SLIGHTEST suspicion when they hear where she's from or her name or anything.

Her name and origin world wouldn't mean anything if Luke didn't know that he had a daughter, or if he did know and never bothered to tell anyone. Luke didn't know he had a sister until Obi-Wan told him. And that was 3 years after Luke met her and had worked closely with her. His twin sister. (It doesn't help that Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher do not in the slightest look at all related to one another.)

******* Abrams' "Mystery Box"

If she isnt Luke's daughter, why did you made a huge deal about the Legacy of Anakin's Lightsaber?!?

Given the flaws in your grammar there, I'm not sure if you said "you" meaning me, or meant to put "him" meaning JJ Abrams? Seeing as I didn't mention Luke's lightsaber, I'm guessing you meant to refer to JJ Abrams?

And you would be right. Sorry, i had just waken up when i wrote the previous message.

I usually don't confront other posters lile that without a rhetorical buildup

My colleagues and I are in favor of Ray being Luke's daughter.

That he had with Phasma.

Btw, are people accepting that Ray's name is merely an assumed name that she took from the X-Wing helmet?

She is obviously a clone made from Lukes hand.

I have said this before, I believe - as in Conjecture and hope, that Rey is not related to anyone. I think it would be more poignant to have her be accepted as family by Luke, Leia, Chewie despite not beingg related, while Kylo is rejected despite his blood ties to the family.

Family is NOT only blood relations. Remember Rey's family abandoned her, while the Stormtrooper that just met her risked everything, including the mission to Starkiller Base, just to rescue her. Finn is more family to Rey at this point than her parents are.

Now, as to the lightsaber calling to her, for one, the force is a living entity. Perhaps it wanted her to get it. Second, Ezra in Rebels felt/heard Kanan's lightsaber call to him, saying it "wanted me to take it."

There can also be the dynamic of Luke regretting not having a family and adopting Rey, Chewie being reminded of Han, Finn being smitten (possible love triangle with Poe )

*sigh* why does everyone strong in the force HAVE to come from parents strong in the force?

It's so boring and uninteresting.

It would mean that the force is more or less a genetic trait instead of a mystical power that lives within all of us.

No, I hope her parents are pretty much nobody special and that she simply is "blessed" in the force, for no other reason than the fact that the force is mysterious.

Really? We've known forever that the Star Wars movies are about the Skywalkers. Saying this is boring and unimaginative is pretty much the same as saying the Harry Potter movies are boring and unimaginative for being about Harry Potter, or Batman movies are about Batman. You know what you're getting when you walk into the theater.

I'm pretty sure Rey is Luke's daughter. There's too much evidence pointing to it and almost none pointing anywhere else. To change that now would be artistically dishonest and change the nature of the Star Wars movies in ways Disney has already said they wouldn't change - that the main series hero will always be a Skywalker. Non-Skywalker stories will come in the form of the Anthology movies.

You mean no evidence other than Han, Leia, Chewie, Kylo Ren, and 3PO not recognizing her.

Maybe Luke is both a gentleman and a deadbeat dad.

Since the prequels made such a big deal about Jedi and romance/love/etc... Well, relying on family lines for powerful Jedi seems unlikely,
The Skywalkers are a special case, it seems.

Since the prequels made such a big deal about Jedi and romance/love/etc... Well, relying on family lines for powerful Jedi seems unlikely,

The Skywalkers are a special case, it seems.

If one doesn't just ignore the whole Parasite Eve ripoff that is the midichlorians, then its no wonder that the Jedi were weakening by the time of the PT. If strength in the Force were to come from tiny cellular parasites symbiotes, then purposefully forbidding those who carry those organisms in the largest numbers from having children is going to weaken the pool of Force sensitives over time.

Since the prequels made such a big deal about Jedi and romance/love/etc... Well, relying on family lines for powerful Jedi seems unlikely,

The Skywalkers are a special case, it seems.

If one doesn't just ignore the whole Parasite Eve ripoff that is the midichlorians, then its no wonder that the Jedi were weakening by the time of the PT. If strength in the Force were to come from tiny cellular parasites symbiotes, then purposefully forbidding those who carry those organisms in the largest numbers from having children is going to weaken the pool of Force sensitives over time.

Pretty much, yeah.

As to why Rey is powerful, or seems to be, anyhow...

In the grand scheme I'll be just as willing to accept "The Force has awakened and chosen Rey" as "The next Skywalker".

You mean no evidence other than Han, Leia, Chewie, Kylo Ren, and 3PO not recognizing her.

Han, Chewie, Kylo Ren, and C3PO hadn't seen her since she was what, seven? She's changed a lot.

And who says Kylo Ren didn't know who she was? I get the feeling he knew there was a Force-sensitive girl on Jakku. After all, he got upset when the droid escaped, didn't seem surprised that FN-2187 had helped, but got really inquisitive - even yanking the young ensign into his choking grasp - when he found out about the girl.

Besides... he's the one that dropped her off on Jakku in the first place. Wait and see.

Oh and, as 2P51 mentioned, NOBODY even SLIGHTLY remembers her... not even the SLIGHTEST suspicion when they hear where she's from or her name or anything.

And as someone who's worked with children for the past 20 years, I can tell you that you DO recognize people after they've grown up if you knew them when they were a child.

Sure, it might take you a minute or two to place their face, but you DO recognize them.

If you want to appeal to authority, I can do the same. I'm a parent and a grandparent, a former youth pastor, and have worked in a foster/group home. I can tell you with absolute certainty that sometimes you can recognize people you knew as children after they grow up, and sometimes they simply change so much that the most you get is a passing familiarity.

You know, like the undeniable passing familiarity Han seems to have for Rey.

Going to have to disagree with idea that Han and Lea did not recognize her. IMHO, judging from their body language and facial reactions during certain scenes, it is in my opinion that they know who exactly who she is, but for reasons have decided not to say anything. Plus chewie gives het the falcon and then follows her to find luke instead of staying with Lea. To me, that hints that he knows her as well.

I guess that also puts me in the camp that she is Luke''s daughter. The whole Star Wars saga has been about the Skywalker legacy. Considering that Ep.8 was a reboot of Ep.4, it would seem extremely odd to suddenly bring in a new/different lineage.

Going to have to disagree with idea that Han and Lea did not recognize her. IMHO, judging from their body language and facial reactions during certain scenes, it is in my opinion that they know who exactly who she is, but for reasons have decided not to say anything. Plus chewie gives het the falcon and then follows her to find luke instead of staying with Lea. To me, that hints that he knows her as well.

I guess that also puts me in the camp that she is Luke''s daughter. The whole Star Wars saga has been about the Skywalker legacy. Considering that Ep.8 was a reboot of Ep.4, it would seem extremely odd to suddenly bring in a new/different lineage.

In a way, I think JJ is bringing in new/different lineages, just not with Rey. I'm firmly in the camp that Finn is a Jedi, they're just saving that for a later reveal, and I've heard some people say that Po Dameron is possibly Force sensitive as well, given how well he could fly. Which there is definitely precedent for good pilots having a skill with the Force. I get the impression, from the idea of the Force "Awakening", is that there is a large scale resurgence of Force users coming to light, sort of like on a high tide. And that Rey is just one of them (and the central focus of the movies), but far from the only one.

I'm mostly disappointed that this cuts Phasma out of the running as Rey's mom. That would have been really great.

Yeah... I'm hoping that she's not a Skywalker... but the look Han gives her when she says, "I never knew there was so much green in the whole galaxy" looked **** guilty to me... like he was somehow involved with dumping her there. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean directly related, but it does imply an important relationship.

Who knows?

(Chewie knows... and he ain't sayin')

Whenever someone strong in the force appears, it's always "oooh, they must be related to Blabla WHatshisface" or something like that, because people are so bloody unimaginative.

Heehee. This amused me more than I can really explain why. Blabla Whatshisface. *snerk*

I'll take your word on the EU doing that a lot. I didn't read much of it, because most of what I read was junk. But, thankfully, since Disney has dumped most of the EU, you might not have to worry about everyone being the Force child of some awesome Force user going forward.

Let's just put it this way: It would be rare to find an EU book/comic/whatever that A: didn't include someone from the movies (boy, those people got around!) or B: had someone that was directly related to someone from the movies.

The Mandos are bad that way... everyone's a Fett or a Vizla or whatever...

But that's at least slightly more plausible, since they're not bloodlines, they're clans.

Yeah... I'm hoping that she's not a Skywalker... but the look Han gives her when she says, "I never knew there was so much green in the whole galaxy" looked **** guilty to me... like he was somehow involved with dumping her there. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean directly related, but it does imply an important relationship.

Who knows?

(Chewie knows... and he ain't sayin')

That's actually a good point. I never though about how she got left there. Though, I'm pretty sure in her flashback scene, we see the ship that dropped her off? And it wasn't the Falcon so....*shrugs* But Han did seem to know the alien that was caring for Rey. If I recall correctly, when she said how she got the Falcon, she mentioned that big alien by name, and Han didn't seem surprised by the name. So there could be some history between them, definitely possible.

I dunno, as I've said before, I personally think she's a Skywalker, but the points in the movie I point to as evidence, could also be well crafted red herrings, that are simply generic in nature for the fans. It could go either way really, and I wouldn't mind either way. It would be cool to think of Luke having a child, and thus carrying on that legacy (because I'm a sucker for legacy stories, though they don't have to be genetic legacies), but if she's just "his most gifted padawan, who we were able to save from Ren's purge" well, that's fine too.

For me, the legacy isn't so much the pull of the biological legacy, but the tradition. If the only force user was Finn, and he ends up becoming the new "last Jedi" after Luke, that would still be fine with me. The torch has been passed, the Light hasn't been extinguished fully. I'd like to see it branch out to a group of them, just so we don't always have 1 person running around, and because it allows for more stories. But whatever is cool.

JJ has lied in the past about fan theories, maybe he still does, maybe he doesn't.

I'm pretty sure Rey is either Han/Leia's daughter or she is Anakin reborn.

I think the fact that Abrams did a backtrack on his original remark indicates that while Rey might not be aware that she's met one of her parents, that we the audience have.

I'm in the camp of Rey being Luke' daughter, whom he thought was lost in destruction of his new Jedi Order but was instead secreted away. I remember reading a fan theory (with the author being quite open about it being largely conjecture) that it was Kylo Ren who spared her and dumped the girl on Jakku, although it's also likely (if not more so) that Luke's wife was the one to ferry Rey to safety, fully intending to return until something happened that resulted in her death and the presumed death of Luke's child, which may in turn lead to Luke pretty much going full-bore hermit in his search for the first Jedi Temple.

As for nobody recognizing her, it'd been 15 or so years since the Jedi massacre, and given the environment it's entirely possible for her to look very different enough from either of her parents that nobody who knew Luke or his wife was able to piece together that this is Luke's child. Threepio's a protocol droid, so no need for him to have the kind of facial recognition software to guess what the long-thought dead child of Luke would look like as an adult, and she's been on Jakku so long that her scent might be very different than what Chewie remembers, or at least different enough that he can't be 100% sure that it is indeed Luke's kid. Leia might have sensed something in the Force, but her abilities are largely untrained, so she might not even recognize a tip-off from the Force as anything more than "this girl's important!" which is probably what Maz got, especially after Rey picked up Anakin's lightsaber.

To be fair, I'm perfectly okay with Rey not being the daughter of anybody important, or that perhaps one or both of her parents were refugees from the Jedi massacre who didn't elude the Knights of Ren as long as they might have hoped.

Or could be that she was one of Luke's students from before Ben's betrayal, being very young at the time, and that her sudden proficiency with the Force is more a case of her remembering the old lessons she'd been taught as a child.

Frankly, there's not enough hard evidence to say one way or other who Rey's parents are/were. So pretty much we're all as right and as wrong as the next Star Wars fan.

I fall into the positive evidence camp... if someone wants to claim that X is true, they need to provide evidence that X is true. X can be functionally treated as untrue until actually shown to be true through evidence or direct observation.

Rey-child in the vision being dropped off on Jakku was wearing clothing similar to what we've seen padawan's wear. We could have been seeing a very young Rey being dropped off and hidden on an obscure planet (sounds familiar) right before Luke went into hiding after the Knights of Ren massacred the new jedi temple. There's even an old guy to secretly watch over her Ben Kenobi style.

After the harsh heave-ho followed by the harsh life on Jakku, she barely remembers anything about her past. It's been suppressed and forgotten, including her force abilities. Or perhaps Luke even did a Jedi mind trick on her to make her forget her youth and training. Until they are unlocked by Kylo Ren trying to delve into her mind. Old force training kicked in to defend her from Kylo's mental assault.

Oh and, as 2P51 mentioned, NOBODY even SLIGHTLY remembers her... not even the SLIGHTEST suspicion when they hear where she's from or her name or anything.

Kylo Ren was born Ben Solo. Why does "Rey" have to be her given birth name? It would be silly (Ep. IV silly) to have her hidden away but retain her birth name.

If you have the DVD/Blu-ray, go watch the scene of Leia meeting Rey for the first time and see what you think considering these questions. It does seem Leia knows something about Rey. Perhaps only Leia recognizes Rey since she can cheat with her latent force senses.

If Rey is Luke's child, why would anyone know where Rey is from other then who dropped her off on Jakku? That who sensibly could be Luke and he hasn't been seen possibly since he dropped Rey off.

If you have the DVD/Blu-ray, go watch the scene of Leia meeting Rey for the first time and see what you think considering these questions. It does seem Leia knows something about Rey. Perhaps only Leia recognizes Rey since she can cheat with her latent force senses.

I think it's two force sensitive women looking at one another and sensing each other's surface emotions and thoughts and realizing their mourning the loss of the same person. Anything more than that is reading wayyyyyy too much into it.

After the harsh heave-ho followed by the harsh life on Jakku, she barely remembers anything about her past. It's been suppressed and forgotten, including her force abilities. Or perhaps Luke even did a Jedi mind trick on her to make her forget her youth and training. Until they are unlocked by Kylo Ren trying to delve into her mind. Old force training kicked in to defend her from Kylo's mental assault.

Hell you don't even need any mind tricking to account for that. I can't remember anything beyond about 6-7 years old, only vague snippets of thought and memory. Like the hallway outside of my kindergarten class. Or seeing Return of the Jedi, and even then, it's only vague moments that I remember. Everything else is simply not there. Granted, I could say this about any period of my life, memory of past events isn't something I really devote a lot of memory..(haha!) to in my operating system I call a brain.