2. People further down the pecking order get more game time instead of having to go home after 4, 5 or 6 six games.

But this is what means I can pretend that my terrible flying is a choice!

Welcome to the world of mediocre X-Wing players (which I inhabit).

You pay your money, why shouldn't you get the full

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Baaa

You mediocre bastards with your...I don't know..., can you even be casually elitist? In any case, I don't think I've reached mediocrity, yet. I think I'm still a little below par.

If I'm entirely honest, I was bigging myself up there.

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Baaa

Do you have access to my Facebook page?

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Baaa

Should I? Is that something that I should want?

Also, never yell at a barking dog. It'll just be like, "GREAT NOW WE'RE BOTH BARKING!"

So why are we both barking?

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Baaa

"THE GUY NEXT DOOR JUST PULLED INTO HIS OWN DRIVEWAY IN HIS OWN CAR AND WENT INTO HIS OWN HOUSE! CAN YOU BELIEVE THE NERVE OF THAT GUY!?"

(OK, I'm done.)

Got it.

Can't put this in your sig -

Tournament Record: 31-10 (1st x1; top 2 x3; top 4 x3; top 8 x1)

No probs.

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Baaa

This was out of order.

Obi, I'm sorry for being a prick.

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Baaa

Welcome to the world of mediocre X-Wing players (which I inhabit).

You pay your money, why shouldn't you get the full bhoona?

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Baaa

I just think you'd see too many drops if you tried to get people to play 7-8 games. I always find that the vibe in the mid-to-lower tables is always drained by 5 or 6 and really it's just a wait to see who gets the cards. The guys at the top obviously have some weird drive that I don't.

Welcome to the world of mediocre X-Wing players (which I inhabit).

You pay your money, why shouldn't you get the full bhoona?

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Baaa

I just think you'd see too many drops if you tried to get people to play 7-8 games. I always find that the vibe in the mid-to-lower tables is always drained by 5 or 6 and really it's just a wait to see who gets the cards. The guys at the top obviously have some weird drive that I don't.

Hey,

I never make past the Swiss. But the reality is at that point it becomes a choice, not a necessity. And that might keep a few more players in.

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Baaa

It would have the practical effect of making tournaments single elimination. One loss and you'd have no choice of making first place. Whether you think that's good or not is another debate.

So currently,

We play 3, 5 or whatever rounds of Swiss and the cut is decided on rankings at that point. How does losing your first game decide your full tournament ranking?

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Baaa

Currently, depending on the number of people, you can lose 1 game, sometimes 2, and still have a chance to make the cut, and from there you can become champion. But with pure swiss, as soon as you lose one game, you have zero chance of making first place.

It would have the practical effect of making tournaments single elimination. One loss and you'd have no choice of making first place. Whether you think that's good or not is another debate.

So currently,

We play 3, 5 or whatever rounds of Swiss and the cut is decided on rankings at that point. How does losing your first game decide your full tournament ranking?

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Baaa

Currently, depending on the number of people, you can lose 1 game, sometimes 2, and still have a chance to make the cut, and from there you can become champion. But with pure swiss, as soon as you lose one game, you have zero chance of making first place.

But if we're honest, how does a cut change this?

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Baaa

It would have the practical effect of making tournaments single elimination. One loss and you'd have no choice of making first place. Whether you think that's good or not is another debate.

So currently,

We play 3, 5 or whatever rounds of Swiss and the cut is decided on rankings at that point. How does losing your first game decide your full tournament ranking?

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Baaa

Currently, depending on the number of people, you can lose 1 game, sometimes 2, and still have a chance to make the cut, and from there you can become champion. But with pure swiss, as soon as you lose one game, you have zero chance of making first place.

But if we're honest, how does a cut change this?

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Baaa

Well, to take a recent example, the winner of the Hoth Open was not the winner of the swiss rounds. Having a cut allowed him to defeat the players that had been undefeated. Without the cut to top 8, Sozin (I think) would be going to London instead.

But the Swiss rounds dictates who makes the cut?

So it's entirely possible to lose your first Swiss game but make the cut?

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Baaa

Yes, it is. At the end of the Swiss rounds, there will be one person undefeated, and several people with one loss. That loss can be in round 1 or round 6 and you still make the cut to top 8 or whatever.

Even in oddball cases like Roanoke, there were 6 people that had a score of 4-1 going into the final round. It made no difference whether that loss was in round 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. And all six of those people, plus the two that had gone undefeated, had an equal chance of becoming the overall winner.

And a pure Swiss tournament would negate this how?

Another 2 or 3 rounds of Swiss would bring the cream to the top. As it stands (and as was shown to be the case at Roanoke) if you have an arbitrary cut off point, people who should be there or thereabouts, are being denied.

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Baaa

Because in a pure swiss tournament, the round structure is set up such that at the end you have a single person who is undefeated at the end, and they get first place. Obviously if you lose a single game at any point, then you have no chance of being first. Therefore it is similar to single elimination. You can still play for 2nd-8th place, but 1st is out of reach.

Because in a pure swiss tournament, the round structure is set up such that at the end you have a single person who is undefeated at the end, and they get first place. Obviously if you lose a single game at any point, then you have no chance of being first. Therefore it is similar to single elimination. You can still play for 2nd-8th place, but 1st is out of reach.

But in a pure Swiss tournament, unlike a knockout tournament (which the cut creates) you have a chance. And lets be honest here, if you can go through a tournament, regardless of the format, undefeated, then surely you deserve to win?

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Baaa

I won a small store championship that did not have a cut. Because of the draw, I did not play the eventual 2nd or 3rd places, and took 1st because of MoV (two players scored 4-0). Some might see that as not ideal, and I can imagine it is for a larger tournament.

Hi Baaa,

Do you think a pure swiss could have a climactic final table? You could also mitigate the ID problem by picking the pairings from a bigger range and not just people with similar scores. Right now you play a random person with as many tournament points as you that you haven't played yet. If it was top third players are randaomly paired, and so on (mid third, bottom third) then the chance of IDs being a thing would be reduced and you would still get to watch Mr Heaver play some dude at the final table.

I do like the final table, jut saying...

Hi Baaa,

Do you think a pure swiss could have a climactic final table? You could also mitigate the ID problem by picking the pairings from a bigger range and not just people with similar scores. Right now you play a random person with as many tournament points as you that you haven't played yet. If it was top third players are randaomly paired, and so on (mid third, bottom third) then the chance of IDs being a thing would be reduced and you would still get to watch Mr Heaver play some dude at the final table.

I do like the final table, jut saying...

And why would the final table of a pure Swiss tournament be any less exciting?

If you don't make the cut do you have a chance of getting there? Of course not.

But if you're sitting at 5th place in a Swiss, going into the final round and have a (slim) chance of winning, is that not climatic?

The Elimination Rounds are the problem. Either get rid of them, or play a mini-league at every tournament you go to.

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Baaa

In the final round of a pure swiss isnt it possible to have more than 2 people with the same score, so there would then be more than one final table and possible multiple peopel finnishing withthe same score, I realise you go to MOV but then you don't know who won until the TO has crunched the numbers.