Paul Heaver suggested making the ID 0 points.

Paul Heaver suggested making the ID 0 points.

His solution is basically what Option C is. BTW, what is your vote?

Option B

Of the options listed:

B

C

I am in support of Occam's Razor. And it seems like heaver is as well as he suggested C.

Is option A the current rules as the post suggests? My understanding of the current system is an ID is worth 1 point, not 0 points.

Is option A the current rules as the post suggests? My understanding of the current system is an ID is worth 1 point, not 0 points.

Oops. Typo. Fixed now. Thanks.

I say B, with one tiny adjustment.

Modified loss needs to be 0 points. Otherwise, the players can fabricate an ID by figuring out what they need to destroy from each other and then wait for time to both secure at least 1 point.

That would be collusion and it can happen already to a degree.

Yes. So why not eliminate the possibility of collusion?

Because you can't. Even in a simple win/loss scenario, one of the players might be in the top 8 already regardless, but the other needs a win to get in. The one in the top 8 already could concede to let the other player into the top 8. I can't think of any solution where you completely eliminate the possibility for people to game the system.

B

A

ID should work as normal provided the "leader" has final say on approval. If a draw will affect final standing in a cut out (i.e. prevent a lower seed player the chance to place in the top cut) then play must continue or modified draw/win will change to = 0

I would go with A, with change to give 0 points and 0 MoV in case of ID.

C, i think

A

ID should work as normal provided the "leader" has final say on approval. If a draw will affect final standing in a cut out (i.e. prevent a lower seed player the chance to place in the top cut) then play must continue or modified draw/win will change to = 0

I would go with A, with change to give 0 points and 0 MoV in case of ID.

Neither of these are A. A is the rules as they currently are. If you prefer them as they currently are, then please confirm and I'll include the vote. The three options presented are the most popular three options being discussed. It's a preference amongst those three. If every option was included the poll would be massive and inconclusive.

Of these options, probably B, but until we're being asked about it by FFG I'm not sure of the benefit of polling the community?

B.

None of the above.

The current structure should simply be altered to make a draw of any kind a double loss. Zero points awarded for an ID or going to time with equal points.

If you don't fulfill the conditions to win, you lose. It's as simple as that.

Of these options, probably B, but until we're being asked about it by FFG I'm not sure of the benefit of polling the community?

Do you think FFG will ask? Most of the discussion on this topic has been a spattering of 100 different solutions. That's not really that useful to them. I've gathered the most popular ones so they can get a better steer of the feel of the community. It can't hurt right?

Of these options, probably B, but until we're being asked about it by FFG I'm not sure of the benefit of polling the community?

Do you think FFG will ask? Most of the discussion on this topic has been a spattering of 100 different solutions. That's not really that useful to them. I've gathered the most popular ones so they can get a better steer of the feel of the community. It can't hurt right?

I hope they will, but I doubt it.

I expect that they will either stick to their guns with an unpopular system for a while, or quietly change it to a more popular one once Regionals are done. I doubt they'll seek community feedback via the forums.

None of the above.

The current structure should simply be altered to make a draw of any kind a double loss. Zero points awarded for an ID or going to time with equal points.

If you don't fulfill the conditions to win, you lose. It's as simple as that.

That hasn't been a popular choice as the other options.

I see no "20 of sum" system.

with points distributed to both players according to MoV

I see no "20 of sum" system.

with points distributed to both players according to MoV

That's because I've only see it mentioned a few times. These are the three most popular options being discussed.

I'll go with option B please, Bob. It is well known publicly that I am against IDs in any form, so I will be happy with option C as well (or anything as long as IDs are removed).

A

Letting draws go to the initiative holder is a massive overcorection for the relitevly rare instance where playing a late round Swiss game is against a player's interests.

it seems that option b was the closest to what A lot of us were saying but altered to take out draws. So, none of the above I guess.

Ties are not the devil, especially in a better structured points system.

Also would like to see 20-0

it seems that option b was the closest to what A lot of us were saying but altered to take out draws. So, none of the above I guess.

Ties are not the devil, especially in a better structured points system.

Also would like to see 20-0

The issue most people had with leaving in draws and removing ID is that players would just fly in circles to get a draw, essentially creating an ID in a different way.