I hope that Disney experiences exactly the same critical reviews it did for Aftermath if they willfully produce trash again. Between aftermath and TFA I have all of zero interest in the rebranding.

I avidly ordered and read Aftermath, expecting it the book which would tie the old trilogy and the new movies together. That is what they marketed.

It was not that at all.

Aftermath can be summarized as:

- Someone at LFL or Disney writes down in a paper "The Empire's remaining leaders gather in a planet to talk after Palpatine's death. Make this a book."

- Someone else at LFL or Disney buys FFG's Age of Rebellion pen and paper RPG game and recruits 4 other people to create cliché but random characters, smash them together in a group, and move them around that line of text above, getting wrong a lot of things, (like why all the remaining leaders of the Empire, an empire that encompasses hundred of thousand worlds, is just a fistful of weirdos?).

- Someone else pours a bucket of politically correct paint all over the transcript of that RPG sessions. Then someone else pours another one. And then another one.

- Finally, someone else reads the whole of it and thinks that is boring and uninteresting for Star Wars fans, and proposes to spice it up with random, unnecessary, 100% unrelated scenes in the style of the "Meanwhile, in Russia..." memes, whose only purpose is to have short cameos of known Star Wars characters.

- Then Chuck Wendig re-writes it all in present tense.

Man that sounds more awful than TFA, it sounds even more awful than KJA.

Yeah, it was pretty bad. On the other hand, Lost Stars was probably some of the best Star Wars fiction I've ever read.

I hope that Disney experiences exactly the same critical reviews it did for Aftermath if they willfully produce trash again. Between aftermath and TFA I have all of zero interest in the rebranding.

I avidly ordered and read Aftermath, expecting it the book which would tie the old trilogy and the new movies together. That is what they marketed.

It was not that at all.

Aftermath can be summarized as:

- Someone at LFL or Disney writes down in a paper "The Empire's remaining leaders gather in a planet to talk after Palpatine's death. Make this a book."

- Someone else at LFL or Disney buys FFG's Age of Rebellion pen and paper RPG game and recruits 4 other people to create cliché but random characters, smash them together in a group, and move them around that line of text above, getting wrong a lot of things, (like why all the remaining leaders of the Empire, an empire that encompasses hundred of thousand worlds, is just a fistful of weirdos?).

- Someone else pours a bucket of politically correct paint all over the transcript of that RPG sessions. Then someone else pours another one. And then another one.

- Finally, someone else reads the whole of it and thinks that is boring and uninteresting for Star Wars fans, and proposes to spice it up with random, unnecessary, 100% unrelated scenes in the style of the "Meanwhile, in Russia..." memes, whose only purpose is to have short cameos of known Star Wars characters.

- Then Chuck Wendig re-writes it all in present tense.

Man that sounds more awful than TFA, it sounds even more awful than KJA.

A lot of people really enjoyed it, myself included and the reviews reflect that. It was miles better then most of the old ost Jedi EU.

the original Thrawn trilogy used the whole unknown region threat as reasoning why the emperor send his best strategist and tactician back into the unknown regions. Together with the reason why he even wanted that blue skinned, red-eyed Alien as his Grand Admiral.

Threats in the Unknown Regions weren't covered in as much detail, it was more "Empire wants this barbaric area under control"

Many of the Emperor’s top commanders and courtiers had never learned to feel comfortable with those eyes. Or with Thrawn himself, for that matter. Which was probably why the Grand Admiral had spent so much of his career out in the Unknown Regions, working to bring those still-barbaric sections of the galaxy under Imperial control. His brilliant successes had won him the title of Warlord and the right to wear the white uniform of Grand Admiral - the only nonhuman ever granted that honor by the Emperor.

Ironically, it had also made him all the more indispensable to the frontier campaigns. Pellaeon had often wondered how the Battle of Endor would have ended if Thrawn, not Vader, had been commanding the Executor.

the original Thrawn trilogy used the whole unknown region threat as reasoning why the emperor send his best strategist and tactician back into the unknown regions. Together with the reason why he even wanted that blue skinned, red-eyed Alien as his Grand Admiral.

Threats in the Unknown Regions weren't covered in as much detail, it was more "Empire wants this barbaric area under control"

Many of the Emperor’s top commanders and courtiers had never learned to feel comfortable with those eyes. Or with Thrawn himself, for that matter. Which was probably why the Grand Admiral had spent so much of his career out in the Unknown Regions, working to bring those still-barbaric sections of the galaxy under Imperial control. His brilliant successes had won him the title of Warlord and the right to wear the white uniform of Grand Admiral - the only nonhuman ever granted that honor by the Emperor.

Ironically, it had also made him all the more indispensable to the frontier campaigns. Pellaeon had often wondered how the Battle of Endor would have ended if Thrawn, not Vader, had been commanding the Executor.

IIRC (really been a while) that was just one of many hints for that and in context of the EU we had theSsi-ruuk attacking imperial space right after Endor. Again IIRC Pellaeon wondered himself what occupied Thrawn so long in the Unkown regions and why Thrawn returned so late to the core worlds. .

I hope that Disney experiences exactly the same critical reviews it did for Aftermath if they willfully produce trash again. Between aftermath and TFA I have all of zero interest in the rebranding.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I believe you are in the minority that thinks The Force Awakens was trash. While it wasn't fantastic, most everyone I know had a favorable opinion of it. This includes the many "normal" and non-gamer/geek people that I know.

As for Disney putting out new novels, there will be some that are not so good. Out of the numerous new ones, I think most of them are worth it and pretty good. I didn't care for the one about Luke and the worms that eat through armor. I did enjoy Aftermath, though, as I listened to the audio book with my son. It wasn't the best, but it wasn't horrible.

I think Aftermath is an attempt to start a new storyline in the series that goes beyond the Solo and Skywalker family. It's an attempt to bring a group of different characters together to become a new effective group to run around and have adventures with. I found it much better than many old EU books that I attempted to read.

I hope that Disney experiences exactly the same critical reviews it did for Aftermath if they willfully produce trash again. Between aftermath and TFA I have all of zero interest in the rebranding.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I believe you are in the minority that thinks The Force Awakens was trash. While it wasn't fantastic, most everyone I know had a favorable opinion of it. This includes the many "normal" and non-gamer/geek people that I know.

As for Disney putting out new novels, there will be some that are not so good. Out of the numerous new ones, I think most of them are worth it and pretty good. I didn't care for the one about Luke and the worms that eat through armor. I did enjoy Aftermath, though, as I listened to the audio book with my son. It wasn't the best, but it wasn't horrible.

I think Aftermath is an attempt to start a new storyline in the series that goes beyond the Solo and Skywalker family. It's an attempt to bring a group of different characters together to become a new effective group to run around and have adventures with. I found it much better than many old EU books that I attempted to read.

Indeed, TFA was unquestionably successful and the only new books where I've seen more people dislike them then like them were Dark Disciple and the one you mentioned, Heir to the Jedi.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

I was led to believe it was terrible.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

I was led to believe it was terrible.

It was not terrible. It might have helped that I listened to the audio book and they add in a lot of sound effects and such. That made it kind of like an old radio adventure show.

Was it great? No. Was it terrible? No. It was in between. I was able to finish it, which is more than I can say of Heir of the Jedi and about half the EU books.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

I was led to believe it was terrible.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

I was led to believe it was terrible.

A lot of people hated on it because they were used to the old EU where every single post Jedi book was inexplicably focused in on the movie characters and the idea that in a Galaxy that size having the same three people at the center of every important event was unrealistic frightened them. Their fear was compounded by the fact that there were multiple female characters in important roles.

Some of us hated it because the writing was bad and the story was uninteresting.

Some of us hated it because the writing was bad and the story was uninteresting.

...but not as bad or uninteresting as a lot of EU books were.

Some of us hated it because the writing was bad and the story was uninteresting.

...but not as bad or uninteresting as a lot of EU books were.

Having read pretty much every old EU book from the galactic civil war era on, and personally I'll take most if not all of them over aftermath. Not saying they were all amazing books, but aftermath was bad...

I have not read any books from the old EU, and I still found the story in Aftermath quite boring and uninspired.

As I said, the whole series of events leads to basically something that could be described in one paragraph. The rest is just filler proper of a RPG session, more than a well constructed story.

The characters are either flat, unlikable or totally out of place.

And it feels much less Star Wars and much more our own world, with a Star Wars logo sticked on top. It feels to me almost like the writer didn't want to write about Star Wars, he wanted to write about something else, but they are making him writing a **** fantasy book. But he will write about whatever he wants and paint it with Star Wars colors.

I don't mind the female leads at all. It's almost refreshing. I only find the whole politically-correctism forced and overstated because Star Wars isn't our own world. Or at least isn't supposed to be. It's a galaxy where race, gender or sexuality supposedly don't matter. They are much more advanced than us in that respect and these themes are not even worth mentioning. They got over it probably like 30000 years ago. Other themes that Star Wars totally ignores are formal religions, political ideology, or even specism (remember that the Empire and the Emperor were supposed to be terribly xenophobic in the old EU, but since the prequels and on, that is not so anymore).

Then, the autor shoehorns race, gender and sexuality subjects into these characters, implying that these subjects outstand in a setting where they didn't have any importance to start with.

Why should I care that the imperial admiral is a black, lesbian, woman, and all characters and the narrator insist on that so often? She is the admiral of the imperial navy, geez. That should be enough to leave it clear that she is a character strong enough to reach that position. Then, why is she all the time questioning herself, wondering if the others in the room think little of her for being a woman? All of sudden women have a story of discrimination in Star Wars? Cannot a woman character be original enough not to be a cliché of a "woman doing a man's job", even in another galaxy?

This shows much of the author's own accepted prejudices, I think.

Also, why insisting so much on sexuality? We don't know if Luke is straight, gay, bi, or has a fetish for little green wrinkled old men. The thing is that it doesn't matter at all. We don't care. This is not the story of how Luke came out of the closet and how much internal anguish he went thru. This is the story of how Luke blew up a Death Star and redeemed his father. I don't deny the value of literature that deals with those subjects. I just think Star Wars isn't the proper setting to frame them.

Why so much insistence on underlining all the time that Sloane is lesbian, that the imperial agent character is gay, that the protagonist's aunts are lesbians, and that even there are a couple of homosexual bith alien neighbors living nearby?! It's so gratuitous! Why you tell me these things? It's like whenever they introduced a new character they would tell you whether these characters look at the paper after wiping their asses or not. Who cares!

Also, I cannot stand the character of the son. It's all the opposite that it should be. Stupid, whiny, spoiled, hateful, and the worst sin, conservative. A teenager who wants to stay working in a workshop, in a sh*tty planet, being bullied by a local mafia, instead of going out, fix the world, make things right, etc. It's against anything a youth would ever do! It's a 70 years old man mentality in a boy! I couldn't believe that character's motivations during the whole book. Much less even after his ridiculous twist.

Some of us hated it because the writing was bad and the story was uninteresting.

...but not as bad or uninteresting as a lot of EU books were.

Having read pretty much every old EU book from the galactic civil war era on, and personally I'll take most if not all of them over aftermath. Not saying they were all amazing books, but aftermath was bad...

To make maters worse the author that made that booked said anyone going to social media to complane about SW is no longer a SW fan. He gleefully boasts about making a gay SW character, which added nothing to the story, and now his 2nd book will be about Sextuality in the Empire. Unless he lied that is the most stupid and unneeded story, story arch, and story theme you could have in SW. I could care less if he wrote it that the Empire was full lf nothing but hetrosextuals, Its something that at best should be a side note in a source book, at worst not *** ESSENTIAL! If his point during an interview reflexs what he will be putting in his novels, part of the REB Alliance causes is to fight for the rights of LGBT... I am pretty sure thats not thd main motivation in the creation of the Alliance.

As a side note one of the reasons his book got great reviews was because groups of his blog followers, aka fans, pleged support to his sw novel without reading it. Technically said Disneywars followers have commited cyberslander agianst legends fans, claiming we have commited aggressive actions against LFL itself, AND that we are "TERRORISTS.". If they think we are terrorists they dont know what terror really is.

I dont know what Disney is doing... but like after taking a quick glance through the new Marvel SW comics I swear they are trying to make Liea bi... Which is a weird character change and also Luke could be gay... If they want to make Gay or Bi SW characters they should just do it, and not like how the guy who wrote the novel we are talking about. They however shouldnt up and make crazy character changes like what we are seeing now.

I have not read any books from the old EU, and I still found the story in Aftermath quite boring and uninspired.

As I said, the whole series of events lead to basically something that could be described in one paragraph. The rest is just filler proper of a RPG session, more than a well constructed story.

The characters are either flat, unlikable or totally out of place.

And it feels much less Star Wars and much more our own world, with a Star Wars logo sticked on top. It feels to me almost like the writer didn't want to write about Star Wars, he wanted to write about something else, but they are making him writing a **** fantasy book. But he will write about whatever he wants and paint it with Star Wars colors.

I don't mind the female leads at all. It's almost refreshing. I only find the whole politically-correctism forced and overstated because Star Wars isn't our own world. Or at least isn't supposed to be. It's a galaxy where race, gender or sexuality supposedly don't matter. They are much more advanced than us in that respect and these themes are not even worth mentioning. They got over it probably like 30000 years ago. Other themes that Star Wars totally ignores are formal religions, political ideology, or even specism (remember that the Empire and the Emperor were supposed to be terribly xenophobic in the old EU, but since the prequels and on, that is not so anymore).

Then, the autor shoehorns race, gender and sexuality subjects into these characters, implying that these subjects outstand in a setting where they didn't have any importance to start with.

Why should I care that the imperial admiral is a black, lesbian, woman, and all characters and the narrator insist on that so often? She is the admiral of the imperial navy, geez. That should be enough to leave it clear that she is a character strong enough to reach that position. Then, why is she all the time questioning herself, wondering if the others in the room think little of her for being a woman? All of sudden women have a story of discrimination in Star Wars? Cannot a woman character be original enough not to be a cliché of a "woman doing a man's job", even in another galaxy?

This shows much of the author's own accepted prejudices, I think.

Also, why insisting so much on sexuality? We don't know if Luke is straight, gay, bi, or has a fetish for little green wrinkled old men. The thing is that it doesn't matter at all. We don't care. This is not the story of how Luke came out of the closet and how much internal anguish he went thru. This is the story of how Luke blew up a Death Star and redeemed his father. I don't deny the value of literature that deals with those subjects. I just think Star Wars isn't the proper setting to frame them.

Why so much insistence on underlining all the time that Sloane is lesbian, that the imperial agent character is gay, that the protagonist's aunts are lesbians, and that even there are a couple of homosexual bith alien neighbors living nearby?! It's so gratuitous! Why you tell me these things? It's like whenever they introduced a new character they would tell you whether these characters look at the paper after wiping their asses or not. Who cares!

Also, I cannot stand the character of the son. It's all the opposite that it should be. Stupid, whiny, spoiled, hateful, and the worst sin, conservative. A teenager who wants to stay working in a workshop, in a sh*tty planet, being bullied by a local mafia, instead of going out, fix the world, make things right, etc. It's against anything a youth would ever do! It's a 70 years old man mentality in a boy! I couldn't believe that character's motivations during the whole book. Much less even after his ridiculous twist.

The only good SW story I have seen thats new is SW:ep7 and Uprising. Everything else *** me off because its a slap in the face to the characters, like what they did to Vader in SW:Rebels, or in the case of the comics they are uber boring and can be thought of as nothing but a book of feats for the characters in them.

Besides making the characters not themselves, every droid is now a HK-47 knock off, which is lame and cheepens said droid character by taking away his uniqueness.

The progressive bent of the new books is quite refreshing (being anvilicious in the approach not withstanding), but I think the rest of it overall was a blow to the idea that the Disneyverse would somehow avoid Sturgeon's Law in ways the EU did not.

I'm also seeing the shades of the "shoving it down our throats" *snicker* that pervades the homophobe crowd in this thread, which while kind of expected of the old Star Wars nerd demographic, is unwelcome to say the least.

Sidenote: If Thrawn comes to Rebels he better be voiced by Clancy Brown, at which point I might give it a chance.

The official summery for the new Star Wars book Aftermath: Life Debt has been released and with it the first confirmation that the Grand Admiral rank/title still exists in the new canon with the recurring character Rae Sloane being listed as that rank. Those of you who read the first Aftermath book will recall that it ended with her talking with an unknown high ranking Imperial that commanded a great deal of fear and respect from other remaining Imperial leaders and so what do you think this will mean for current fan theories?

Two things.

1) Nothing has cancelled out the other 12-14 Grand Admirals existing.

2) They allready wrote Admiral Fishman as being the Grand Admiral of the REB Alliance.

The official summery for the new Star Wars book Aftermath: Life Debt has been released and with it the first confirmation that the Grand Admiral rank/title still exists in the new canon with the recurring character Rae Sloane being listed as that rank. Those of you who read the first Aftermath book will recall that it ended with her talking with an unknown high ranking Imperial that commanded a great deal of fear and respect from other remaining Imperial leaders and so what do you think this will mean for current fan theories?

Two things.

1) Nothing has cancelled out the other 12-14 Grand Admirals existing.

2) They allready wrote Admiral Fishman as being the Grand Admiral of the REB Alliance.

Firstly: They were call erased in the wipe like so much of the old EU garbage as was explicitly stated by the owners if the IP. They are every bit as relevant to the current stories as the Infinities comics.

Secondly if you actually bothered to read the thread you would see that we already talked about Akbar and are specifically referring to the Imperial rank.

The progressive bent of the new books is quite refreshing (being anvilicious in the approach not withstanding), but I think the rest of it overall was a blow to the idea that the Disneyverse would somehow avoid Sturgeon's Law in ways the EU did not.

I'm also seeing the shades of the "shoving it down our throats" *snicker* that pervades the homophobe crowd in this thread, which while kind of expected of the old Star Wars nerd demographic, is unwelcome to say the least.

Sidenote: If Thrawn comes to Rebels he better be voiced by Clancy Brown, at which point I might give it a chance.

Rebels already used Clancy Brown.

Some of us hated it because the writing was bad and the story was uninteresting.

...but not as bad or uninteresting as a lot of EU books were.

Having read pretty much every old EU book from the galactic civil war era on, and personally I'll take most if not all of them over aftermath. Not saying they were all amazing books, but aftermath was bad...

To make maters worse the author that made that booked said anyone going to social media to complane about SW is no longer a SW fan. He gleefully boasts about making a gay SW character, which added nothing to the story, and now his 2nd book will be about Sextuality in the Empire. Unless he lied that is the most stupid and unneeded story, story arch, and story theme you could have in SW. I could care less if he wrote it that the Empire was full lf nothing but hetrosextuals, Its something that at best should be a side note in a source book, at worst not *** ESSENTIAL! If his point during an interview reflexs what he will be putting in his novels, part of the REB Alliance causes is to fight for the rights of LGBT... I am pretty sure thats not thd main motivation in the creation of the Alliance.

I dont know what Disney is doing... but like after taking a quick glance through the new Marvel SW comics I swear they are trying to make Liea bi... Which is a weird character change and also Luke could be gay... If they want to make Gay or Bi SW characters they should just do it, and not like how the guy who wrote the novel we are talking about. They however shouldnt up and make crazy character changes like what we are seeing now.

I have not read any books from the old EU, and I still found the story in Aftermath quite boring and uninspired.

As I said, the whole series of events lead to basically something that could be described in one paragraph. The rest is just filler proper of a RPG session, more than a well constructed story.

The characters are either flat, unlikable or totally out of place.

And it feels much less Star Wars and much more our own world, with a Star Wars logo sticked on top. It feels to me almost like the writer didn't want to write about Star Wars, he wanted to write about something else, but they are making him writing a **** fantasy book. But he will write about whatever he wants and paint it with Star Wars colors.

I don't mind the female leads at all. It's almost refreshing. I only find the whole politically-correctism forced and overstated because Star Wars isn't our own world. Or at least isn't supposed to be. It's a galaxy where race, gender or sexuality supposedly don't matter. They are much more advanced than us in that respect and these themes are not even worth mentioning. They got over it probably like 30000 years ago. Other themes that Star Wars totally ignores are formal religions, political ideology, or even specism (remember that the Empire and the Emperor were supposed to be terribly xenophobic in the old EU, but since the prequels and on, that is not so anymore).

Then, the autor shoehorns race, gender and sexuality subjects into these characters, implying that these subjects outstand in a setting where they didn't have any importance to start with.

Why should I care that the imperial admiral is a black, lesbian, woman, and all characters and the narrator insist on that so often? She is the admiral of the imperial navy, geez. That should be enough to leave it clear that she is a character strong enough to reach that position. Then, why is she all the time questioning herself, wondering if the others in the room think little of her for being a woman? All of sudden women have a story of discrimination in Star Wars? Cannot a woman character be original enough not to be a cliché of a "woman doing a man's job", even in another galaxy?

This shows much of the author's own accepted prejudices, I think.

Also, why insisting so much on sexuality? We don't know if Luke is straight, gay, bi, or has a fetish for little green wrinkled old men. The thing is that it doesn't matter at all. We don't care. This is not the story of how Luke came out of the closet and how much internal anguish he went thru. This is the story of how Luke blew up a Death Star and redeemed his father. I don't deny the value of literature that deals with those subjects. I just think Star Wars isn't the proper setting to frame them.

Why so much insistence on underlining all the time that Sloane is lesbian, that the imperial agent character is gay, that the protagonist's aunts are lesbians, and that even there are a couple of homosexual bith alien neighbors living nearby?! It's so gratuitous! Why you tell me these things? It's like whenever they introduced a new character they would tell you whether these characters look at the paper after wiping their asses or not. Who cares!

Also, I cannot stand the character of the son. It's all the opposite that it should be. Stupid, whiny, spoiled, hateful, and the worst sin, conservative. A teenager who wants to stay working in a workshop, in a sh*tty planet, being bullied by a local mafia, instead of going out, fix the world, make things right, etc. It's against anything a youth would ever do! It's a 70 years old man mentality in a boy! I couldn't believe that character's motivations during the whole book. Much less even after his ridiculous twist.

The only good SW story I have seen thats new is SW:ep7 and Uprising. Everything else *** me off because its a slap in the face to the characters, like what they did to Vader in SW:Rebels, or in the case of the comics they are uber boring and can be thought of as nothing but a book of feats for the characters in them.

Besides making ghd characters not themselves, every droid is now a HK-47 knock off, which is lame and cheepens said droid character by taking away his uniqueness.

Aside from being loaded with hamfisted bigotry this whole post is a grammatical and spelling nightmare... Good lord where do I start with everything wrong here..

I'm truly sorry that the idea of Star Wars books featuring people who are different then you and like people who do not often get to see people like themselves in media frightens you to the point where you find that it takes away from the story.

The progressive bent of the new books is quite refreshing (being anvilicious in the approach not withstanding), but I think the rest of it overall was a blow to the idea that the Disneyverse would somehow avoid Sturgeon's Law in ways the EU did not.

I'm also seeing the shades of the "shoving it down our throats" *snicker* that pervades the homophobe crowd in this thread, which while kind of expected of the old Star Wars nerd demographic, is unwelcome to say the least.

Sidenote: If Thrawn comes to Rebels he better be voiced by Clancy Brown, at which point I might give it a chance.

Rebels already used Clancy Brown.

You know that voice actors can play more than one role, right?

I mean, Frank Welker alone voiced like half of Cybertron.

The progressive bent of the new books is quite refreshing (being anvilicious in the approach not withstanding), but I think the rest of it overall was a blow to the idea that the Disneyverse would somehow avoid Sturgeon's Law in ways the EU did not.

I'm also seeing the shades of the "shoving it down our throats" *snicker* that pervades the homophobe crowd in this thread, which while kind of expected of the old Star Wars nerd demographic, is unwelcome to say the least.

Sidenote: If Thrawn comes to Rebels he better be voiced by Clancy Brown, at which point I might give it a chance.

How do you fined Aftermath refreashing? Looking through the pages I couldnt find any homophobic comments... Maybe the the Hetrophobes killed those posters and erased their posts?

The progressive bent of the new books is quite refreshing (being anvilicious in the approach not withstanding), but I think the rest of it overall was a blow to the idea that the Disneyverse would somehow avoid Sturgeon's Law in ways the EU did not.

I'm also seeing the shades of the "shoving it down our throats" *snicker* that pervades the homophobe crowd in this thread, which while kind of expected of the old Star Wars nerd demographic, is unwelcome to say the least.

Sidenote: If Thrawn comes to Rebels he better be voiced by Clancy Brown, at which point I might give it a chance.

Rebels already used Clancy Brown.

You know that voice actors can play more than one role, right?

I mean, Frank Welker alone voiced like half of Cybertron.

The professionals are, sure. But this is Clancy Brown. He is very, very recognizable. He does do a good amount of voice work, but he doesn't exactly hide that it's his voice.

And please, can we not quote BKL. I am rather happy with only seeing white bars. Especially since he seems to be posting worse than usual crap.

The official summery for the new Star Wars book Aftermath: Life Debt has been released and with it the first confirmation that the Grand Admiral rank/title still exists in the new canon with the recurring character Rae Sloane being listed as that rank. Those of you who read the first Aftermath book will recall that it ended with her talking with an unknown high ranking Imperial that commanded a great deal of fear and respect from other remaining Imperial leaders and so what do you think this will mean for current fan theories?

Two things.

1) Nothing has cancelled out the other 12-14 Grand Admirals existing.

2) They allready wrote Admiral Fishman as being the Grand Admiral of the REB Alliance.

Firstly: They were call erased in the wipe like so much of the old EU garbage as was explicitly stated by the owners if the IP. They are every bit as relevant to the current stories as the Infinities comics.

Secondly if you actually bothered to read the thread you would see that we already talked about Akbar and are specifically referring to the Imperial rank.

There was no wipe, Legends is secondary canon, old material not labled "Legends" is not non-canon, hence why the older games are in secondary noncanon limbo. I dont think it was ever decided they would be upgraded to kegends status.

I mostly saw people talking about how "great" Shattered Empire is. I wasnt going to read through all of that.

Some of us hated it because the writing was bad and the story was uninteresting.

...but not as bad or uninteresting as a lot of EU books were.

Having read pretty much every old EU book from the galactic civil war era on, and personally I'll take most if not all of them over aftermath. Not saying they were all amazing books, but aftermath was bad...

To make maters worse the author that made that booked said anyone going to social media to complane about SW is no longer a SW fan. He gleefully boasts about making a gay SW character, which added nothing to the story, and now his 2nd book will be about Sextuality in the Empire. Unless he lied that is the most stupid and unneeded story, story arch, and story theme you could have in SW. I could care less if he wrote it that the Empire was full lf nothing but hetrosextuals, Its something that at best should be a side note in a source book, at worst not *** ESSENTIAL! If his point during an interview reflexs what he will be putting in his novels, part of the REB Alliance causes is to fight for the rights of LGBT... I am pretty sure thats not thd main motivation in the creation of the Alliance.

I dont know what Disney is doing... but like after taking a quick glance through the new Marvel SW comics I swear they are trying to make Liea bi... Which is a weird character change and also Luke could be gay... If they want to make Gay or Bi SW characters they should just do it, and not like how the guy who wrote the novel we are talking about. They however shouldnt up and make crazy character changes like what we are seeing now.

I have not read any books from the old EU, and I still found the story in Aftermath quite boring and uninspired.

As I said, the whole series of events lead to basically something that could be described in one paragraph. The rest is just filler proper of a RPG session, more than a well constructed story.

The characters are either flat, unlikable or totally out of place.

And it feels much less Star Wars and much more our own world, with a Star Wars logo sticked on top. It feels to me almost like the writer didn't want to write about Star Wars, he wanted to write about something else, but they are making him writing a **** fantasy book. But he will write about whatever he wants and paint it with Star Wars colors.

I don't mind the female leads at all. It's almost refreshing. I only find the whole politically-correctism forced and overstated because Star Wars isn't our own world. Or at least isn't supposed to be. It's a galaxy where race, gender or sexuality supposedly don't matter. They are much more advanced than us in that respect and these themes are not even worth mentioning. They got over it probably like 30000 years ago. Other themes that Star Wars totally ignores are formal religions, political ideology, or even specism (remember that the Empire and the Emperor were supposed to be terribly xenophobic in the old EU, but since the prequels and on, that is not so anymore).

Then, the autor shoehorns race, gender and sexuality subjects into these characters, implying that these subjects outstand in a setting where they didn't have any importance to start with.

Why should I care that the imperial admiral is a black, lesbian, woman, and all characters and the narrator insist on that so often? She is the admiral of the imperial navy, geez. That should be enough to leave it clear that she is a character strong enough to reach that position. Then, why is she all the time questioning herself, wondering if the others in the room think little of her for being a woman? All of sudden women have a story of discrimination in Star Wars? Cannot a woman character be original enough not to be a cliché of a "woman doing a man's job", even in another galaxy?

This shows much of the author's own accepted prejudices, I think.

Also, why insisting so much on sexuality? We don't know if Luke is straight, gay, bi, or has a fetish for little green wrinkled old men. The thing is that it doesn't matter at all. We don't care. This is not the story of how Luke came out of the closet and how much internal anguish he went thru. This is the story of how Luke blew up a Death Star and redeemed his father. I don't deny the value of literature that deals with those subjects. I just think Star Wars isn't the proper setting to frame them.

Why so much insistence on underlining all the time that Sloane is lesbian, that the imperial agent character is gay, that the protagonist's aunts are lesbians, and that even there are a couple of homosexual bith alien neighbors living nearby?! It's so gratuitous! Why you tell me these things? It's like whenever they introduced a new character they would tell you whether these characters look at the paper after wiping their asses or not. Who cares!

Also, I cannot stand the character of the son. It's all the opposite that it should be. Stupid, whiny, spoiled, hateful, and the worst sin, conservative. A teenager who wants to stay working in a workshop, in a sh*tty planet, being bullied by a local mafia, instead of going out, fix the world, make things right, etc. It's against anything a youth would ever do! It's a 70 years old man mentality in a boy! I couldn't believe that character's motivations during the whole book. Much less even after his ridiculous twist.

The only good SW story I have seen thats new is SW:ep7 and Uprising. Everything else *** me off because its a slap in the face to the characters, like what they did to Vader in SW:Rebels, or in the case of the comics they are uber boring and can be thought of as nothing but a book of feats for the characters in them.

Besides making ghd characters not themselves, every droid is now a HK-47 knock off, which is lame and cheepens said droid character by taking away his uniqueness.

Aside from being loaded with hamfisted bigotry this whole post is a grammatical and spelling nightmare... Good lord where do I start with everything wrong here..

I'm truly sorry that the idea of Star Wars books featuring people who are different then you and like people who do not often get to see people like themselves in media frightens you to the point where you find that it takes away from the story.

Well you didn't make any counter points, you have to make those to win an argument. You didnt read my whole orignal post, your label of me has no merit.

Ps try typing with a thumb stick that gas a delayed responce, onlh then will your critiqing have any merit.