On top of that one central element of the character was that Thrawn was acting for the greater good, meaning he was supporting the empire for good reasons, reasons beyond the scope of the galactic civil war. In the EU it boiled sadly down to the Yuuzhan Vong, but there are plenty of more interesting threats in the unknown regions and Disney can develop anything for this, but the core of Thrawn is to use imperial power to establish order against very dangerous adversaries outside of the scope of the galactic civil war.

From Spectre of the Past onward, yes. Still, I've seen plenty of people insist this is a retcon of The Thrawn Trilogy, and a bad one, and the Thrawn was better when he was a conventional Imperial, albeit slightly kinder and more pragmatic than the average.

I don't agree with them - but it does sometimes seem like a rather widespread attitude.

Pls no good guy Thrawn, that's old EU at its worst.

@Grand Admiral vs Moff - I might be wrong, but isn't it apples vs oranges? In the US, who is higher in the chain of command, a governor or an admiral?

Pls no good guy Thrawn, that's old EU at its worst.

@Grand Admiral vs Moff - I might be wrong, but isn't it apples vs oranges? In the US, who is higher in the chain of command, a governor or an admiral?

As much as I liked Grand Admiral Thrawn as a character, he's more effective the less he's seen. He either wins all the time- which means our heroes lose all the time- or he loses- in which case he's not nearly as awesome.

I think he would likely be drawn into something else, like he begins to destroy the Rebels and the Emperor no longer seeing them as a real threat puts him on some kind of new secret project. He stays awesome and the downfall of Palpatine is reinforced as lying in his arrogance.

I also like Thrawn coming as it reinforces the ideas of adding the avenger, gunboat and missile boat. I like the idea of adding elite pilot skills like "The Emperor's Hand" and other call backs to Tie Fighter.

Pls no good guy Thrawn, that's old EU at its worst.

@Grand Admiral vs Moff - I might be wrong, but isn't it apples vs oranges? In the US, who is higher in the chain of command, a governor or an admiral?

ummm a governor is in charge of a state. Admiral in charge of fleet.

Yes that's the point. The ranks don't have an equivalency because they're not in the same structure. Fluff-wise, Moffs are governors, Admirals are... well, admirals. The fact that some of the Moffs were on military projects doesn't change that.

(I suspect that you'd find if you looked closely enough that there is a document indicating rank equivalency for most high level governmental positions so that you know who can give orders to who if martial law is declared, just by the by)

On top of that one central element of the character was that Thrawn was acting for the greater good, meaning he was supporting the empire for good reasons, reasons beyond the scope of the galactic civil war. In the EU it boiled sadly down to the Yuuzhan Vong, but there are plenty of more interesting threats in the unknown regions and Disney can develop anything for this, but the core of Thrawn is to use imperial power to establish order against very dangerous adversaries outside of the scope of the galactic civil war.

From Spectre of the Past onward, yes. Still, I've seen plenty of people insist this is a retcon of The Thrawn Trilogy, and a bad one, and the Thrawn was better when he was a conventional Imperial, albeit slightly kinder and more pragmatic than the average.

I don't agree with them - but it does sometimes seem like a rather widespread attitude.

It very much was a shift in Zahn's writing of Thrawn. Along with Mara Jade.

Pls no good guy Thrawn, that's old EU at its worst.

@Grand Admiral vs Moff - I might be wrong, but isn't it apples vs oranges? In the US, who is higher in the chain of command, a governor or an admiral?

ummm a governor is in charge of a state. Admiral in charge of fleet.

Yes that's the point. The ranks don't have an equivalency because they're not in the same structure. Fluff-wise, Moffs are governors, Admirals are... well, admirals. The fact that some of the Moffs were on military projects doesn't change that.

(I suspect that you'd find if you looked closely enough that there is a document indicating rank equivalency for most high level governmental positions so that you know who can give orders to who if martial law is declared, just by the by)

Its not Thrawn if Timothy Zahn does not write him.

Also, the original title for Heir to the Empire was 'Warlord'. Thrawn was/is supposed to be an utterly ruthless leader.

No one should be surprised that Thrawn will be making a come back. All the naysayers declared that Disney just deleted all the old EU, but they didn't. If you read what they said, they said that there are legends of them out there and you can consider those stories real...until they over write them. That means that they are going to pluck the best from the EU and most likely re-write it all to fit in with the current canon. Hopefully do a better job of it, too. Oh, details of what happened in EU books won't be the same, but the characters themselves will be there.

No one should be surprised that Thrawn will be making a come back. All the naysayers declared that Disney just deleted all the old EU, but they didn't. If you read what they said, they said that there are legends of them out there and you can consider those stories real...until they over write them. That means that they are going to pluck the best from the EU and most likely re-write it all to fit in with the current canon. Hopefully do a better job of it, too. Oh, details of what happened in EU books won't be the same, but the characters themselves will be there.

They basically want to double dip. They have all this source material that they can pull from and then re-tell it in a way more fit for movies (which make more money than print media.... for now). So they said ok lets call these "legends" and say they are not canon but still sell them. SIMULTANEOUSLY we then can hire writers and directors that aren't necessarily great on the creative end but great at creating spectacles out of already established plot lines and archetypes.

Pls no good guy Thrawn, that's old EU at its worst.

@Grand Admiral vs Moff - I might be wrong, but isn't it apples vs oranges? In the US, who is higher in the chain of command, a governor or an admiral?

What do you mean by good guy? Thrawn is by no means a good guy and the threats in the unknown regions are mentioned in the original trilogy as well. Thrawn is an ice cold, calculating murderer. Who murders for the benefit of a greater good. That does not make him a good guy in even the remotest sense of good. It might make him a relatable person, because we run our militaries very often on the same principles and actually try to promote those guys. But good? Nah.

Besides, it not only Thrawn, but Palpatine and Vader as well. None of them considers himself evil.

It very much was a shift in Zahn's writing of Thrawn. Along with Mara Jade.

Long before people considered Thrawn as the ruthless, but brilliant leader. Heck, I actually do not even read the later EU stuff because it became ridiculous bad, but the original Thrawn trilogy used the whole unknown region threat as reasoning why the emperor send his best strategist and tactician back into the unknown regions. Together with the reason why he even wanted that blue skinned, red-eyed Alien as his Grand Admiral.

The whole character of Thrawn follows the premise that cooperative behavior is advantageous and Zahn build a ruthless, but brilliant warlord around the concept. Wasting your troops is a waste of resources that was always the motivation for Thrawn to treat his troops well. There is no good nor evil Thrawn, there is just this brilliant individual with personal strengths and weaknesses and a good dash marry sue. Still one of the best EU characters.

Thrawn cares.

Thrawn is great.

Thrawn is mighty.

Thrawn is good and noble.

Thrawn will bring order and justice.

Thrawn will make the galaxy a harbor of peace.

It very much was a shift in Zahn's writing of Thrawn. Along with Mara Jade.

Long before people considered Thrawn as the ruthless, but brilliant leader. Heck, I actually do not even read the later EU stuff because it became ridiculous bad, but the original Thrawn trilogy used the whole unknown region threat as reasoning why the emperor send his best strategist and tactician back into the unknown regions. Together with the reason why he even wanted that blue skinned, red-eyed Alien as his Grand Admiral.

The whole character of Thrawn follows the premise that cooperative behavior is advantageous and Zahn build a ruthless, but brilliant warlord around the concept. Wasting your troops is a waste of resources that was always the motivation for Thrawn to treat his troops well. There is no good nor evil Thrawn, there is just this brilliant individual with personal strengths and weaknesses and a good dash marry sue. Still one of the best EU characters.

If you only take the HtE trilogy, sure. But the more Zahn wrote Thrawn, the more he wrote him to be right. All the time.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

"Good" is highly debatable. It wasn't a terrible story, but it had basically nothing to draw my interest being all brand new characters (wedge doesn't really count since he's barely in the book) on a random out-of-the-way planet of no previous importance, and I didn't find the writing itself to be particularly good. I was rather unimpressed with the book as a whole. Some of the other new canon (and post-RotJ) books, such as Lost Stars, were SO much better.

As for the rest, I WOULD be perfectly happy if they used the sequels (or rebels, or any other venue) to reintroduce thrawn.

Aftermath had some nice touches. Also?

Mr. Bones. Mr. Bones is awesome.

But as a whole, no, it's a pretty average read. I mostly stuck with it for the tidbits happening around the galaxy and to see what murderous shenanigans Mr. Bones would get into next.

Which is higher ranked. Grand moff or grand admiral?

Moff is a political title and were sector governors with military and civil powers.

Admiral is part of the Galactic Navy. Don't know if they fall under sector powers or report straight to Coruscant.

No one should be surprised that Thrawn will be making a come back. All the naysayers declared that Disney just deleted all the old EU, but they didn't. If you read what they said, they said that there are legends of them out there and you can consider those stories real...until they over write them. That means that they are going to pluck the best from the EU and most likely re-write it all to fit in with the current canon. Hopefully do a better job of it, too. Oh, details of what happened in EU books won't be the same, but the characters themselves will be there.

They basically want to double dip. They have all this source material that they can pull from and then re-tell it in a way more fit for movies (which make more money than print media.... for now). So they said ok lets call these "legends" and say they are not canon but still sell them. SIMULTANEOUSLY we then can hire writers and directors that aren't necessarily great on the creative end but great at creating spectacles out of already established plot lines and archetypes.

Not just movies, though. Thrawn looks to enter into the Rebels TV show. Also, there are the comics and novels.

I love this concept because Disney can grab all the cool bits of the EU and jettison all the crap. Besides the concepts of characters and plots, I would be happy with flushing a lot of it.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

"Good" is highly debatable. It wasn't a terrible story, but it had basically nothing to draw my interest being all brand new characters (wedge doesn't really count since he's barely in the book) on a random out-of-the-way planet of no previous importance, and I didn't find the writing itself to be particularly good. I was rather unimpressed with the book as a whole. Some of the other new canon (and post-RotJ) books, such as Lost Stars, were SO much better.

As for the rest, I WOULD be perfectly happy if they used the sequels (or rebels, or any other venue) to reintroduce thrawn.

Aftermath had some nice touches. Also?

Mr. Bones. Mr. Bones is awesome.

But as a whole, no, it's a pretty average read. I mostly stuck with it for the tidbits happening around the galaxy and to see what murderous shenanigans Mr. Bones would get into next.

Yah, it had bits and pieces that were fun, and it introduced Snaps, it just wans't that good of a book overall IMO.

Aftermath was good. This'd be a really cool way to reintroduce Thrawn into the "canon"

"Good" is highly debatable. It wasn't a terrible story, but it had basically nothing to draw my interest being all brand new characters (wedge doesn't really count since he's barely in the book) on a random out-of-the-way planet of no previous importance, and I didn't find the writing itself to be particularly good. I was rather unimpressed with the book as a whole. Some of the other new canon (and post-RotJ) books, such as Lost Stars, were SO much better.

As for the rest, I WOULD be perfectly happy if they used the sequels (or rebels, or any other venue) to reintroduce thrawn.

Aftermath had some nice touches. Also?

Mr. Bones. Mr. Bones is awesome.

But as a whole, no, it's a pretty average read. I mostly stuck with it for the tidbits happening around the galaxy and to see what murderous shenanigans Mr. Bones would get into next.

Yah, it had bits and pieces that were fun, and it introduced Snaps, it just wans't that good of a book overall IMO.

Its a matter of opinion, for some its the best book released under the new canon but that's neither here nor there. Although I would like to see Norra as a Y-wing pilot in game.

Its a matter of opinion, for some its the best book released under the new canon but that's neither here nor there. Although I would like to see Norra as a Y-wing pilot in game.

Thats why I said "IMO". And earlier said it's debatable. I know some people like it. I just know a whole bunch of people that weren't impressed. I agree on Norra though.

Which is higher ranked. Grand moff or grand admiral?

Moff is a political title and were sector governors with military and civil powers.

Admiral is part of the Galactic Navy. Don't know if they fall under sector powers or report straight to Coruscant.

Well in current canon the Grand Moff position was created specifically for Tarkin and effectively put him above anyone who wasn't under orders directly from Palpatine. What the position ment after Tarkin's death or even if there were any other Grand Moffs appointed before Palpatine died is unclear.

Does Disney have the rights to Grand Admiral Thrawn? Has anyone interviewed Timothy Zahn and asked him if he would let Disney use his character?

Does Disney have the rights to Grand Admiral Thrawn? Has anyone interviewed Timothy Zahn and asked him if he would let Disney use his character?

Zahn owns 0% of Thrawn or Mara. Everything he created belongs to LFL, thus Disney.

I hope that Disney experiences exactly the same critical reviews it did for Aftermath if they willfully produce trash again. Between aftermath and TFA I have all of zero interest in the rebranding.

I hope that Disney experiences exactly the same critical reviews it did for Aftermath if they willfully produce trash again. Between aftermath and TFA I have all of zero interest in the rebranding.

I avidly ordered and read Aftermath, expecting it the book which would tie the old trilogy and the new movies together. That is what they marketed.

It was not that at all.

Aftermath can be summarized as:

- Someone at LFL or Disney writes down in a paper "The Empire's remaining leaders gather in a planet to talk after Palpatine's death. Make this a book."

- Someone else at LFL or Disney buys FFG's Age of Rebellion pen and paper RPG game and recruits 4 other people to create cliché but random characters, smash them together in a group, and move them around that line of text above, getting wrong a lot of things, (like why all the remaining leaders of the Empire, an empire that encompasses hundred of thousand worlds, is just a fistful of weirdos?).

- Someone else pours a bucket of politically correct paint all over the transcript of that RPG sessions. Then someone else pours another one. And then another one.

- Finally, someone else reads the whole of it and thinks that is boring and uninteresting for Star Wars fans, and proposes to spice it up with random, unnecessary, 100% unrelated scenes in the style of the "Meanwhile, in Russia..." memes, whose only purpose is to have short cameos of known Star Wars characters.

- Then Chuck Wendig re-writes it all in present tense.