2. The purpose of having a military grade firearm is being able to fight Soldiers, either foreign or domestic, with a comparable weapon system. It is every Military Aged Male's responsibility to learn how to shoot a rifle similar to the one that I use in the Army, even if they choose not to serve in the military

Yup, those primary schools are a real breeding ground of enemy soliders, both foriegn and domestic.

I mean seriously, what is it with (some) Americans thinking that Red Dawn js a factual representation of their ability to fight a fully trained and equipped military.

The need to own a gun is a complete nonsense. The UK has managed fine without them thanks.

OP: I'm surprised people are like that. I know some people get very worked up over things like COD, and you even get people thinking Harry Potter and D&D promote witchcraft and devil worship - but these are tiny spaceship figures.

Some people just look for a reason to get upset I guess.

Americans are raised learning that their country was established by militiamen beating off one of the best armies in the world.

The UK does fine because it's too boring and rainy there for criminals to get motivated. You also have beef eaters on every corner who saunter over to any commotion mumbling "Wot's all this then" while CCTV records everything.

I love how he says that a people cannot fight off a trained military force when history shows that they typically do so quite effectively. Revolutionary War? Vietnam? Do they not teach you about these events in school in the UK?

I'm not necessarily for people owning assault rifles and I do not own a gun myself, but I am an American (in Texas no less!) and do think the 2nd Amendment is one of the most important, and being careful to protect it is worthwhile.

This just sounds so delusional.

All of these "preppers" who think some assault rifles and canned beans in their homes are gonna let them resist a modern day military.....LOL

Hell, one armored tank could overrun an entire town of citizens armed with military-armed firearms, if it wanted to. Let alone one long-range missile strike or drone strike, conducted from thousands of miles away, haha. IF a modern military wanted to wipe you out, they could easily do it. Fortunately for humanity, that is never something that is going to happen outside of preppers' most delusional and paranoid fear-fantasies. And no, the reason the government does not and will not start drone-striking its own people has nothing to do with them being afraid of someone's basement full of AR-15s.

Don't let people justify their own gun-fetishism with some BS fantasy that they are keeping all of us safe from some oppressive tyrannical regime that is only held back from absolutely totalitarian genodice by fear of Jebidiah Neckbeard's gun collection. Jeez....

You don't need to be afraid of a basement collection of Assault Rifles but you do need to be afraid if Jim Bob knows where you're main power conduits are or internet hubs. If the invading force is trying to occupy the country then they are going to need to keep everything running as smoothly as possible, if some ******* with wire cutters performed the right cut after a week or so then the regular citizenry will be rioting and the invading forces have a couple hundred thousand per city problems to worry about.

Well, other than assuming that people will be rioting (prepper mentality always assumes the worst of humanity in absence of society, even though in natural disasters like Katrina and Hurricane Sandy or Flint Water Crisis we see many more examples of people coming together to cooperate collectively in times of need), this is an argument for owning wire cutters. Not basements full of military-grade firepower.

So, I think you're saying that modern times and contexts suggest we change the Second Amendment from "right to bear arms" to "right to bear tools." I am okay with this.

Yeah, I've always wonderd why the US doesn't just update the constitution to reflect the times. I think ours has been updated a dozen times in the last 100 years. It's a set of laws, not something to get sentimental about.

I'd raise your flame shields.

There was a clone post here, it's gone now.

Yeah, I've always wonderd why the US doesn't just update the constitution to reflect the times. I think ours has been updated a dozen times in the last 100 years. It's a set of laws, not something to get sentimental about.

I'd raise your flame shields.

Oh, not necessarily talking about the 2nd amendment here, but you've got to admit it's clunky to say the least. I mean, an amendment to prohibit alcohol and then an amendment to cancel out that amendment? How many amendments to specify who is eligible to vote? Just update the relevant article.

Yeah, I've always wonderd why the US doesn't just update the constitution to reflect the times. I think ours has been updated a dozen times in the last 100 years. It's a set of laws, not something to get sentimental about.

I'd raise your flame shields.

Oh, not necessarily talking about the 2nd amendment here, but you've got to admit it's clunky to say the least. I mean, an amendment to prohibit alcohol and then an amendment to cancel out that amendment? How many amendments to specify who is eligible to vote? Just update the relevant article.

Obviously, I cannot argue with that. I would be silly to. I do think that a refinement/adjustment may be in order given the state of the country and the problems therein. I think we have to do something. What that something is is another matter entirely.

I am NOT in favor of repealing it/destroying it, and do think the principle of the 2nd Amendment is still as true today as it was 200 years ago, even with the advancements in technology. Just like any of the other rights granted at that time.

Americans are raised learning that their country was established by militiamen beating off one of the best armies in the world.

With just the teensiest help of the economic and military superpowers France, Spain and the Netherlands. It's not as if the colonies had the undivided attention of the British forces.

And they are lucky they didn't but that's not how it's taught for the most part. Even in 1812 divided attentions prevented the Americans from getting stomped (Napoleon was a jerk).

2. The purpose of having a military grade firearm is being able to fight Soldiers, either foreign or domestic, with a comparable weapon system. It is every Military Aged Male's responsibility to learn how to shoot a rifle similar to the one that I use in the Army, even if they choose not to serve in the military

Yup, those primary schools are a real breeding ground of enemy soliders, both foriegn and domestic.

I mean seriously, what is it with (some) Americans thinking that Red Dawn js a factual representation of their ability to fight a fully trained and equipped military.

The need to own a gun is a complete nonsense. The UK has managed fine without them thanks.

OP: I'm surprised people are like that. I know some people get very worked up over things like COD, and you even get people thinking Harry Potter and D&D promote witchcraft and devil worship - but these are tiny spaceship figures.

Some people just look for a reason to get upset I guess.

Americans are raised learning that their country was established by militiamen beating off one of the best armies in the world.

The UK does fine because it's too boring and rainy there for criminals to get motivated. You also have beef eaters on every corner who saunter over to any commotion mumbling "Wot's all this then" while CCTV records everything.

I love how he says that a people cannot fight off a trained military force when history shows that they typically do so quite effectively. Revolutionary War? Vietnam? Do they not teach you about these events in school in the UK?

I'm not necessarily for people owning assault rifles and I do not own a gun myself, but I am an American (in Texas no less!) and do think the 2nd Amendment is one of the most important, and being careful to protect it is worthwhile.

This just sounds so delusional.

All of these "preppers" who think some assault rifles and canned beans in their homes are gonna let them resist a modern day military.....LOL

Hell, one armored tank could overrun an entire town of citizens armed with military-armed firearms, if it wanted to. Let alone one long-range missile strike or drone strike, conducted from thousands of miles away, haha. IF a modern military wanted to wipe you out, they could easily do it. Fortunately for humanity, that is never something that is going to happen outside of preppers' most delusional and paranoid fear-fantasies. And no, the reason the government does not and will not start drone-striking its own people has nothing to do with them being afraid of someone's basement full of AR-15s.

Don't let people justify their own gun-fetishism with some BS fantasy that they are keeping all of us safe from some oppressive tyrannical regime that is only held back from absolutely totalitarian genodice by fear of Jebidiah Neckbeard's gun collection. Jeez....

You don't need to be afraid of a basement collection of Assault Rifles but you do need to be afraid if Jim Bob knows where you're main power conduits are or internet hubs. If the invading force is trying to occupy the country then they are going to need to keep everything running as smoothly as possible, if some ******* with wire cutters performed the right cut after a week or so then the regular citizenry will be rioting and the invading forces have a couple hundred thousand per city problems to worry about.

Well, other than assuming that people will be rioting (prepper mentality always assumes the worst of humanity in absence of society, even though in natural disasters like Katrina and Hurricane Sandy or Flint Water Crisis we see many more examples of people coming together to cooperate collectively in times of need), this is an argument for owning wire cutters. Not basements full of military-grade firepower.

So, I think you're saying that modern times and contexts suggest we change the Second Amendment from "right to bear arms" to "right to bear tools." I am okay with this.

Katrina and Flint had the benefit of an entire nation working to help the people. American infrastructure is outdated and reliant a handful of nodes. For the most part it's impossible to detect issues other than to go wire by wire. If one or two major cities on the eastern seaboard lost power for a week then tensions would rise rapidly. Combine that with an occupying force and you would have riots. It's during this period you have to be afraid of Jim Bob because he shows up to town and starts handing out his assault rifles to get the party really going.

2. The purpose of having a military grade firearm is being able to fight Soldiers, either foreign or domestic, with a comparable weapon system. It is every Military Aged Male's responsibility to learn how to shoot a rifle similar to the one that I use in the Army, even if they choose not to serve in the military

Yup, those primary schools are a real breeding ground of enemy soliders, both foriegn and domestic.

I mean seriously, what is it with (some) Americans thinking that Red Dawn js a factual representation of their ability to fight a fully trained and equipped military.

The need to own a gun is a complete nonsense. The UK has managed fine without them thanks.

OP: I'm surprised people are like that. I know some people get very worked up over things like COD, and you even get people thinking Harry Potter and D&D promote witchcraft and devil worship - but these are tiny spaceship figures.

Some people just look for a reason to get upset I guess.

Americans are raised learning that their country was established by militiamen beating off one of the best armies in the world.

The UK does fine because it's too boring and rainy there for criminals to get motivated. You also have beef eaters on every corner who saunter over to any commotion mumbling "Wot's all this then" while CCTV records everything.

I love how he says that a people cannot fight off a trained military force when history shows that they typically do so quite effectively. Revolutionary War? Vietnam? Do they not teach you about these events in school in the UK?

I'm not necessarily for people owning assault rifles and I do not own a gun myself, but I am an American (in Texas no less!) and do think the 2nd Amendment is one of the most important, and being careful to protect it is worthwhile.

This just sounds so delusional.

All of these "preppers" who think some assault rifles and canned beans in their homes are gonna let them resist a modern day military.....LOL

Hell, one armored tank could overrun an entire town of citizens armed with military-armed firearms, if it wanted to. Let alone one long-range missile strike or drone strike, conducted from thousands of miles away, haha. IF a modern military wanted to wipe you out, they could easily do it. Fortunately for humanity, that is never something that is going to happen outside of preppers' most delusional and paranoid fear-fantasies. And no, the reason the government does not and will not start drone-striking its own people has nothing to do with them being afraid of someone's basement full of AR-15s.

Don't let people justify their own gun-fetishism with some BS fantasy that they are keeping all of us safe from some oppressive tyrannical regime that is only held back from absolutely totalitarian genodice by fear of Jebidiah Neckbeard's gun collection. Jeez....

You don't need to be afraid of a basement collection of Assault Rifles but you do need to be afraid if Jim Bob knows where you're main power conduits are or internet hubs. If the invading force is trying to occupy the country then they are going to need to keep everything running as smoothly as possible, if some ******* with wire cutters performed the right cut after a week or so then the regular citizenry will be rioting and the invading forces have a couple hundred thousand per city problems to worry about.

Well, other than assuming that people will be rioting (prepper mentality always assumes the worst of humanity in absence of society, even though in natural disasters like Katrina and Hurricane Sandy or Flint Water Crisis we see many more examples of people coming together to cooperate collectively in times of need), this is an argument for owning wire cutters. Not basements full of military-grade firepower.

So, I think you're saying that modern times and contexts suggest we change the Second Amendment from "right to bear arms" to "right to bear tools." I am okay with this.

Katrina and Flint had the benefit of an entire nation working to help the people. American infrastructure is outdated and reliant a handful of nodes. For the most part it's impossible to detect issues other than to go wire by wire. If one or two major cities on the eastern seaboard lost power for a week then tensions would rise rapidly. Combine that with an occupying force and you would have riots. It's during this period you have to be afraid of Jim Bob because he shows up to town and starts handing out his assault rifles to get the party really going.

Jim Bob can't legally own "assault rifles". He can own semi-automatic rifles legally. Politicians like Obama know there is a difference and that's why they say "military style" firearms when they talk of trampling our rights.

Unsurprisingly no they don't teach merican history in Britain, you see we have thousands of years of our own history to cover.

Besides as subjects of the crown it was a civil war not a revolutionary war and the French won it for you so I wouldn't be too proud.

As for Vietnam we had sod all to do with that so why would we cover it?

How can the UK be so salty after 240 years but still have such bland food?

An independent nation can't have a civil war with another nation.

UK probably won't exist in 20 years, it is going to be part of the European caliphate at the rate you all are going. But you guys are used to being ruled by foreign born invaders, so it shouldn't be hard to adapt.

Our primary and college education includes the history of failed empires like Rome and the "United" Kingdom. It's important to know history so you don't repeat the same mistakes.

A prime example of why I love Boba Fett.

One of the few guys who gets to talk back to Vader.

And he shows us why having four arms can be a bad thing:

Am I the only one who noticed that it looks like that alien has 5 arms?

UK probably won't exist in 20 years, it is going to be part of the European caliphate at the rate you all are going. But you guys are used to being ruled by foreign born invaders, so it shouldn't be hard to adapt.

At the current rate it's more likely the UK is out by the end of the year, and used to being ruled by foreign invaders? William the Conqueror is about a 1000 years ago.

Our primary and college education includes the history of failed empires like Rome and the "United" Kingdom. It's important to know history so you don't repeat the same mistakes.

Rome, such a failed empire. We are closer to the end of the Eastern Empire than the end of the Eastern Empire is to the start. The entire span of US independence is a drop in the bucket compared to how long the eternal city dominated the world. .

Unsurprisingly no they don't teach merican history in Britain, you see we have thousands of years of our own history to cover.

Besides as subjects of the crown it was a civil war not a revolutionary war and the French won it for you so I wouldn't be too proud.

As for Vietnam we had sod all to do with that so why would we cover it?

How can the UK be so salty after 240 years but still have such bland food?

An independent nation can't have a civil war with another nation.

UK probably won't exist in 20 years, it is going to be part of the European caliphate at the rate you all are going. But you guys are used to being ruled by foreign born invaders, so it shouldn't be hard to adapt.

Our primary and college education includes the history of failed empires like Rome and the "United" Kingdom. It's important to know history so you don't repeat the same mistakes.

Why so bitter about the UK? They are the USA's closest ally and we share a common history. I can bear no ill will towards a nation that brought the world Fawlty Towers.

2. The purpose of having a military grade firearm is being able to fight Soldiers, either foreign or domestic, with a comparable weapon system. It is every Military Aged Male's responsibility to learn how to shoot a rifle similar to the one that I use in the Army, even if they choose not to serve in the military

Yup, those primary schools are a real breeding ground of enemy soliders, both foriegn and domestic.

I mean seriously, what is it with (some) Americans thinking that Red Dawn js a factual representation of their ability to fight a fully trained and equipped military.

The need to own a gun is a complete nonsense. The UK has managed fine without them thanks.

OP: I'm surprised people are like that. I know some people get very worked up over things like COD, and you even get people thinking Harry Potter and D&D promote witchcraft and devil worship - but these are tiny spaceship figures.

Some people just look for a reason to get upset I guess.

Americans are raised learning that their country was established by militiamen beating off one of the best armies in the world.

The UK does fine because it's too boring and rainy there for criminals to get motivated. You also have beef eaters on every corner who saunter over to any commotion mumbling "Wot's all this then" while CCTV records everything.

I love how he says that a people cannot fight off a trained military force when history shows that they typically do so quite effectively. Revolutionary War? Vietnam? Do they not teach you about these events in school in the UK?

I'm not necessarily for people owning assault rifles and I do not own a gun myself, but I am an American (in Texas no less!) and do think the 2nd Amendment is one of the most important, and being careful to protect it is worthwhile.

This just sounds so delusional.

All of these "preppers" who think some assault rifles and canned beans in their homes are gonna let them resist a modern day military.....LOL

Hell, one armored tank could overrun an entire town of citizens armed with military-armed firearms, if it wanted to. Let alone one long-range missile strike or drone strike, conducted from thousands of miles away, haha. IF a modern military wanted to wipe you out, they could easily do it. Fortunately for humanity, that is never something that is going to happen outside of preppers' most delusional and paranoid fear-fantasies. And no, the reason the government does not and will not start drone-striking its own people has nothing to do with them being afraid of someone's basement full of AR-15s.

Don't let people justify their own gun-fetishism with some BS fantasy that they are keeping all of us safe from some oppressive tyrannical regime that is only held back from absolutely totalitarian genodice by fear of Jebidiah Neckbeard's gun collection. Jeez....

You don't need to be afraid of a basement collection of Assault Rifles but you do need to be afraid if Jim Bob knows where you're main power conduits are or internet hubs. If the invading force is trying to occupy the country then they are going to need to keep everything running as smoothly as possible, if some ******* with wire cutters performed the right cut after a week or so then the regular citizenry will be rioting and the invading forces have a couple hundred thousand per city problems to worry about.

Well, other than assuming that people will be rioting (prepper mentality always assumes the worst of humanity in absence of society, even though in natural disasters like Katrina and Hurricane Sandy or Flint Water Crisis we see many more examples of people coming together to cooperate collectively in times of need), this is an argument for owning wire cutters. Not basements full of military-grade firepower.

So, I think you're saying that modern times and contexts suggest we change the Second Amendment from "right to bear arms" to "right to bear tools." I am okay with this.

Katrina and Flint had the benefit of an entire nation working to help the people. American infrastructure is outdated and reliant a handful of nodes. For the most part it's impossible to detect issues other than to go wire by wire. If one or two major cities on the eastern seaboard lost power for a week then tensions would rise rapidly. Combine that with an occupying force and you would have riots. It's during this period you have to be afraid of Jim Bob because he shows up to town and starts handing out his assault rifles to get the party really going.

Jim Bob can't legally own "assault rifles". He can own semi-automatic rifles legally. Politicians like Obama know there is a difference and that's why they say "military style" firearms when they talk of trampling our rights.

Don't go polluting my fantasy scenarios with details.

As for Vietnam we had sod all to do with that so why would we cover it?

America has nothing to do with Catherine of Aragon, but I know about her.

Yes but did you learn that in history class?

I know alot about merican history but I learnt it from the telly not in high school.

Admittedly, I had an EXCEPTIONAL history teacher in HS. I still keep in touch with him, 14 years after graduation.

When Jack Chick makes an X-wing tract, you'll know you've arrived.

Implying Chick Tracts are not life lesson designed to improve humanities condishuns.

Are you kidding, right now? I'm gonna tell myself this is you kidding, right now.

I love when the bible reloaded does chick tracts and gets first stars in, the amazing atheist is always good fun.

Yup, those primary schools are a real breeding ground of enemy soldiers, both foreign and domestic.

Well we don't really have primary school here, we have high school, and most people old enough to enter the military are out of high school or nearly so.

Way to miss the point. My implication was that the only people that ever seem to be shot in America by civilians are elementary school children and their teachers. I think an armed insurgency is way down the list of things likely to happen - I certainly think a massacre of innocents is far more likely.

UK probably won't exist in 20 years, it is going to be part of the European caliphate at the rate you all are going. But you guys are used to being ruled by foreign born invaders, so it shouldn't be hard to adapt.

Trump fan are we? The ignorance of some people never ceases to amaze me. The idea that Britain (or any other European Country) is somehow going to be some great caliphate ruled by ISIS is laughable.

That 1.6% of the population that's muslim will take over any day now didn't you hear?

Personally I suspect the local taxi firm I use on a regular basis is a major Isis cell, they are too friendly one of them even talked to me about Nintendo...clearly plotting something.

It's such paranoid nonsense, yes there are bad people in that group but there are bad people in every group you don't judge people by the worst examples.

It ends up a silly case of thinking people can't do something, without becoming it. Kids can't play a wargame without loving war. People can't seemingly play a violent game without becoming violent. They can't use mock guns fashioned as real guns for air soft without then getting real guns to shoot people for real.

Now, what is this you say to me " But Angel, to win war, you have to become war. " Well that is well and good for Rambo, however, i say this, bullhockey. Yeah, I dropped it, get over it people.

You can do something as a game, or a sport, or a past time, and not become that. I know I'm taking a strange stance that most of us are able to control ourselves and not become blood thirsty monster men/women even based on playing a violent game/videogame/sport/hobby, etc, etc.

At some level you need to take account of yourself, if you can't you have more problems to address. The game or whatever it is won't lead you to evil, and they aren't evil in themselves. If you can't distinguish between reality and fantasy and the fantasy leads to thinking the war game means war is good, or replica guns, mean shooting people with real guns is good, the game didn't make them like that, they simply have problems and really should be watched, dealt with, or kept from having things to hurt themselves or others.

Namely, it is the easy path to blame the game, the movie, the song, the toy, etc, for all the bad, but if you'll do bad, that is already there, somehow great evils existed long before most of these things ever came to be, and will do so well after they are gone.

Long answer, but it basically sums up to this, people are more then just a past time or hobby, it won't derange them, some people just have fun, or even use it as a venting ( Such as I always play the bad guys, but I'm one of the nicest people you'd want to meet, good to act bad in a game however ). It is completely safe, completely normal and unless you have a character defect, or mental disorder, what you do won't turn you into something you aren't.

So, no, none of that around here, and if it was I'd say what I just did.

Yes, I mean any of them because they have ALL forgotten what inalienable rights are.

Such utter nonsense. .

We'd be better off if the 2nd amendment was actually like this:

People, this entire thread is this:

That 1.6% of the population that's muslim will take over any day now didn't you hear?

Personally I suspect the local taxi firm I use on a regular basis is a major Isis cell, they are too friendly one of them even talked to me about Nintendo...clearly plotting something.

It's such paranoid nonsense, yes there are bad people in that group but there are bad people in every group you don't judge people by the worst examples.

Such nonsense

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sharia-law-alive-well-uk-6957168

such nonsense

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-rotherham-city-that-covered-up-muslim-****-gang-activity-steps-up-police-patrols-against-islamophobia

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

such nonsense

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-cops-arrest-man-for-offensive-comment-about-muslim-migrants

such nonsense, taxi drivers are so nice...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/15/five-people-arrested-in-west-midlands-uk-over-planning-terrorist-acts

I'm just whacked out of the gourd.

These parents trying to save their children are clearly racists.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/239615/uk-police-arrested-parents-trying-stop-muslims-daniel-greenfield

^ more nice taxi drivers.

Tolerance is so beautiful. Too bad the UK couldn't keep out that meanie Trump, they should only allow peace activists like this guy:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/633059/muslim-preacher-husbands-should-hit-wives-tour-uk-universities

Yeah I stopped reading as soon as you used the mirror as a credible source, tabloid garbage that uses sensationalism to sell papers.

2. The purpose of having a military grade firearm is being able to fight Soldiers, either foreign or domestic, with a comparable weapon system. It is every Military Aged Male's responsibility to learn how to shoot a rifle similar to the one that I use in the Army, even if they choose not to serve in the military

Yup, those primary schools are a real breeding ground of enemy soliders, both foriegn and domestic.

I mean seriously, what is it with (some) Americans thinking that Red Dawn js a factual representation of their ability to fight a fully trained and equipped military.

The need to own a gun is a complete nonsense. The UK has managed fine without them thanks.

OP: I'm surprised people are like that. I know some people get very worked up over things like COD, and you even get people thinking Harry Potter and D&D promote witchcraft and devil worship - but these are tiny spaceship figures.

Some people just look for a reason to get upset I guess.

The Insurgents I fought against in Iraq and Afghanistan were mostly armed with older Kalashnikovs and Enfields as well as home made explosives. Don't think for a second that technology trumps the will to fight off foreign invaders with whatever means necessary. Red Dawn is actually a fair representation of an insurgency that is well organized (granted it is glamorized by Hollywood). I'm not going to lecture any further on why the rights in my country are necessary when it has no effect on yours. Additionally explaining real warfare is a bit too heavy for these forums I think.

An entertaining read, this thread (although scrolling through all the quotes gets tedious) but I'm reminded of a quote (from the curiously aptly titled movie "Wargames"): Strange game. The only winning move is not to play.