OMG I had a D20 D&D game like that, we have one guy in my current group who is just too dumb to live.

Hide behind a mound of dead steves...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ohk5Swy-04

No one here would have call X-Wing a wargame, the whole term is bad marketing in the first place and I would avoid it like the plague in the first place because of all the really, really bad stereotypes attached to it. Tabletop, Miniature game, just X-Wing.

No need to drag yourself into the smelly nerd corner with terms that got burned by others. And I am not a native speaker, but isn't a war game a military exercise as well? Isn't it a little preposterous to call our little gaming hobby the same as the real thing which uses sometimes thousands of soldiers, tanks, aircraft, and whole lot of either real military equipment? And with this connotation in mind, do we not give people who have no idea about our hobby some odd angle of attack when calling tabletop and miniature gaming "war games". Geometry wars would be a more correct description of X-Wing, try to attack this hippies! ;-)

Table top "War Games" have been played for hundreds of years if not longer. The term is not just applicable to full sized military exercises. Sometimes referred to as 'sand tables' they were used to develop plans for an attack, usually on static emplacements.

Extremists really don't need any help when it comes to pushing their agenda. Once they get riled up they will find someone to support them and in some cases make-up data supporting their position. At times reality and truth take the backseat to their goals.

Nope. Nothing against Soccer or Hunting either. Guns maybe, but not hunting.

I think a "'MERICA!" is appropriate here. =)

And we shouldn't have to have arguments over guns either.... 2nd Amendment is very clear.

That out of the way (and lets not derail this and get into a silly argument about it), I don't think I've ever heard of, or seen these people down here in Georgia, but they certainly sound very silly.

Literally zero problems playing a game based on a PG-13 movie.

PG actually, only RotS and TFA are PG-13.

I know this can be hard for some of my fellow countrymen to grasp but there are in fact people who live in places other then the US, complete with their own laws, constitutions and social norms.

I never said that they didn't. I simply said that to a fellow American, it's very clear what OUR laws state. But don't derail this into a guns debate, that belongs in off-topic if even.

which is why this thread should be in Off-Topic. But hey, who's noticing?

But as X wing is more and more popular and there are some X wing plays at youth centers, some "activists" start arguing that wargames should be 18+ only. This include games like Battlefield, CoD or "violent" MMORPG. Few in numbers, but I am cautious about this.

Video games already have a rating system and games like Battlefield or Call of Duty are listed as being Mature, which means they are technically only supposed to be played by people 17 years of age and older. The reason that system doesn't work is because A) parents use video games as babysitting services and B) kids pester their parents to let them play because their friends are. I worked retail in a store that sold video games and we were required to ask for ID for anyone that wanted to buy a rated M game. Those that wanted to buy it but couldn't would just come back later in the day and have their parents buy it for them.

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Well it is historicaly pretty clear that militarism never lead to anything good. Military as an institution (NOT the people who work for it, those are honorable people for the most part and do deserve respect for a difficult job) can't be trusted and should be viewed very scepticaly by society.

What experiences in your life would lead you to this conclusion? I ask a serious question.

I always saw that line as a jab at the Republican party policies of the time.

I think your vision was a little off...

There are also people who refuse to play the Germans in a WW2 wargame, or Confederates in US Civil War, unable to separate the tactical simulation from any ideology.

*raises hand*

Yup. That's me. Play acting evil for reasons other than a morality tale is... Not something I can do.

There are also a lot of people who will _only_ play as Nazis and Confederates, because that's how they are allowed to express their solidarity with evil.

Ow, eye injury from rolling eyes realllly hard.

I'm one of those "play the badguys" guys. I do so not because I believe in their agenda - I don't believe in the US foreign policy of the 2000s. Still play the ARMA games.

I play it because it's their side of the story, the often untold side. These aren't all card carrying villains, these are guys with stories. Just because the policy was evil does not necessarily mean the individuals fighting for their country are evil. I'm not saying that there is no overlap.

Also, playing as the baddies can be quite liberating, you can twirl your mustache and be evil for the sake of the story.

I do/will play either/every side. I just wanna play.

You guys may think this is funny, but what if it's your kid that ends up ionized and double stressed when some kid, whose parents and village fail him, brings y-wings to school?

You guys may think this is funny, but what if it's your kid that ends up ionized and double stressed when some kid, whose parents and village fail him, brings y-wings to school?

You sir need more likes. /wipestearfromeye.

Not playing the baddies would be a colossal waste of an English accent.

I want to add, as an addition to my play the badguys comment. That I would absolutely watch Das Boot A German version of band of brothers.

My child would never go to a school with Rebel Scum.

Not playing the baddies would be a colossal waste of an English accent.

Also this...

I want to add, as an addition to my play the badguys comment. That I would absolutely watch Das Boot A German version of band of brothers.

Stalingrad from 1993 might suit you.

I'll defo look into it, thanks.

I'd also add in a well crafted sci fi universe or really... in history - everyone is someone else's bad guy.

In fact, good guy and bad guy are concepts that need to be chucked out of the window. They are good for simple storytelling, and great for gaming - giving morally acceptable targets and opponents but for mentality it's too **** simple and unreal. I'm not saying there haven't been some black and white evil regimes - of course there have, but it's not always clear cut.

Objectively speaking the Allies had a worse monster than Hitler among them in Stalin. Does that make the Allies the bad guys?

No.

To the 15th Century English, wasn't Joan of Arc a bad guy? A Heretic.

She was literally Sainted.

Man, I know I've had this rant here before. I think my official forum leitmotiv should be "Sympathy for the Devil..."

*raises hand*

Yup. That's me. Play acting evil for reasons other than a morality tale is... Not something I can do.

Yet you have an Imperial avatar, and the Empire is quite literally a space going analogy for the Nazis.

You don't deal with an enormous refugee crisis and a murderous group of would be conquerors by just accepting the refugees. You deal with it by mobilizing your armies and wipe those reprehensible pieces of excrement from the face of the planet.

America tried that in 2003. We deposed a nasty dictator who had committed 2 acts of genocide. The resulting destabilization and sectarian conflict has led directly to... Today's massive refugee crisis.

Arguably the US stance of "bomb them" just feeds the flames. The idea being "Hey, I'm Ahmed the not terrorist, my 3 sisters just got killed by a stray American bomb, now I am Ahmed the Terrorist".

Oversimplified I know, but you get the gist.

Lol most of the folks I play with are miltary. Or have a miltary connection. And most have and use and like guns. So nope no problem for me.

Cr0aker, on 13 Apr 2016 - 4:27 PM, said:

Getting into the PC police and SJW topics turn into flame wars fast.

I only play good/grey guys. I know that this will never happen, but if the Ebon Hawk came out... I would literally never fly another ship. ESPECIALLY if HK-47 crew came out. He is 100% a bad guy , but man... being able to yell "TAKE THAT MEATBAG" at everyone would just be awesome.

I like playing bad guys.

Nope. Nothing against Soccer or Hunting either. Guns maybe, but not hunting. I think a "'MERICA!" is appropriate here. =)

And we shouldn't have to have arguments over guns either.... 2nd Amendment is very clear.That out of the way (and lets not derail this and get into a silly argument about it), I don't think I've ever heard of, or seen these people down here in Georgia, but they certainly sound very silly.

Literally zero problems playing a game based on a PG-13 movie.

PG actually, only RotS and TFA are PG-13.

Ahhh the good old second amendment. Helping Americans kill each other since 1776. You tell me the reason a person needs military grade weapons in their house and I will call you an idiot.

But to the OP's statement, there will be always people wanting to ban things. Vegans, anti vaxxers etc, it's just the nature of things. Don't let them beat you down! When I was growing up they were trying to link D&D with youth suicide, people will do anything to try and achieve their aims.

I don't want to continue derailing the thread, so this will be my last post on the subject. But I feel the need to clear this up greatly. I never said anything about military grade weapons in peoples houses. You presume to much.

Social Justice Warrior. People like myself and Luke Skywalker. Not sure why it's considered a slur, but there you go.

Mostly because someone labeled an SJW tends to declare things, ideas, or people as socially detrimental without providing adequate evidence. They then argue that evidence is unnecessary because we all should just "listen and believe." They also tend to be insufferable with their moral superiority.

SJWs can also be ironically antagonist with their beliefs while at the same time completely ignoring issues that are demonstrably social problems.

It's basically the left's lunatic fringe to match the right's lunatic fringe.