I kinda think going to a regional makes you a little bit more than casual.

Yeah that does really put you beyond the casual level.

As far as 2 day regionals... They'll either work or they won't. They'll find either fewer people show up to them, because they can't devote a weekend, or they'll find that more people show up because they won't have a 12+ hour day.

I suppose the numbers won't change much one way or the other, but as long as the event draws how ever many people they feel they need to be a success then that's their call.

If that means I don't go to the regionals then that's what it means. Perhaps it means someone else can or will, and they have as much right to see their desires met as I do.

I don't want to see the 2-day regionals change at all. I think it's an amazing sign that the game is growing and stores are willing to dedicate two days to it. I'm more disappointed that now I am unable to go to events where I was able to in the past.

However, I am a little annoyed that the first VA regional was 45 people and these regionals will be 100+ (though, I think that's often the case with gaming in the great-lakes and midwest versus coasts). Hopefully FFG continues to tune their regions year-to-year to try and help level out the attendance a bit.

The VA Regional had the bad luck of falling on the same day as the Campaign for Cancer events. It looks like the Centreville, VA location had 25 players, which probably siphoned off a few players. Probably more from some of the ones with potential traveling players.

The VA Regional had the bad luck of falling on the same day as the Campaign for Cancer events. It looks like the Centreville, VA location had 25 players, which probably siphoned off a few players. Probably more from some of the ones with potential traveling players.

That, and Roanoke is in the middle of effing nowhere, and the WV and Baltimore regionals are WAY more convenient to the DMV and Baltimore.

The biggest worry casuals (LIKE MYSELF) should have is people with cheetos touching their ships.

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I dunno, 2 day events seem much nicer than one 11+ hour day.

The biggest worry casuals (LIKE MYSELF) should have is people with cheetos touching their ships.

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I would much rather have a 2 day event than finish at 3am, then you have to get home... I think finishing that late, after an entire day of X wing is enough to put anyone off playing it for a while.

I would much rather have a 2 day event than finish at 3am, then you have to get home... I think finishing that late, after an entire day of X wing is enough to put anyone off playing it for a while.

It becomes not logistically possible. I got a wife and kids man, got no business being out that late.

Yeah, I'm not at all saying it needs to cater to people like me, but it's just curious how much some people can put into it. I'd like to be competitive, but maybe this just makes clear that it's a level of dedication I'm unable to muster. Maybe just a difference of perspective too, where I want to be the best at something I do, but for me that's very much within the context of having fun with space ships, and it seems like there are a lot of people who have it the other way around. Maybe that's why I always have preferred single-player games on the PC too.

I would much rather have a 2 day event than finish at 3am, then you have to get home... I think finishing that late, after an entire day of X wing is enough to put anyone off playing it for a while.

It becomes not logistically possible. I got a wife and kids man, got no business being out that late. But well done getting ID back into another thread.

I totally agree, people who are for the late finishes probably do not have outside influences to consider.

Yeah, I'm not at all saying it needs to cater to people like me, but it's just curious how much some people can put into it. I'd like to be competitive, but maybe this just makes clear that it's a level of dedication I'm unable to muster. Maybe just a difference of perspective too, where I want to be the best at something I do, but for me that's very much within the context of having fun with space ships, and it seems like there are a lot of people who have it the other way around. Maybe that's why I always have preferred single-player games on the PC too.

While I fully understand that this is a generalization: but X-Wing's success with ALL types of players is because of its rules system. If people just wanted a Star Wars space-battle game that they could use as some casual, random, simulation then WotC Starship Battles would be more popular, but the difference in success between the two just shows that the rules do matter. So, expanding on that, following those rules matter too. I think that many 'competitive' players are unfairly pinned as being mean, only because they want to follow the rules, and expectations, set forth by the game system. There are extreme corner-situations where rules are abused, but for most games that's never an issue.

If we really would have fun just making laser noises and smashing TIE Fighters into X-Wings we could play WotC's Starship Battles, but that went nowhere fast because the rules were lazy and there was zero available strategy. X-Wing's success is in its inherent fairness: so there are people that enjoy it for the game, as well.

I would much rather have a 2 day event than finish at 3am, then you have to get home... I think finishing that late, after an entire day of X wing is enough to put anyone off playing it for a while.

It becomes not logistically possible. I got a wife and kids man, got no business being out that late. But well done getting ID back into another thread.

I totally agree, people who are for the late finishes probably do not have outside influences to consider.

I think that's up for debate: which is worse for the family-man? 2-day events or late finishes?

For me: my wife would prefer the late finish on a single day.

Better than finishing early I suppose...

I think one can be a "casual" gamer and still want to attend a Regional event. If a Regional event is large enough to require 2 days, most casual gamer (like myself) likely realize that the field of play is going to be extremely competitive and our chances of even making it to day 2 are slim. As such, an event being one or two days really is immaterial to us since we know we'll likely only need to be there one day.

Honestly, I feel proximity and prize distribution have a greater impact on a casual gamer's attendance to this type of event than anything else. I live in Normal, IL and was considering making the trip to the Chicago Regional event but to make the trip, play all day and possibly not even have the chance to go home with a single card has soured the possibility of making the day trip.

If it was a 30 minute drive? I'd probably go and play even if I knew there was a possibility of walking away without a Hera.

I would much rather have a 2 day event than finish at 3am, then you have to get home... I think finishing that late, after an entire day of X wing is enough to put anyone off playing it for a while.

It becomes not logistically possible. I got a wife and kids man, got no business being out that late. But well done getting ID back into another thread.

I totally agree, people who are for the late finishes probably do not have outside influences to consider.

I think that's up for debate: which is worse for the family-man? 2-day events or late finishes?

For me: my wife would prefer the late finish on a single day.

I am a family man, if I go to a couple of tournaments a year, not every 2 weeks or month, she is all cool with a bit of me time. Always reciprocated of course. I live an hour away from the biggest city where tournaments are held, finishing at 0300, getting home by 0430, I think that is just dangerous, especially as you are probably drained from wishing ill on your dice and why do they refuse to help you.

I would much rather have a 2 day event than finish at 3am, then you have to get home... I think finishing that late, after an entire day of X wing is enough to put anyone off playing it for a while.

It becomes not logistically possible. I got a wife and kids man, got no business being out that late. But well done getting ID back into another thread.

I totally agree, people who are for the late finishes probably do not have outside influences to consider.

I think that's up for debate: which is worse for the family-man? 2-day events or late finishes?

For me: my wife would prefer the late finish on a single day.

I am a family man, if I go to a couple of tournaments a year, not every 2 weeks or month, she is all cool with a bit of me time. Always reciprocated of course. I live an hour away from the biggest city where tournaments are held, finishing at 0300, getting home by 0430, I think that is just dangerous, especially as you are probably drained from wishing ill on your dice and why do they refuse to help you.

Well, if you did finish at 0300 the next morning - you're probably not cursing dice since you or someone close to you (eg: drove with) played until the finals.

When you plan for a two day tournament, you have planned for a two day tournament with your spouse and kids. When you plan for a single day tournament and get back at 4 AM and then had made plans to DO things at 8/9/10 am that same day and you are dead tired the whole time... that is where my family might have a problem. So I guess it is just a matter of managing expectations.

I can completely understand that a 2 day tournament is a problem for a lot of people. Having 2 small kids myself I think I would have a hard time convincing my wife that she has to take care of the kids the whole weekend so

I can play a game. My problem is quite the opposite though. I can't even find a tournament at any level without having to travel by plane or drive 8+ hours. Different locations - different problems.

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Why is that a concern for you, you will not make the cut on day one anyway as casual player? ;-)

So you can plan on going home after the day just fine. And if you are really a casual, you are fine with going home after day one even if you made the cut. You can now at least leave a note that you ID all following games ;-)

And way to bring it back to that especially when it wouldn't work very well. It may be sarcasm and it is also possible you could ID the last round(s) of Swiss and make a cut but that may not get you home any earlier.

I'm not sure what everyone considers "local" but trying to travel to a 2-day event when the event is the only reason to go is highly burdensome. There are times it may work but there are others where changing the tournament structure would probably make a good bit more sense.

What do people consider the maximum number of games one person should be expected to play during a day? If you figure 1.5 hours/round on average a 12 hour day is only 8 matches. How many other sporting events would run for that length of time?

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Why is that a concern for you, you will not make the cut on day one anyway as casual player? ;-)

So you can plan on going home after the day just fine. And if you are really a casual, you are fine with going home after day one even if you made the cut. You can now at least leave a note that you ID all following games ;-)

And way to bring it back to that especially when it wouldn't work very well. It may be sarcasm and it is also possible you could ID the last round(s) of Swiss and make a cut but that may not get you home any earlier.

I'm not sure what everyone considers "local" but trying to travel to a 2-day event when the event is the only reason to go is highly burdensome. There are times it may work but there are others where changing the tournament structure would probably make a good bit more sense.

What do people consider the maximum number of games one person should be expected to play during a day? If you figure 1.5 hours/round on average a 12 hour day is only 8 matches. How many other sporting events would run for that length of time?

I think the right solution for a regionals-like event is to just up the number of byes awarded (top4 or top8) and don't have the single-elim portion at the end. Many store champs were ran without a cut to the top players and I think most liked the shorter/smaller events.